Brexit, for once some facts.
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Trump could make our little concerns about the outcome of Brexit academic!
Political appointment is built into their justice system at every level, from local police chiefs to the very top, as in this instance.
As with their political positions, judicial policies can be bought there.
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I stand corrected I should have said the Blair government. A different beast altogether.
As in "I wanted a Cowboy Outfit
So I bought the US of A?"
And that has problems built in, since Russia and China are on very friendly terms these days, and UK - China relations are good.
It'll be difficult for Trump to act firmly against China while keeping on the right side of Russia.
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We already have a small version of it.Wouldn't you like a nice wide east to west Antonine ditch and charge every ship that wants to sail through it?
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http://www.waterwayroutes.co.uk/wr/routes-fac-route.html#SID=169
One to send your MP if you feel the need:
Dear ******************
I am your constituent – my address is ****************************
I ask you to please sign amendment NC99 for Parliamentary approval of the final terms of withdrawal from the EU.
This will ensure Parliament has full control of the Brexit process and provide a way of respecting the people’s will; not only now, but also in two years time when the terms of exit are clearer.
Please also sign NC54 (‘Negotiating timeframe’). This is a fall back option which will give Parliament room to reject the exit terms if they are unacceptable.
I believe that MPs need to do what they can to make sure we get a good deal that protects the national interest, UK jobs and living standards – and that can only occur if Parliament has the final say at every stage. After all, only 33% of voters support exit ‘whatever the terms’ according to a recent poll.
We don’t know what will happen or what we will be offered and this makes it vital that Parliament can scrutinise the process and make whatever decisions it feels appropriate at the time.
I would love to know your thoughts on these amendments.
Yours sincerely,
Dear ******************
I am your constituent – my address is ****************************
I ask you to please sign amendment NC99 for Parliamentary approval of the final terms of withdrawal from the EU.
This will ensure Parliament has full control of the Brexit process and provide a way of respecting the people’s will; not only now, but also in two years time when the terms of exit are clearer.
Please also sign NC54 (‘Negotiating timeframe’). This is a fall back option which will give Parliament room to reject the exit terms if they are unacceptable.
I believe that MPs need to do what they can to make sure we get a good deal that protects the national interest, UK jobs and living standards – and that can only occur if Parliament has the final say at every stage. After all, only 33% of voters support exit ‘whatever the terms’ according to a recent poll.
We don’t know what will happen or what we will be offered and this makes it vital that Parliament can scrutinise the process and make whatever decisions it feels appropriate at the time.
I would love to know your thoughts on these amendments.
Yours sincerely,
I do not doubt that this is well meaning, but as I have previously stated and replicated the actual wording of article 50 2 , once the UK sends their letter they basically lose control of the process. Within the two year framework the EU team and the UK teams negotiate and in the case of the EU they are required to bring the final agreement to the EU parliment. This body can either accept or reject it. The good news for the UK is that this is a qualified majority vote not an unanamous vote, so might be easier to get agreement. If they reject it then the UK leaves with nothing. It can then seek to have standard WTO terms. If it wants to extend negotiations beyond the two years timeframe they need to have agreement by all 26.
So basically the petition serves no purpose.
... Think through the scenarios
1. The EU negotiating team provides very favourable terms and the UK parliament accepts them and the EU parliament accepts them ... Great.
2. The EU team provides very favourable terms and the UK parliament rejects them .... WTO rules.
3 the EU team provides stringent terms, and the UK. Parliament accepts them . Better than WTO rules
4 the EU provides stringent terms and the UK parliament rejects them then WTO rules apply
5 the UK has a change of heart and seeks to recind the letter of withdrawal,. This is not considered under article 50 but if the 26 remaining members agreed, it might be. Expedited
There is only one good deal that "protects the national interest"
And we are about to throw it away.
So it really doesn't matter what deal they come up with, does it?
Consider this: even under the existing circumstances
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jan/25/poverty-in-the-uk-jeopardising-childrens-health-warns-landmark-report
And this 13.5 million in poverty
https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/monitoring-poverty-and-social-exclusion-2016?gclid=Cj0KEQiAiMHEBRC034nx2ImB1J0BEiQA-r7ctuA7sMrxJMYHY3gOeC3Gx2bzbPvDd7THzt1vb7V0ShMaAnCS8P8HAQ
Explain in simple terms how entering into a deal that NO ONE, repeat NO ONE can say with any certainty whatever will vastly improve the economy.
