Brexit, for once some facts.
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Don't worry about it,Brexiters are happy to pay....that's what they voted for.
I put up over 1000 prices today and yet every customer just paid up with no complaints,we are told by Theresa May that we should all unite behind her Brexit dream.
KudosDave
From the Mail this morning
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The arrogant merchant of gloom Mrs May will be glad to see the back of: ANDREW PIERCE on how the writing had been on the wall for Sir Ivan Rogers for months
They carried a rather less hostile headline in the Guardian so I offered my two pennorth
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Congratulations are due, after all who in their right mind would touch these negotiations with a barge Pole?
History will attach so much of the sticky smelly stuff to all involved in Brexit, the best advice to the lot of them is to follow this man's lead and become Brexquitters.
After all that has already been the exit strategy of choice by the main culprits, hasn't it?"
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The arrogant merchant of gloom Mrs May will be glad to see the back of: ANDREW PIERCE on how the writing had been on the wall for Sir Ivan Rogers for months
- Sir Ivan Rogers was principal private secretary to Eurosceptic Ken Clarke
- He often threw tantrums and Theresa May will not miss him as Brexit approaches
They carried a rather less hostile headline in the Guardian so I offered my two pennorth
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Congratulations are due, after all who in their right mind would touch these negotiations with a barge Pole?
History will attach so much of the sticky smelly stuff to all involved in Brexit, the best advice to the lot of them is to follow this man's lead and become Brexquitters.
After all that has already been the exit strategy of choice by the main culprits, hasn't it?"
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Re replacement of Ian Rogers:
It's kind of ironic that the remain campaign was based solely on economics and now the brexit negotiating team concentrates only on trade and economics alone.
It's kind of ironic that the remain campaign was based solely on economics and now the brexit negotiating team concentrates only on trade and economics alone.
We all suspected that Theresa May and Co had no plan for Brexit,but now Sir Ivan Rogers,our man in Brussels,has confirmed that our government haven't a clue what they are doing.....muddled thinking,ill conceived plans.
And a lack of expertise in Whitehall in trade negotiations.
Iain Duncan Smith ,a Leaver,has criticised the EU for not saying what they want from negotiations.....but it is us who are leaving,it is up to us to layout our leaving agenda and then negotiate our wish list with the EU,trouble is we haven't developed an agenda or wish list.
IDS is also starting to sharpen the knife to remove Theresa May,criticising her lack of direction,the government is falling out over Brexit.
Kevin Maguire,the journalist,described Theresa May as a second rate PM who is out of her depth.....she doesn't seem to have the ability to carry a proposal through,all her ideas have so far come to nothing.
Interesting how she responds to Ivan Rogers resignation.
Trump is going to make trade deals more difficult unless they are heavily weighted to the advantage of the USA,would we want a free trade deal with the USA?
KudosDave
And a lack of expertise in Whitehall in trade negotiations.
Iain Duncan Smith ,a Leaver,has criticised the EU for not saying what they want from negotiations.....but it is us who are leaving,it is up to us to layout our leaving agenda and then negotiate our wish list with the EU,trouble is we haven't developed an agenda or wish list.
IDS is also starting to sharpen the knife to remove Theresa May,criticising her lack of direction,the government is falling out over Brexit.
Kevin Maguire,the journalist,described Theresa May as a second rate PM who is out of her depth.....she doesn't seem to have the ability to carry a proposal through,all her ideas have so far come to nothing.
Interesting how she responds to Ivan Rogers resignation.
Trump is going to make trade deals more difficult unless they are heavily weighted to the advantage of the USA,would we want a free trade deal with the USA?
KudosDave
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I don't think we have much choice in the matter. We will need trade deals as soon as. The whole world knows that.
The problem for us is unfair competition from our opposite numbers. They may not have the same welfare and product standard (eg GM ingredients in US food), their workers may have much lower wages (eg trade deal with India) or they are already massive exporters (eg China). Trade deals may result in us losing more jobs than gaining with those 3.
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Now retailer Next have revealed they are under huge cost pressures and will have to raise prices in 2017.
