Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

I had a friend bring 4 Porsche and 2 merc s 500s to Perpignan by low loader. Turned out one of Mercs had been cleaning clocked and had actually covered over 500,000 km He lost money on the merc, but made plenty on rest.

Now why would a friend bring six cars on a low loader, was this at night?
Too much loose change in his pocket no doubt.

So was it a "friend" who "slipped" you a cheap car?
All above board no doubt, but still taking advantage of some Greek owner who was himself dodging Tax.
Even if you bought it through a dealership.

Lets face it you don't have much in common with some Working class man or woman who are hoping for a better life after Brexit do you?

No wonder Brexit appeals to you, lots of "interesting" financial opportunities to be had there if you don't ask awkward questions.

 

[Zlatan]

Now why would a friend bring six cars on a low loader, was this at night?
Too much loose change in his pocket no doubt.

So was it a "friend" who "slipped" you a cheap car?
All above board no doubt, but still taking advantage of some Greek owner who was himself dodging Tax.
Even if you bought it through a dealership.

Lets face it you don't have much in common with some Working class man or woman who are hoping for a better life after Brexit do you?

No wonder Brexit appeals to you, lots of "interesting" financial opportunities to be had there if you don't ask awkward questions.

OG
You are simply proving just how naive and insular you actually are here. The whole point of EU is free trade throughout region. I bought a car that had been repossessed in Greece... Big deal.
I was simply confirming point made by Kudos.
Its how
finances work. Buy in an area of low price , move and sell at a place commanding an higher price. Read between the lines OG...you normally do.

And BTW moving cars is normally done on low loading car transporters!! What is your problem..??
How would you suggest moving 6 cars from Germany to Northern Spain /Sourhern France...
The chap moving cars to Japan used to roll up with shipping containers..he could get 4 Westfields in one.. I sold him 4 to do so....but by all means don't believe it..It used to be a business I ran..building Westfields/ MKs/ Caterhams...I used to race them as well.....when my sight was good enough for a racing license..

And there were no dodgy deals anywhere, all absolutely legal and above board...

And yes maybe I don't have that much in common with folk you portray and pretend to represent..but then again neither do many more on here...but so what..

 

[boyabouttown]

Why are we risking everything to merely at best hold our own when it is obvious we need to radically improve our situation, not risk making it worse? We are like a compulsive gambler who hopes somehow to win "big" and recoup his losses despite the odds, on one last throw of the dice.

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the bit ' it is obvious we need to radically improve our situation' sums up my decision to vote leave, rather than the slow decline of staying in.

 

[Kudoscycles]

What is surprising is that the UK economy is currently doing ok. Greece,Italy and Spain are bankrupt Euro countries and yet the Euro is holding up well against the £.
It must place a lot of pressure on Germany to hold up the rest of the EU.
KudosDave

 

[tillson]

For goodness sake Zlatan, I've posted nothing of the sort, not mentioned UK at all. so please stop posting this nonsense.

I posted very clearly my disapproval of the Greek behaviour, which means I also criticise those who lent to them for also being irresponsible.

I did post that members like Greece needed to be dealt with, but that didn't mean giving or lending money, quite the opposite. The best treatment is what they are now suffering, hardship to teach them a lesson in how to behave.
.

flecc, I am friendly with a Greek family having known them for years and I am in regular contact with them. One, the wife is a school teacher and she has always maintained that she will be retired and have a state pension before she is 45. It is taken for granted that some form of medical retirement will be available before the 45 th birthday. She retired at 42 with a neck injury and a full state pension. The same year she represented Greece in the women's veteran shot-put world championships. This is since the EU bailout.

The Greeks are so used to this culture that they view it as an entitlement. They show absolutely no embarrassment and talk openly and freely about how to "work the system". It has gone on for so long.

This is why the EU is doomed. It's a nice idea, but cultures, practices and systems are so diverse and so incompatible with each other that they will never gel.

I can't see why Greece, Germany, the U.K., Italy and all the other nations can't just do there own thing. Why not let the Greek people carry on as I describe if they want to? Why do we need this political and monetary union? Why can't we just all agree to be good neighbours and to look out for each other under some basic framework agreements?

