Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Perhaps to do so on an almost daily basis for so long without financial reward is unusual in today's climate and on other forums? .. and hence the question..of that I'm not sure, but most certainly not here.

Thanks Helen,

Just to confirm I've had no financial interest in the other forums I've contributed to and helped on:

PC Advisor, 1999 to 2002 inclusive, advising on Microsoft operating systems, 9X and NT.

Wild About Britain on wildlife up until it's closure a year ago.

Natural History Museum Forum as a species identifier, 2015 to date.

UK Fungi from opening to date.
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[oldgroaner]

Sir Nigel isn't pleased!
From the independent
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Nigel Farage hits out at Sir Tim Barrow's appointment as EU ambassador
'Good to see that the government have replaced a knighted career diplomat with... a knighted career diplomat,' says former Ukip leader

I have some words of cheer for Sir Nigel:

it wouldn't matter if "Animal" from the Muppet Show was given the job, or even an utter fool like himself.

In fact don't bother sending anyone at all, save the cost and just accept what the EU are willing to give us.
That is what is going to happen anyway no matter what is said and done.

 

[Kudoscycles]

From the Telegraph, what appears to be an admission from May that there really isn't a plan as yet.
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Theresa May calls on Boris and Davis to help her set out 'Brexit vision' with warning UK will quit single market if it is not given control over borders"

Warning? doesn't she mean admission that we won't get our way and she has no clue how to do so even now?
And the Express repeats the farce
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Theresa May tells Brussels ‘give us FULL border control or we WILL QUIT the single market’
THE Prime Minister will threaten to end Britain’s single market membership if the UK is not given full control of its borders in a landmark ‘Brexit vision’ speech later this month.

Are we living on a different planet ?
This is the same as threatening a Burglar that you will leave your house unlocked and go to the pictures.

The reader's comments in both of the right wing rags are enraged that May isn't going for the "Full English Brexit" and wanting to walk away with Nothing.

And what is she going to do if all 27 just sit there.....jump up and down,stamp her feet and run into a corner crying....'Boris,Boris they wont play nicely'.....
KudosDave

 

[Woosh]

What we need is a vision for the UK after brexit, a kind of manifestos from the tories.

 

[oldgroaner]

And what is she going to do if all 27 just sit there.....jump up and down,stamp her feet and run into a corner crying....'Boris,Boris they wont play nicely'.....
KudosDave

I'm sure Boris would give his famous Corporal Jones Impression.

LCpl. Jack Jones: I just wanted to tell you I still have faith in you, sir.
Capt. George Mainwaring: Thank you, Corporal.
LCpl. Jack Jones: Even if nobody else does.

 

[flecc]

What we need is a vision for the UK after brexit, a kind of manifestos from the tories.

Or even now perhaps? The Cameron manifesto on which the government was elected has clearly been scrapped with the change of Prime Minister and Cabinet. Policies too, with such as Theresa May's wish to bring back grammar schools being a reversal.

So there is no manifesto at present, just "on the hoof" ill-considered announcements.
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[shemozzle999]

Brexit - shock, horror news:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38515971

 

[Kudoscycles]

Brexit - shock, horror news:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38515971[/QUOTE

As it says in the report,prices are rising strongly,yet consumers dont seem worried about paying more. Maybe people are buying now in the certainty that it will cost more in the coming months.
My own business is very busy,especially on e-bike sales,the folding Kudos Secret is selling as fast as we can PDI them. We are still able to hold Kudos e-bike prices as long as current stocks last.
KudosDave

 

[oldgroaner]

Brexit - shock, horror news:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38515971

Where is the good new in that? do you imagine it will be enough to make us a "leading Trading Nation" on such a paltry result?

Nice try, but really, we are grateful things are not even worse at this stage. and that is about the only possible reaction, not shock horror, try a slight easing of the level of worry, that's all.

It's hardly news to fill us all with excited anticipation for the day article 50 hits the headlines is it, and even that is liable to be a damp squib, these things work to a much longer timescale that quarterly results.
Years will elapse before the true picture of success or failure reveal themselves.

 

[flecc]

Brexit - shock, horror news:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38515971

As it says in the report,prices are rising strongly,yet consumers dont seem worried about paying more. Maybe people are buying now in the certainty that it will cost more in the coming months.

Yes indeed prices rising sharply and much more to come from the food sector among others.

The reason that people are still buying is revealed by the credit card data, the debt total rising over 10% this year and at pre 2008 crash levels.

And we all know what follows such high debt levels, a crash as people find they can't service their debts.

Not a good way to approach a change as radical as Brexit.
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[oldgroaner]

Environment Secretary Andrea Leadsom outlined today how red tape will be scrapped to help farmers get on and grow fantastic British food.
Dealing with red tape and farm inspections is estimated to cost the industry £5million per year and the loss of 300,000 hours. The Government will be consulting industry later this year on areas they would like to see reformed, and how a more common sense approach could be applied.
Ditch the ‘three crop rule’ which sets out how many different crops farms must plant each year and free 40,000 farmers to grow the foods people want - adding millions of pounds to the economy.
Reduce the number of government inspections on farms, by streamlining them or replacing them by better use of aerial photography. We’ve already cut 4,000 inspections this year and aim to remove 20,000 by 2020

In other words look for more cash crops, and lower standards of Animal Welfare, and Environmental control as no one is bothering to look at what is going on.
And of course pesticides making a comeback into the food chain.
This is what taking back controls means.