They are probably our top retailer, so what goes for them will certainly affect the rest at least equally.
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It's time we all accepted the fact that any "Trade Deals" May and co-conspirators will come up with are nothing more that a licence to Dump cheap products onto us in return for the illusion that we will be able to export to people who really don't want our products on either quality, delivery or cost grounds.
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From the Telegraph, what appears to be an admission from May that there really isn't a plan as yet.
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Theresa May calls on Boris and Davis to help her set out 'Brexit vision' with warning UK will quit single market if it is not given control over borders"
Warning? doesn't she mean admission that we won't get our way and she has no clue how to do so even now?
And the Express repeats the farce
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Theresa May tells Brussels ‘give us FULL border control or we WILL QUIT the single market’
THE Prime Minister will threaten to end Britain’s single market membership if the UK is not given full control of its borders in a landmark ‘Brexit vision’ speech later this month.
Are we living on a different planet ?
This is the same as threatening a Burglar that you will leave your house unlocked and go to the pictures.
The reader's comments in both of the right wing rags are enraged that May isn't going for the "Full English Brexit" and wanting to walk away with Nothing.
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Theresa May calls on Boris and Davis to help her set out 'Brexit vision' with warning UK will quit single market if it is not given control over borders"
Warning? doesn't she mean admission that we won't get our way and she has no clue how to do so even now?
And the Express repeats the farce
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Theresa May tells Brussels ‘give us FULL border control or we WILL QUIT the single market’
THE Prime Minister will threaten to end Britain’s single market membership if the UK is not given full control of its borders in a landmark ‘Brexit vision’ speech later this month.
Are we living on a different planet ?
This is the same as threatening a Burglar that you will leave your house unlocked and go to the pictures.
The reader's comments in both of the right wing rags are enraged that May isn't going for the "Full English Brexit" and wanting to walk away with Nothing.
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The really terrifying thing is that if you look forward just a few years to a point where we have left the EU, the borders are "Controlled", but have not achieved any change in the inevitable population mix due to the differing birth rated of ethnic parts of the population, and Muslims outnumber Christians,
Any faltering of the economy will be a chance to create dissent: where will the right wing and their vile press turn to blame for the nation's ills?
And what will they propose to do about it?
Propose tolerance and goodwill?
Or will they Bow to the "Will of the people" having turned it to their advantage, and persecute ethnic groups as they now do the poor and the unemployed.
Any faltering of the economy will be a chance to create dissent: where will the right wing and their vile press turn to blame for the nation's ills?
And what will they propose to do about it?
Propose tolerance and goodwill?
Or will they Bow to the "Will of the people" having turned it to their advantage, and persecute ethnic groups as they now do the poor and the unemployed.
Well, that is the modus operandi of a fascist-controlled state so, yes - that is exactly what one might expect; it's their standard operating procedure.
Tom
You are creeping very close to the red line there OG... I think you must be reading too many tabloids! That is the kind of sentence Farage and his worshipers would write.
A little reminder:
Islam is the second largest religion with results from the United Kingdom Census 2011 giving the UK Muslim population in 2011 as ~2,706,066, ~4.5% of the total population. The vast majority of Muslims in the United Kingdom live in England:2,660,116 (5.02% of the population).
Now we all know about the reproduction rate of rabbits but human beings (yes Muslims are human beings too!) take things a bit slower. So your "few years" might need to be modulated to "decades" or even "centuries".
Please consider this post as a sharp tap over the knuckles with a reglementary school ruler...
I totally agree. Some of the worst atrocities in history have been committed by using people of a certain race or religion as a scape-goat for problems not of their making.
This is the ugly trait of human nature. It's humanness, it's what humans do to each other. If we had no immigration and no diversity in religion, we would still find some trait in certain people to persecute.
Right from the start, there have been two particular soundbites from the various disgusting creatures who populate the group of far-right proponents of 'Brexit' which have absolutely no practical meaning for the people of the UK.