The EU as it stands is bad news and heading in a direction that the majority of EU citizens don't like. If it doesn't listen and adapt it will die.

 

[oldtom]

Should this be available here too?


Tom

 

[flecc]

Why not let the Greek people carry on as I describe if they want to? Why do we need this political and monetary union? Why can't we just all agree to be good neighbours and to look out for each other under some basic framework agreements?

I know well how the Greeks abuse the system at every level of their society, which is why I blame them for their ills.

But they have the choice, if they don't like the EU systems, they can leave and operate as they did before, trading with the European countries and others as good neighbours. The trouble is that they probably want it both ways, all the benefits without any costs.

In a complex society with modern products and dangers there has to be common standards, so a trading group has to have a strong political dimension. The necessity of mutual defence also requires a common politcal control, so only having a trading understanding isn't sufficient

A further trouble with the simple trading partnership that you want is its weakness, breakable in an instant. The European nations have always traded, superficially as good neighbours, but that hasn't stopped them regularly breaking out into wars.

The ever growing intensity of those wars due to technical advances led to the horrors of WW2, which gave birth to the dream of a United Europe as the only permanent solution. Hence the Treaty of Rome which started the whole process.

It's still the best objective, but is bound to suffer from those who want to cheat or fail to co-operate on the way. They are just hiccups and irrelevant on the way to the goal. That can be reached in comparative comfort by those who wish to work and co-operate as many countries have shown. But the willfully dishonest, the corrupt and the workshy will suffer. I have no sympathy for them and see no reason why their misbehaviour should mean the union which many others enjoy should end.
.

 

[flecc]

This is why the EU is doomed. It's a nice idea, but cultures, practices and systems are so diverse and so incompatible with each other that they will never gel.

So how is it that all those peoples and more have made the USA the most successful nation on earth?

That country is the proof that a United Europe could work well if we want it to.
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[tillson]

So how is it that all those peoples and more have made the USA the most successful nation on earth?

That country is the proof that a United Europe could work well if we want it to.
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I think the USA is a different entity. They are one country, one culture with little history, one language. Europe has centuries of diversity and individual history.

I like the different cultures across Europe and the diversity of the people. The ideology of the EU to turn European countries it into a bland grey uniform mass isn't what I want t see. It has echoes of Pol Pot and the year zero. But that probably appeals to some of the communists on here.

 

[mike killay]

Should this be available here too?


View attachment 17700 Tom

As long as we also have a 'punch the commie' one.

 

[oldgroaner]

the bit ' it is obvious we need to radically improve our situation' sums up my decision to vote leave, rather than the slow decline of staying in.

What isn't obvious is why you trust the very people who got you into this situation to suddenly change their ways and work for, instead of against you?
This slow decline was not caused by the EU, but by Government policies, and now they are free to take you to the cleaners aren't they?
What exactly are you expecting them to do for your benefit?

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[oldgroaner]

OG
You are simply proving just how naive and insular you actually are here. The whole point of EU is free trade throughout region. I bought a car that had been repossessed in Greece... Big deal.
I was simply confirming point made by Kudos.
Its how
finances work. Buy in an area of low price , move and sell at a place commanding an higher price. Read between the lines OG...you normally do.

And BTW moving cars is normally done on low loading car transporters!! What is your problem..??
How would you suggest moving 6 cars from Germany to Northern Spain /Sourhern France...
The chap moving cars to Japan used to roll up with shipping containers..he could get 4 Westfields in one.. I sold him 4 to do so....but by all means don't believe it..It used to be a business I ran..building Westfields/ MKs/ Caterhams...I used to race them as well.....when my sight was good enough for a racing license..

And there were no dodgy deals anywhere, all absolutely legal and above board...

And yes maybe I don't have that much in common with folk you portray and pretend to represent..but then again neither do many more on here...but so what..

No, simply pointing out that there are always some around ready to take advantage of other's who are less fortunate, then try to justify themselves, as if this is fair game, never give a sucker an even break, eh?
Your interest in Brexit is just for Personal benefit and you really don't care about the general public at all, do you?
Money, money, money, you hope it will be a nice little earner.
After all, that really is all you talk about.

