Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

OG,

Are there facts supporting the idea that brexit will benefit the tories?

Facts? the only one that matters is a Firmer grip on power. they are certain to have that
What can you do with unrivalled powers presented to the Public as essential in this time of change when the government has to act swiftly with broad sweeping strokes?
And with power come great opportunities to exploit

Ban strikes to benefit businesses (already mooted)
How about being able to sell off the NHS(already mooted)
Impose harsh conditions on workers (in the National Interest)(already mooted)
Reduce benefits (already mooted)
Reduce Farming environmental standards to those of India to benefit the chemical companies and those who want GM products.(already mooted)
Reduce business Tax and put the burden on the public instead(already mooted)
Turn the country into a money laundering market.(already mooted)

And those are just a few of the things they are thinking about right now

Hell's teeth the opportunities for the Tory Mafia are immense!
It will be a mugging on a galactic scale, and best of all the victims have voted for it, so they can't complain.

Of course we can depend on the fact that no palms will be greased in sealing the trade deals that appear like magic

 

[oldgroaner]

but our government will not be able to avoid scrutiny.

Then how do you explain while all this hoo ha has been going on, they have allowed huge numbers of non-EU immigrants into the country for many years, made promises to reduce them and not done so?
They had every power they needed to do so, didn't they?
How have they evaded scrutiny?
There isn't any effective scrutiny is there, and who is going to provide it?

The way they have avoided blame for their lousy policies, is they have blamed someone else and the press aided them, and will continue to do so

Nothing whatever will change, perhaps they will blame the public for voting for it this time?

 

[D8ve]

but our government will not be able to avoid scrutiny.

????

 

[Woosh]

Facts? the only one that matters is a Firmer grip on power. they are certain to have that

Can't you see?
The tories has a tiny majority, if they have that grip on power, that's because Mr Corbyn gives it to them.
Any of the Milliband brothers would have run rings around Mrs May.

 

[Woosh]

D8ve,
I meant a post-brexit government can't blame FOM for the number of immigrants.

 

[flecc]

perhaps they will blame the public for voting for it this time?

The EU will continue to get the blame until we actually exit. Then the blame will be switched to what they'll term the rotten deal we got from the EU. That will last for at least ten more years.

After all, they are still blaming Gordon Brown for the state of the economy, 16 years after he departed.
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[oldgroaner]

Can't you see?
The tories has a tiny majority, if they have that grip on power, that's because Mr Corbyn gives it to them.

I really don't think it is that simple the public will stick with them until something really serious goes wrong, even if there was a viable opposition, which let's face it would very likely only be Tory light in nature.

You will not get rid of the Tory party short term.
Politically the country is stuck in a rut and kept there by applied propaganda that no one really is organised or powerful enough to counter.

Something more fundamental than Brexit will have to affect the public mindset, or it is just more of the same ad infinitum.

 

[oldgroaner]

The EU will continue to get the blame until we actually exit. Then the blame will be switched to what they'll term the rotten deal we got from the EU. That will last for at least ten more years.

After all, they are still blaming Gordon Brown for the state of the economy, 16 years after he departed.
.

Very true!

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

That's wrong KTM. My own area, as I mentioned in an earlier post, is one of highest immigrant areas in country. It voted out, and I believe with 3rd highest majority in country.

ok.... which area do you live, so I can amend my clear generalisation to take into account your specific case.

Because according to the facts, this is the 3rd most leave voting place in the country. Please take note of the last sentence.

"Castle Point, situated deep in the Ukip heartlands of Essex, is another predictably high Leave vote.

The county hosts the eurosceptic party's only current MP - Douglas Carswell, just up the coast in Clacton. And Castle Point itself has the fifth lowest proportion of university educated residents in Britain - less than one in five.

The immigrant population is actually only 3 percent here, low by both regional and national standards."

Here's the source.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/revealed-the-most-eurosceptic-and-europhilic-areas-in-the-uk/

 

[Zlatan]

My town voted 69 %leave, the region its in was 4th highest.
Both have very high percentage immigrant populations.

Don't think you can make generalisations anyway but the Ist generation Asians I know voted leave. As far as I know the Asian communities around us voted predominantly leave.( The families I know certainly did) Had they not we would not have had overall result we did.

But you are right it wasn't 3rd highest but the figure of 69/31 favouring leave is a very strong majority and little different to highest in country. ( not checked but think highest was 71/29)

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

My town voted 69 %leave, the region its in was 4th highest.
Both have very high percentage immigrant populations.

Don't think you can make generalisations anyway but the Ist generation Asians I know voted leave. As far as I know the Asian communities around us voted predominantly leave.( The families I know certainly did) Had they not we would not have had overall result we did.

