Brexit, for once some facts.

Croxden

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Deviation or hesitation?
 

oldgroaner

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Well, not so far they haven't. ;)
Well if it's OK for the Government to blame the EU for everything up to and including the weather for 40 plus years, we haven't been "at it" all that long, have we?:cool:
I plead innocent of the Charge and ask the court to take 2442 similar posts into consideration as we haven't even got warmed up yet, till the glorious day when Article 50 is invoked (or not as the case may be.)

If I may offer a gratuitous comment at this juncture, the thread is a bit like the House of Commons, as with the notable exception of my good friend tillson (I am his biggest fan)
What the thread lacks is a credible opposition.
 
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Croxden

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Deviation or hesitation?
I meant add this but it had gone from my mind.

At this rate I could get a job in government.
 

oldgroaner

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I meant add this but it had gone from my mind.

At this rate I could get a job in government.
Or if the condition worsens, join the opposition? assuming there is one still out there, there are times when one wonders:confused:
They seem to have got to the stage where they have lost the ability to find the exits after taking a nap in the HOC
 

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From the Torygraph this morning.

"David Davis privately 'accepts' Britain may need to enter into so-called Brexit transition arrangements"

Oh Dear! that looks rather like another "Sell out" as far as I can see, and won't go down well with the "Out with Nowt!" Brexit hot heads.

For the non Yorkshire folk out there that was a Hull slogan just for the record.
Hull is a bit of a "one off"
"You can fool some of the people all of the time
and all of the people some of the time"

But here in Hull we don't need or welcome outside help and the presence of the giant Siemens Plant manufacturing wind turbines and providing employment to the locals that has transformed the old docklands, and a massive EU infrastructure investment in a waste energy recovery plant at the defunct BOCM mill, made no difference in the fact that the city voted almost 2 to 1 in Favour of Brexit.

One of my earlier posts sums up the mood round here.
"It doesn't matter what they say, 'cause we're against it anyway,

Whatever it is, we're against it!"

And remember Folks Hull is the City of Culture 2017 so there.
"You lost! get over it!"
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... But whatever is promised – hard or soft, red white or blue – it’s clear that the terms of Brexit will be dictated by Donald Tusk, Angela Merkel and the other 27 members of the EU, rather than by our dream team of May, Boris Johnson and David Davis. ...
Wouldn't that be like democracy where the majority view wins? Or you have a 1:28 chance of getting what you "want", whatever that is because most of what you were asking for you already have...
 
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oldtom

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most of what you were asking for you already have...
Exactly! All this talk of 'Brexit' with take your pick from a range of prefix adjectives, is just a kind of face-saving exercise.

Out of the EU but not out of the EU.....oh, it's all become rather pathetic and we stand to gain nothing from leaving. Fine, except the proponents of the folly cannot bring themselves to admit that they were wrong - they hadn't a clue what they were voting for back in June but now they know a lot more and none of it makes very good reading.

What the UK won't have if we change to any other kind of arrangement with the EU is a seat at the top table where we might exercise a little bit of influence, 1/28th. we will also have no close friends in Europe and our old Commonwealth countries won't be likely to act out of charity towards us. The USA and Saudi Arabia are not really our friends and China could buy and sell us in the international marketplace.

Russia as an ally and major trading partner anybody? Thought not! Well, it looks like we will be relegated to the Championship, so to speak, if we relegate ourselves from the Premiership of EU nation states.

Tom
 
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Last night the "Thought Police" attended the homes of two remainers. Two men were arrested and held in custody. After questioning both men were allowed to leave and all charges dropped.
Thought Police issued the following statement.
"The men simply lacked the machinery to have any "
 
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oldgroaner

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Last night the "Thought Police" attended the homes of two remainers. Two men were arrested and held in custody. After questioning both men were allowed to leave and all charges dropped.
Thought Police issued the following statement.
"The men simply lacked the machinery to have any "
Just thought I'd drop in using the "see ignored content button"
The joke would work better if you finished it.
Here's a suitable punch line.
"Because the Thought police were not intelligent enough to understand that Remainers are not thick machines but intelligent Human beings"
I'll look again in a few days to see if by some miracle you have posted something on topic that makes sense.
 
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oldgroaner

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I don't think anyone could draw any conclusions from a survey on opinions with a sample size of
0.007 %..???
( they question less than 8 households per 100,000)
That's problem with any type of poll.
Some people can't work out Yes or no if they have six months to work on it, can you?
That's the problem with being indecisive.:D
 
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oldgroaner

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I don't think anyone could draw any conclusions from a survey on opinions with a sample size of
0.007 %..???
( they question less than 8 households per 100,000)
That's problem with any type of poll.
How odd, it seems pretty obvious to me, but then I did study the use of (SPC) statistical Process Control using random sampling plans, and run a Quality Audit Department for some years.
So what do I know?
 
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I don't think anyone could draw any conclusions from a survey on opinions with a sample size of
0.007 %..???
( they question less than 8 households per 100,000)
That's problem with any type of poll.
polls are polls, everybody takes them with a pinch a salt. However, the underlying science is solid when you look at changes in the results compared to the last time the same questions were asked of the same people.
Brexit opens up new fractures in UK politics without questioning the system that brought them about.
 
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Wouldn't that be like democracy where the majority view wins? Or you have a 1:28 chance of getting what you "want", whatever that is because most of what you were asking for you already have...
We just leave on WTO terms. The other 27 are irrelevant.
 

oldgroaner

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polls are polls, everybody takes them with a pinch a salt. However, the underlying science is solid when you look at changes in the results compared to the last time the same questions were asked of the same people.
Brexit opens up new fractures in UK politics without questioning the system that brought them about.
And what this one reveals is a rising level of distress among the people sampled, which however way you look at it makes the situation even more unstable in Political terms.

To me Brexit appears to be like being Press Ganged onto a sinking ship under the command of Captain Bligh, where there are no good choices, the best hope is to beach the boat before that happens, and either abandon it, or attempt repairs and await the next tide, to sail away in a known to be unreliable leaky hull, which you won't get insurance on anyway so can't use as a Coffin Ship.
;)
 
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