 

[oldtom]

Tom

 

[oldtom]

I think many of us know this already but clearly there is a long way to go before the millions easily gulled by the BBC, SKY and the tory party press actually get the message.

There really isn't any easy way to get simpletons to believe that the media sources they use to learn what is going on in the country and the world at large have been lying to them all their life but we must try.

The late Umberto Eco, writer, philosopher and general all-round clever geezer drew attention to how the modern political world operates in the method of achieving power and maintaining it - no heavy artillery required any more!



Tom

 

[Zlatan]

I think many of us know this already but clearly there is a long way to go before the millions easily gulled by the BBC, SKY and the tory party press actually get the message.

There really isn't any easy way to get simpletons to believe that the media sources they use to learn what is going on in the country and the world at large have been lying to them all their life but we must try.

The late Umberto Eco, writer, philosopher and general all-round clever geezer drew attention to how the modern political world operates in the method of achieving power and maintaining it - no heavy artillery required any more!

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Tom

One of Umberto 's more enlightened comments ( quote)
" Social media gives legions of idiots ability to speak and be heard in a way only Nobel peace prize winners would have been in past, its the invasion of the idiots"

Very apt for you Tom.

 

[anotherkiwi]

Environment Secretary Andrea Leadsom outlined today how red tape will be scrapped to help farmers get on and grow fantastic British food.
Dealing with red tape and farm inspections is estimated to cost the industry £5million per year and the loss of 300,000 hours. The Government will be consulting industry later this year on areas they would like to see reformed, and how a more common sense approach could be applied.
Ditch the ‘three crop rule’ which sets out how many different crops farms must plant each year and free 40,000 farmers to grow the foods people want - adding millions of pounds to the economy.
Reduce the number of government inspections on farms, by streamlining them or replacing them by better use of aerial photography. We’ve already cut 4,000 inspections this year and aim to remove 20,000 by 2020

In other words look for more cash crops, and lower standards of Animal Welfare, and Environmental control as no one is bothering to look at what is going on.
And of course pesticides making a comeback into the food chain.
This is what taking back controls means.

Where are you going to plant the olive trees? Trump is going to look after the weather so they will probably grow in Scotland...

 

[oldgroaner]

One of Umberto 's more enlightened comments ( quote)
" Social media gives legions of idiots ability to speak and be heard in a way only Nobel peace prize winners would have been in past, its the invasion of the idiots"

Very apt for you Tom.

Don't you recognise someone close?

 

[Danidl]

Environment Secretary Andrea Leadsom outlined today how red tape will be scrapped to help farmers get on and grow fantastic British food.
Dealing with red tape and farm inspections is estimated to cost the industry £5million per year and the loss of 300,000 hours. The Government will be consulting industry later this year on areas they would like to see reformed, and how a more common sense approach could be applied.
Ditch the ‘three crop rule’ which sets out how many different crops farms must plant each year and free 40,000 farmers to grow the foods people want - adding millions of pounds to the economy.
Reduce the number of government inspections on farms, by streamlining them or replacing them by better use of aerial photography. We’ve already cut 4,000 inspections this year and aim to remove 20,000 by 2020

In other words look for more cash crops, and lower standards of Animal Welfare, and Environmental control as no one is bothering to look at what is going on.
And of course pesticides making a comeback into the food chain.
This is what taking back controls means.

Was the three crop rotation rule not designed to increase fertility in the soil and remove parasites?

 

[oldgroaner]

Was the three crop rotation rule not designed to increase fertility in the soil and remove parasites?

It was, and to prevent the land being abused by being turned over to producing cash crops, which is exactly what will happen now, this will become the age of Oilseed Rape or other Bio Fuel crops.

 

[oldgroaner]

Where are you going to plant the olive trees? Trump is going to look after the weather so they will probably grow in Scotland...

More likely they will Plant Garlic, Bamboo and Cotton, all good little earners for Export, but useless as home food sources.

 

[oldgroaner]

The papers all lead with comparing the Bank of England Forecasts with Michael Fish's forecast of no storm, perhaps the least hysterical one is in the Guardian
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Chief economist of Bank of England admits errors in Brexit forecasting
Andrew Haldane says his profession must adapt to regain the trust of the public, claiming narrow models ignored ‘irrational behaviour’

The irrational behaviour comment is interesting, they have apparently no great grasp of the Quirks of Human nature.
I posted this comment
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What we are observing is one illusion partially cancelling another, after all since we are no nearer leaving the EU than on day one, there should have been no real economic change.

Speculation has fuelled the fall in the pound, a chance to make a killing.

Then the public sensed that the good times are not going to last and went on a spending spree, giving the illusion to those who wish to see it of a Booming economy.

It is the same economy as the circumstances have not changed, have they?

And this will still be true until we actually leave the EU.

Prices have risen and will change the long term picture, as stocks are consumed and replaced at higher cost, which will be passed on

All the major economic players are still on the board, but if they leave, then we shall see.

In the meantime we have the "Brexit live now you can't afford it later boom"

Naturally this is only my opinion, but then I flatter myself that I am, like everyone else capable of having an opinion, which in my case is based on personal observation not propaganda in the media, and that is not such a common event unfortunately