But you are right it wasn't 3rd highest but the figure of 69/31 favouring leave is a very strong majority and little different to highest in country. ( not checked but think highest was 71/29)

Sorry to hit you with facts again, but you might have noticed I am fan

You can't know what % your town voted, the data wasn't released, was it? Have you got a link for it? So I'm guessing you must be in Thurrock (which was 4th)

"Thurrock in south Essex is typical. The region includes the towns of Grays, Purfleet and Aveley and is home to Mr Mason and many other Ukip voters. It is relatively untouched by immigration. More than 85 per cent of its citizens are white British, down from 95 per cent in 2001, but significantly higher than the national average of 80 per cent.

Despite this, immigration and fears of a weakening national identity are issues of prime concern. On the high street in Grays, a pound shop sells enormous piles of Union flags and flip-flops printed with English flags. Even the pawn shop offering "instant cash for gold" has four St George's crosses outside."

 

[Zlatan]

KTM
If you Google
" Leave vote by percentage Financial Times"
They have Towns listed. About 10th on list is one with 31/69..( Its actually Doncaster)
Rotherham not far away voted pretty much identically. Perhaps FT have made figures up ?
Both Towns have a very high percentage of migrants, EU and otherwise.
I,d upload list but my old phone cant handle pfd/pictures uploading.
The article you uploaded does not split up beyond regions, the FT one does..( Doncaster and Rotherham both listed anyhow) Not checked entire list..cant see point but there are hundreds.. Have a look.
It lists from Boston with 24/76 to Gibraltar with 95/05 and about 200 in-between.

Just checked ,Title of report is

" EU referendum results by map" Financial Times.
Scroll down below regions. Lists towns ( or perhaps smaller constituencies?)

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

KTM
If you Google
" Leave vote by percentage Financial Times"
They have Towns listed. About 10th on list is one with 31/69..( Its actually Doncaster)
Rotherham not far away voted pretty much identically. Perhaps FT have made figures up ?
Both Towns have a very high percentage of migrants, EU and otherwise.
I,d upload list but my old phone cant handle pfd/pictures uploading.
The article you uploaded does not split up beyond regions, the FT one does..( Doncaster and Rotherham both listed anyhow) Not checked entire list..cant see point but there are hundreds.. Have a look.

Just checked ,Title of report is

" EU referendum results by map" Financial Times.
Scroll down below regions. Lists towns ( or perhaps smaller constituencies?)

You keep changing the goal posts... it was 3rd, then 4th and now (about 10th) its as if you're trying to find a place that voted leave that has a high % immigration to prove your point I know the area well, one of the lads we employ is from Donny, I was there just last week visiting a bike shop.

Immigration was clearly an issue in that part of the world, but the decline in community has many routes and they wont be solved by removing the immigrants will they?

 

[Apprentice]

In Ireland the cost of office space ect.... is on the up
apparently there has been a lot of recent interest from U.K. Based companies taking short leases on buildings in Dublin
To reserve a place so to speak

And daily we see these types of reports
http://m.independent.ie/business/brexit/ida-expects-raft-of-drug-firms-to-relocate-here-35402048.html

The only real issue Ireland is having regarding brexit is our food and drink industry upset 56% of our beef goes to the uk
60% of our cheese ect... ect...

But over all it's widely accepted here that Ireland is set to do very well out of brexit
once the food and drink industries find new markets

 

[Zlatan]

You keep changing the goal posts... it was 3rd, then 4th and now (about 10th) its as if you're trying to find a place that voted leave that has a high % immigration to prove your point I know the area well, one of the lads we employ is from Donny, I was there just last week visiting a bike shop.

Immigration was clearly an issue in that part of the world, but the decline in community has many routes and they wont be solved by removing the immigrants will they?

I said the region was 4th...you said they haven't listed towns.

 

[oldtom]

But over all it's widely accepted here that Ireland is set to do very well out of brexit
once the food and drink industries find new markets

I'm genuinely pleased that Ireland stand to do well out of 'Brexit' if it happens. I wish that were the case for the UK too.

Tom

 

[oldtom]

Something more fundamental than Brexit will have to affect the public mindset, or it is just more of the same ad infinitum.

I have a terrible sense of foreboding about that and it's a frightening prospect.

Tom

 

[Danidl]

I'm genuinely pleased that Ireland stand to do well out of 'Brexit' if it happens. I wish that were the case for the UK too.

Tom

Ireland will not do well if brexit takes place. Any of the crumbs which might come from transfers of company offices will be small comfort

 

[oldtom]

I hadn't noticed this horrible piece of racism from you earlier but this is how you replied to this question from 'KTM':

What about if we sign a trade deal with Australia, would you support freedom of movement with them?

No. Freedom of movement is a long term target when the world will eventually become one.

For that, you should be ashamed and I don't think it is necessary for me to spell out exactly why that is but those of us with a little knowledge of the 20th century will understand why it cannot ever be acceptable.

Tom

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

I said the region was 4th...you said they haven't listed towns.

There are only 9 regions in England, so 4th isn't something to be too proud of either way.