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[oldgroaner]

I think the USA is a different entity. They are one country, one culture with little history, one language. Europe has centuries of diversity and individual history.

Would that be the USA that was originally Seven different colonies that spoke Five different languages, and then accepted immigrants from every nation on the planet?
And for your information Germany has a very short History as a nation, hasn't it?
The next bit is classic tillson comedy
"The ideology of the EU to turn European countries it into a bland grey uniform mass isn't what I want t see. It has echoes of Pol Pot and the year zero. But that probably appeals to some of the communists on here."
Why didn't that happen in America?
So you would rather have the Torys turn the people of this country into a bland grey uniform mass would you, because that is exactly what they intend.
Why do you want that to happen, is it Sadism or Masochism, or a bit of both?
And by the way who are the communists you refer to?

 

[tillson]

Would that be the USA that was originally Seven different colonies that spoke Five different languages, and then accepted immigrants from every nation on the planet?
And for your information Germany has a very short History as a nation, hasn't it?
The next bit is classic tillson comedy
"The ideology of the EU to turn European countries it into a bland grey uniform mass isn't what I want t see. It has echoes of Pol Pot and the year zero. But that probably appeals to some of the communists on here."
Why didn't that happen in America?
So you would rather have the Torys turn the people of this country into a bland grey uniform mass would you, because that is exactly what they intend.
Why do you want that to happen, is it Sadism or Masochism, or a bit of both?
And by the way who are the communists you refer to?

The USA was / is a totally different situation.

Obviously I don't see the situation with regard to the Tory's as you do. I don't particularly like them, but I don't think their intentions are as you suggest.

 

[oldgroaner]

The USA was / is a totally different situation.

Obviously I don't see the situation with regard to the Tory's as you do. I don't particularly like them, but I don't think their intentions are as you suggest.

Oh tillson, you are wiser than that! since when have you had any respect for Theresa May , who after all, whichever way you look at it is a turncoat?

 

[oldgroaner]

As long as we also have a 'punch the commie' one.

Why would you want to "punch the commie" when the Chinese are people you will end up having to make a trading agreement with if you want that pathetic Brexit dream to survive?
Brexit voters really don't comprehend the position they have got themselves into, do they?

 

[anotherkiwi]

I think the USA is a different entity. They are one country, one culture with little history, one language...

They aren't quite there yet but I think the new president is working on it...

 

[Zlatan]

No, simply pointing out that there are always some around ready to take advantage of other's who are less fortunate, then try to justify themselves, as if this is fair game, never give a sucker an even break, eh?
Your interest in Brexit is just for Personal benefit and you really don't care about the general public at all, do you?
Money, money, money, you hope it will be a nice little earner.
After all, that really is all you talk about.

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So buying financially repossessed cars is a crime against underpriviliged Greeks? I suppose throwing them in sea would be a better idea? Then they are even more in debt.
You really are a fool sometimes OG. You hold EU up as a shining example then when one is given of the system actually helping you mock it.
And BTW cant remember exact figures but I believe 10% of all cars have at sometime been involved in finacial problems. Its a good chance you own one.

On the USA
Europhiles now holding an aggressive, divisive, poverty laden, crime ridden, hypocritical culture as an ideal for eu to strive for.
Have you folk been to Detroit ? The good old USA is in a worse mess than us.

Questions
OG...What system would you introduce for folk who default on payments but carry on driving around in £50k cars ?

Flecc
Would you invest your pension pot in Greece ?
( and don't waffle like last time, its yes or no !)

 

[oldgroaner]

Oh tillson, you are wiser than that! since when have you had any respect for Theresa May , who after all, whichever way you look at it is a turncoat?

Three disagree? Halleluya!
What do you find to disagree about? are you denying she was all for Remain and now is all for Leave?
How on earth do you deny that?

 

[Zlatan]

Three disagree? Halleluya!
What do you find to disagree about? are you denying she was all for Remain and now is all for Leave?
How on earth do you deny that?

Your imaginary friend will help out OG..

BTW you didn't answer question or withdraw insult !