Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

If you look back at my posts you will find that I have said in the past that I run a business in addition to my salaried employment. Which I still do.

My salaried employment is aircrew and my business concerns aircraft maintenance and airworthiness services. Before flying, I worked in aero engine development for Rolls Royce. At my own expense I became licence aircraft engineer.

Well done you! I am genuinely impressed, but for the life of me i can't see what Brexit offers someone in your situation, as it shouldn't make much difference should it?

The workers at the bottom of the heap are not in such a secure situation with so many advantages, nor even necessarily have the ability to discern clearly the ones they have.

Care to enlighten us on the matter?
Tell us the one thing you have studiously avoided all along to state: what is
( as nearly guaranteed as you can get it,) the Advantage to EVERYONE of Brexit

ps: after your revelations of the nature of your employment the Buzz Lightyear reference seems almost psychic : "To infinity and beyond!" much more of a ring to it than "The goodness will flow"
"Brexit! to infinity and Beyond!" Yes it sings!

 

[Zlatan]

Was involved in a strange and worrying incident today.
Was in a rush getting into town and took a short cut through a passage. In passage were a group of young ,16 ish,Asian lads blocking my exit. They were sheltering out of rain. I walked upto them, said " hiya" . A couple returned greeting and they made room for me to pass. No issues whatsoever. They were fine, perhaps congregating where they shouldn't but no problem . Two of them even managed a smile, which is incredible for any 16 year olds.
About 10 yards after leaving a well dressed chap about my age tapped me in shoulder and said..
" had I been 20 years younger they,d have had some fist"
I asked " pardon" . He replied
" I was following you, folk like that need sorting"

I told home they were fine and that perhaps we all need to be rather more tolerant.
What's going in with people at momenf ???
Has brexit emboldened some folk or were they so aggrieved already..
The incident has made me question my own beliefs.

We all need to have a good look at ourselves??

Not sure what point of post is but food for thought.???

 

[gray198]

No. Personal debt created by overindulgence has been climbing for over a decade. These people are idiots and the day of reckoning is approaching whether we stay in or leave the EU.

Some debt is as a result of misfortune or circumstances beyond their control. These people need a leg up, regardless of whether we remain in or leave the EU.

Sounds like the last Labour government???

 

[Kudoscycles]

No need to elaborate. Many decades ago our service engineers had to go to a machine in a large biscuit factory with huge numbers of women in the area. They were all terrified of getting that call out, knowing how they would be jumped on at arrival.
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Yeh,walking through the trim shop at Ford Dagenham was an experience,I didnt know women were that crude....I used to walk an extra 100 yds just to avoid walking through that shop to the canteen.
It was several years before I truly understood what they were intending doing to a 20 year old student
KudosDave

 

[oldgroaner]

Sounds like the last Labour government???

the last labour Government was in 1945, didn't you know that? or is that NOT the one you meant?

 

[flecc]

Was involved in a strange and worrying incident today.
Was in a rush getting into town and took a short cut through a passage. In passage were a group of young ,16 ish,Asian lads blocking my exit. They were sheltering out of rain. I walked upto them, said " hiya" . A couple returned greeting and they made room for me to pass. No issues whatsoever. They were fine, perhaps congregating where they shouldn't but no problem . Two of them even managed a smile, which is incredible for any 16 year olds.
About 10 yards after leaving a well dressed chap about my age tapped me in shoulder and said..
" had I been 20 years younger they,d have had some fist"
I asked " pardon" . He replied
" I was following you, folk like that need sorting"

I told home they were fine and that perhaps we all need to be rather more tolerant.
What's going in with people at momenf ???
Has brexit emboldened some folk or were they so aggrieved already..
The incident has made me question my own beliefs.

We all need to have a good look at ourselves??

Not sure what point of post is but food for thought.???

It's really sad that such bigoted attitudes still persist, and I'm sorry you had to put up with that unpleasant experience. Many have had such attitudes for years so it can be unconnected with Brexit. It may have reinforced the bigotry and racism in some but I doubt it initiated it.
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[oldgroaner]

Was involved in a strange and worrying incident today.
Was in a rush getting into town and took a short cut through a passage. In passage were a group of young ,16 ish,Asian lads blocking my exit. They were sheltering out of rain. I walked upto them, said " hiya" . A couple returned greeting and they made room for me to pass. No issues whatsoever. They were fine, perhaps congregating where they shouldn't but no problem . Two of them even managed a smile, which is incredible for any 16 year olds.
About 10 yards after leaving a well dressed chap about my age tapped me in shoulder and said..
" had I been 20 years younger they,d have had some fist"
I asked " pardon" . He replied
" I was following you, folk like that need sorting"

I told home they were fine and that perhaps we all need to be rather more tolerant.
What's going in with people at momenf ???
Has brexit emboldened some folk or were they so aggrieved already..
The incident has made me question my own beliefs.

We all need to have a good look at ourselves??

Not sure what point of post is but food for thought.???

Cameron Farage, Gove and Boris's folly has destabilised the mood of far too many people, and inflamed long standing tensions, not merely between races, but even created new ones within factions of the so called "native" or "resident" population.

And Brexit will only increase the level of tension.
it is inevitable and there is no way to head it off.