One is the nonsense about securing our borders which is something we have never had - not even pre-common market, indeed, right through history our borders have always been quite the opposite as the Romans, Vikings and Normans demonstrated. In very rough terms, the coastline including NI measures about 12,500km so how would we ever manage to control such a long and frequently remote border? Why then should it be an issue because of being in the EU?
The other is sovereignty. The stupidity of the notion that we no longer retain sovereignty over our affairs is risible as there are 27 other sovereign nation states in the EU, each of which retains sovereignty of all they wish to retain except for any matters which they have democratically agreed in concert with others to accept as a shared responsibility with all the other states.
The fact that we have an elected parliament and, like 11 other European countries (not all EU), still retain a monarchy, isn't exactly suggestive of a country which has surrendered its independence, control and responsibilities to another body. The EU does not act, as Farage would have people believe, dictatorially - any changes affecting the 28 member states are arrived at democratically.
Of course, the tory party doesn't like democracy; nor does it like the term 'union' as such expressions conjure up the kind of images for them that brought about the modern, democratic republics and the demise of much aristocratic power in many other parts of Europe, indeed the world. Fascism requires not just power but absolute power and we know from history what that brings with it. Tories are not team players and want freedom to do whatever they like without regard for anyone else. They will strip away every piece of legislation which protects ordinary people, workers, the poor, the disabled, whether it be human rights, H&S, the right to belong to a trade union, to withdraw one's labour, etc.
Given a free hand, they will ultimately insult the common people by restoring foxhunting all across the country while publicly condemning bullfighting in Spain and the annual cull of seals in several countries.
January 2017 and Mrs May, according to the media, is telling the EU what it must do, backed up by a threat. Really! How to win friends and influence people....not!
Tom
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The Beeb....or dear old Auntie, as some have referred to that institution, has been caught out broadcasting downright lies in support of the tory party. This example is not just an isolated incident but it serves to demonstrate how unquestioning simpletons are provided with views inconsistent with reality for the nastiest of reasons. Thanks to Vox Political for this example from last September:
http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2016/09/11/post-truth-bbc-quietly-admits-lying-about-anti-war-demonstration-over-syria/
Tom
http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2016/09/11/post-truth-bbc-quietly-admits-lying-about-anti-war-demonstration-over-syria/
Tom
According to the ONS the White English proportion of the Birth rate was 62%, and as you point out the Actual Muslim birth rate around 5%, but the point I was making is that the figures put forward for public consumption have already included headlines like this oneYou are creeping very close to the red line there OG... I think you must be reading too many tabloids! That is the kind of sentence Farage and his worshipers would write.
A little reminder:
Islam is the second largest religion with results from the United Kingdom Census 2011 giving the UK Muslim population in 2011 as ~2,706,066, ~4.5% of the total population. The vast majority of Muslims in the United Kingdom live in England:2,660,116 (5.02% of the population).
Now we all know about the reproduction rate of rabbits but human beings (yes Muslims are human beings too!) take things a bit slower. So your "few years" might need to be modulated to "decades" or even "centuries".
Please consider this post as a sharp tap over the knuckles with a reglementary school ruler...
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One in ten babies in England is a Muslim: Those practising the religion 'could soon outnumber actively worshipping Christians'
- Census data shows nearly twice as many under-fives identified as Muslim as in general population
- Less than 0.5pc of over 85s in Britain identify as Muslim
- In 2011 there were 3.5m children aged 0-4, of whom 320,000 were Muslim"
- Largest religious group among those aged 0-4 still comprised of Christians
PUBLISHED: 04:21, 10 January 2014 | UPDATED: 08:54, 10 January 2014
This is already accepted as "Truth" by large parts of the population, and you can be sure that not only the Tabloids, but the Government itself will use this as having propaganda value.
And you will note, I do not use these "facts" as anything more than an illustration of the sort of attitude we can expect when the EU is no longer a handy scapegoat for failed Government Policies.
Remember I wrote this.
"And what will they propose to do about it?
Propose tolerance and goodwill?
Or will they Bow to the "Will of the people" having turned it to their advantage, and persecute ethnic groups as they now do the poor and the unemployed."
Your rebuke is Registered, and taken in the spirit intended
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