Brexit, for once some facts.
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An example of spin from the Express
The naughty EU wants to snatch children's toys from them!
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EU CRAYON BAN: Brussels also rules watercolours and colouring pencils OFF LIMITS
COLOURING pencils and wax crayons are just the latest product to be 'banned' by the European Union over concerns children could be eating dangerous levels of lead."
About bloody time they did ban lead!
This was presented as interference? do they want our children to suffer lead poisoning to preserve someones right to make a profit?
The naughty EU wants to snatch children's toys from them!
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EU CRAYON BAN: Brussels also rules watercolours and colouring pencils OFF LIMITS
COLOURING pencils and wax crayons are just the latest product to be 'banned' by the European Union over concerns children could be eating dangerous levels of lead."
About bloody time they did ban lead!
This was presented as interference? do they want our children to suffer lead poisoning to preserve someones right to make a profit?
So true for the two of us and we did not vote for it, but let me tell you a true story. One guy I know went to a trial session last month at a factory not far from where we are. The factory fulfills deliveries for a very large mail order company that I shall not name. My friend was of course offered the position on the 'production line' if he wished to accept but, although being a very fit young man, he refused, he thought he would not be able to keep up with the speed of the conveyor belt for long. The workload is so intense that a vast proportion of their staff is from the EU. That's the reality of freedom of movement.
The moral of the story is?
That our people will have to work like that to survive?
They will not be cheered by that news will they?
The company deserves to fail if working conditions are that bad that people refuse to work there.
Brexit will be great from that businesses point of view won't it?
freedom of movement can be like that conveyor belt to millions of voters like my friend.
relentless, 24 x 7, one way.
Guess which way he voted. He did not vote to do himself out of a job, he voted to slow down the conveyor belt, against Thatcherite free market economy.
You assume that brexit favours the tories. I disagree. Millions who voted for brexit are not tory supporters.
All it takes is for Labour to find its way.
Tony Blaire put himself forward extolling remain policies expecting a groundswell of support from remainers. It didn't happen.
Corbyn wont fully support remain because he knows it would lose him seats.
Remainers might be vocal,and some might even believe in some lunatic fascist conspiracy, but the fact of the matter is the country as a whole wants out. If this were not case Blaire would have strolled back into power and/or Corbyn would allow free votes.( or give instructions to vote against art 50)
Leaving ( if we do) will be electorally enforced. Its another example of how our democracy works.
Politicians are fickle, they adopt the policy that keeps them in power.
That's exactly why I,m content with letting MPs decide.
Corbyn wont fully support remain because he knows it would lose him seats.
Remainers might be vocal,and some might even believe in some lunatic fascist conspiracy, but the fact of the matter is the country as a whole wants out. If this were not case Blaire would have strolled back into power and/or Corbyn would allow free votes.( or give instructions to vote against art 50)
Leaving ( if we do) will be electorally enforced. Its another example of how our democracy works.
Politicians are fickle, they adopt the policy that keeps them in power.
That's exactly why I,m content with letting MPs decide.
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I,d hazard a guess that if you examined regions with over 10% majority to leave most would be die hard labour areas..( I know ours is, Tories/ Thatcher are hated in most mining towns/ villages to this day)
Great analogy
but I feel the speed of the conveyor belt is just the pace of consumerism of 2016 regardless of who is working on that machine that's the speed it needs to go for the business to be viable .
But what about 2017 ?
There are other scenarios, slowing the conveyor down produces better products. Ask Jaguar, Land Rover,Morgan..Uk does have niche products some of world adores. (Japan has bought droves of our old sports cars)
The problem we face is that your telescope has a tendency to peer up old tom's bottom.
Not realising that the Tory party will reduce his benefits and make his circumstances so desperate he will take any job no matter how hard it is?
So he actually voted himself into begging for the job he had rejected?
What a Genius!
And yours is to still have no argument in favour of the mad decision you made.
Where is your guarantee of better times?
How can you trust the very government you profess to despise?
You are the one peering up someone elses backsides, not me.
OG, you like other supporters of remain, default and fast forward to the absolute worst case scenario imaginable at some undefined point in the future.
I liken it thus. If a normal person notices that one of their car tyres is slightly under inflated, they will sort it out at their earliest convenience. Applying your mentality to the same scenario, the ONLY possible outcome would be for the tyre to burst, the car to spin out of control, wipe out a bus queue and finally cartwheel into an orphanage and to then explode in a fiery death ball of flames and shrapnel.
There doesn't appear to be any capacity for rational thought. Same with olde thomas.
What a strange viewpoint: Brexit was entirely the construct of the Tory party internal conflict which produced UKIP and let to this national disaster.
Millions voted because they were misled and lied to, and labour lacked the guts to oppose this marginal result.
That is what will be recorded in the Public memory
Labour failed to step up the mark if they don't massively vote against Brexit
They will be fatally wounded.
Imaginative as ever, but the analogy is totally wrong.
This is no slow leak in a tyre!
You can stop and fix that
The case in point is more case in point of having brake failure on the car and refusing to coast to a stop before going downhill
( invoking a terminal situation by employing Article 50 from which there is no turning back)
How will you stop the process after Article 50?
No way back after that is there?
What kind of an idiot commits themselves to something they can't back out of if it doesn't work to their advantage?
That is an accurate picture of our situation, try not to make a fool of yourself by refusing to see the obvious.
"There doesn't appear to be any capacity for rational thought. in leave fans does there?
Make a decision without knowing the consequences, then refuse to reconsider and commit to a one way action you can't back out of?
Stupidity describes such a rash act very well.
Intelligence on the same order as the Road sense of a pheasant.
As usual, your arrant nonsense is amusing, not to be taken seriously.
And do you imagine for a moment he will get what he desires?
OG, just look at the by-elections' result since the referendum.
Both conservative and labour lost votes.
It's not just by elections to Westminster, local council elections have pointed to the same direction.
Both leading parties need to work on their manifestos.
When I woke this morning,the TV announced that we are on a recruitment campaign to the Czech Republic,it appears we are desperately short of maths and science teachers in our schools.
Wonder what anti-immigration Leavers make of us going to an EU country to attract immigrants to our country?
We will soon be off to Romania to attract medics,off to Poland to attract farmers and off to China to attract bicycle mechanics. As an afterthought the Chinese are very good at maths!
KudosDave
Wonder what anti-immigration Leavers make of us going to an EU country to attract immigrants to our country?
We will soon be off to Romania to attract medics,off to Poland to attract farmers and off to China to attract bicycle mechanics. As an afterthought the Chinese are very good at maths!
KudosDave
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I agree, but if you remember my earlier posts this is going to take YEARS to correct.