Which is what the Brexit voters Voted for remember, to get rid of these injustices, is going to address the needs of the people?
How is it going to create new jobs, and why would we need them when we are told that there is already full employment?
Where are the nurses going to come from when recruitment has fallen to ONE TENTH since the Brexit vote?
There isn't a snowflake in Hell's chance of Brexit achieving other than at best a slight improvement in the economy when the public are expecting miracles is there?
Even in the EU we are in a dangerous decline, and now we are about to
"Dance with the Devil in the Pale Moonlight" as the Joker would say.
Let the dance begin, but it will cause mayhem sooner or later, because no one has the guts to say
"Not in my name!"
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the EU should drop the idea that a deal with the UK should leave the UK worse off than current membership.
That's an idiotic ideology.
It should do the exact opposite, find the best deal for both sides. Let the UK continue to pay in and participate in as many programs as possible.
What wishful thinking!
That would really go down well with the other 27 member states who would instantly demand the same deal themselves.
Utter nonsense!
"If wishes were fishes all men would dine!" comes to mind.
Whatever prompted so optimistic and unworldly view to cross your mind?
He has a point there! but that was true when TM took over here so the competition for chief loony is now a three horse race.food for thought.
Mr Trump is quickly becoming the EU's biggest problem.
Peter Navarro (Trump's head of trade) shows how the USA will negotiate: give 30-day notice to pull out of previous FTAs, give out list of new demands, then negotiate.
Don't jump to conclusion that they are crazy. This is the justification of their stance, from the OECD.
The Euro is first in his firing line. GBP will be next, then the Yen and the Canadian dollar.
Peter Navarro (Trump's head of trade) shows how the USA will negotiate: give 30-day notice to pull out of previous FTAs, give out list of new demands, then negotiate.
Don't jump to conclusion that they are crazy. This is the justification of their stance, from the OECD.
The Euro is first in his firing line. GBP will be next, then the Yen and the Canadian dollar.
The thing that will baffle historians in the future is how a set of proven idiots beguiled an unsuspecting public to vote against the EU with false promises, and the Public responded, only then to rally behind the same set of fakers who wanted to remain in the EU, who now professed a Fervour for leaving as if it had always been their intention.
And even more fantastic, on the basis of promises this sordid bunch have made of conversion from the bad guys who have run down the economy and brought only one new growth industry to the nation.
Food Banks.
They have had an Epiphany" the right wing cry, and will bring prosperity and joy to the public (meanwhile still employing their same old repressive policies with increased vigour.)
We are entering a new phase of the nations history, a slow motion audience participation disaster movie.
The fall of the Westminster Parliamentary System .
No doubt like the Terminator films, there will be sequels too.
The good news? no charge for the ticket, payment like Taxation will be extracted as we go.
Live now, as you will pay more later.
And even more fantastic, on the basis of promises this sordid bunch have made of conversion from the bad guys who have run down the economy and brought only one new growth industry to the nation.
Food Banks.
They have had an Epiphany" the right wing cry, and will bring prosperity and joy to the public (meanwhile still employing their same old repressive policies with increased vigour.)
We are entering a new phase of the nations history, a slow motion audience participation disaster movie.
The fall of the Westminster Parliamentary System .
No doubt like the Terminator films, there will be sequels too.
The good news? no charge for the ticket, payment like Taxation will be extracted as we go.
Live now, as you will pay more later.
Not crazy, DangerousMr Trump is quickly becoming the EU's biggest problem.
Peter Navarro (Trump's head of trade) shows how the USA will negotiate: give 30-day notice to pull out of previous FTAs, give out list of new demands, then negotiate.
Don't jump to conclusion that they are crazy. This is the justification of their stance, from the OECD.
The Euro is first in his firing line. GBP will be next, then the Yen and the Canadian dollar.
don't think so. Only 12 (including UK) of the 28 are net contributors. 11 at most might want to join the UK as associate EU members if the EU want to reform that way. The Netherlands and France are the two most obvious:
Net contributors:
I don't know how many of the posters here follow the French elections. Fallon, the republican candidate, a bit more right wing than Mrs May, may be forced to pull out if payments to his wife comes under scrutiny by the French judiciaire. That will practically make Le Pen favourite to be the next French President. Le Pen wants to keep the Euro for the moment but wants to follow brexit.
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