Too many promises have been made to members of the public who are expecting better times, and unless they are honoured. trouble will follow.

Remain voters are not the ones that should be feared, those who agitated for this change did so not merely as a protest but also as a demand for better things will prove to be the source of unrest.
They will not accept being thwarted as they see it AGAIN.

 

[oldgroaner]

It's really sad that such bigoted attitudes still persist, and I'm sorry you had to put up with that unpleasant experience. Many have had such attitudes for years so it can be unconnected with Brexit. It may have reinforced the bigotry and racism in some but I doubt it initiated it.
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What you say is true, but Brexit has legitimised extreme attitudes as the press seems to approve them.

 

[flecc]

What you say is true, but Brexit has legitimised extreme attitudes as the press seems to approve them.

The press are a menace. They claim to speak for the truth but really only concern themselves with populism for circulation's sake.

The long term decline in circulations and competition from TV and the internet has intensified that attitude, it being a fight for survival and job preservation.
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[Danidl]

I think we will take the Antonine wall,there are some nice to do part of the job,we could tell the SNP thats its all down to boundary changes and we are going to give them Northern Ireland in exchange.
Actually that solves a lot of problems,Scotland can join a united Ireland and stay part of the EU.
Sturgeon will be happy.
I am wasted at this selling job,I wanted to study Geography at Uni but got talked into engineering.
KudosDave

If you read my very early posts on this subject, I had suggested this remedy a long time ago.

 

[Jimod]

I think we will take the Antonine wall,
KudosDave

I live at the Antonine wall. You're NOT getting it. Now, rebuilding Hadrian's wall might be a goer. I know a few East European building type chaps who will give you a nice price.

 

[flecc]

I live at the Antonine wall. You're NOT getting it. Now, rebuilding Hadrian's wall might be a goer. I know a few East European building type chaps who will give you a nice price.

Wouldn't you like a nice wide east to west Antonine ditch and charge every ship that wants to sail through it?
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[Kudoscycles]

I live at the Antonine wall. You're NOT getting it. Now, rebuilding Hadrian's wall might be a goer. I know a few East European building type chaps who will give you a nice price.

Jim,often worried that something suggested in jest is taken up by others as a serious proposal,hehe.
Dave

 

[Kudoscycles]

Ken Clarkes amusing but realistic speech today in parliament suggesting that Eurosceptics are living in an Alice in Wonderland world.
Redwood's speech was totally about the right wing gaining power in the house,but it never mentioned people or the economy,he like May,Bone and Rees-Mogg don't care about people as long as they get their power back,that is what all this Brexit is about to them.
But to the people it is about the economy and immigration,voting rights in the house are of minor importance.
KudosDave

 

[Woosh]

But to the people it is about the economy and immigration,voting rights in the house are of minor importance.
KudosDave

agreed. Both sides, brexiters and remainers have to prove their points of view.
The economy will be the decider.
Hopefully in time for the 2020 and 2025 elections.

 

[Kudoscycles]

Trump has just sacked the senior Attorney General and replace her with a Trump friendly AG,the lady is being described like a traitor,she only stated what she believed.
That would be like Theresa May replacing judges in the Supreme Court just because they wouldn't vote her way.
Doesn't say much for the impartiality of the US legal system.
KudosDafe

 

[oldgroaner]

agreed. Both sides, brexiters and remainers have to prove their points of view.
The economy will be the decider.
Hopefully in time for the 2020 and 2025 elections.

The decider will be more a case of how much resentment about broken promises builds up in the voters.
The economy could well be just fine, but if it doesn't reach down to the people at the bottom there will be hell to pay for this gamble and those who championed it.
And quite frankly I don't think there is even the remotest chance of a result that will satisfy them, and that is dangerous in the extreme.
They have given the Government the chance to change things for the better FOR THEM and they had better deliver.
Yet we all know they have no intention whatever of doing that, have they?

 

[Kudoscycles]

If we are not careful we will be disturbing the world order with dangerous fractures. Trump is pro Russia,pro UK but very anti China and the EU.
China could be a real problem,they need world trade to keep their growth motoring,Trump is determined to kill of China-US trade.....don't forget WW2 started because the US sanctioned oil supplies to the Japanese,the Japanese responded attacking Pearl Harbour.
Am concerned that May and Co are forcing us to choose between the EU and Trump,prior to Trump and Brexit we seemed to get on well with both the EU and the USA,shame.
KudosDave

 

[Jimod]

Trump has just sacked the senior Attorney General and replace her with a Trump friendly AG,the lady is being described like a traitor,she only stated what she believed.
That would be like Theresa May replacing judges in the Supreme Court just because they wouldn't vote her way.
Doesn't say much for the impartiality of the US legal system.
KudosDafe

He's actually gone from just being a buffoon to being dangerous.

 

[oldgroaner]

Trump has just sacked the senior Attorney General and replace her with a Trump friendly AG,the lady is being described like a traitor,she only stated what she believed.
That would be like Theresa May replacing judges in the Supreme Court just because they wouldn't vote her way.
Doesn't say much for the impartiality of the US legal system.
KudosDafe

But it tells anyone capable of understanding Human Nature what Trump really is, and it isn't pretty.