Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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Are you suggesting that members of Her Majesty's Armed Forces are racists? If a war were to break out, it would be those fine men an women who would be amongst the first casualties.
Actually if war breaks out with Russia, the safest place to be would be in the Forces in Iraq/ Afghanistan, in fact almost anywhere else but here
 
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I will agree that the percentage of votes cast for UKIP has declined in the two recent by-elections.

There are a multitude of reasons why that has happened and we can each have our own opinion on that. The reality is, no one knows what the actual answer is. Certainly not me or you. Fact.
As usual you have hit the Nail right on the head and I want to be the first to offer my congraulations.
"There are a multitude of reasons why this has happened.
Roll of Drums here.
They are known collectively as VOTERS (actually they voted for someone else, died, or preferred to do something else)
Well said tllson!
 
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Yes, I can vouch for you 'tillson' as this post is definitely in that vein I have come to recognise from your hand, as it were.

Are you still attending that schizophrenia clinic?

Tom
Tom, are you joining derf in stating that I and gray198 are the same person?
 

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The best thing you and I could fo is simply put each other on ignore and stop commenting on each others posts. I really did try and offer the olive branch, even ending posts with take care Tom. It seems yourself and derf teally do get enjoyment out insulting people and causing argument.
I have posted on a few sites over years , I have yet to find one with such childish offensive comments as seen in this thread. And OG dont come back and tell me I,m as bad,it was just as bad ,probably worse, long before I arrived.
What is the problem with some of you folk. Just read your posts..derf. Tom, Kiwi and even OG.. Its quite unbelievable and fact its allowed on a cycling forum is even worse..I really am staggered and sadly dismayed in human nature.
About a 1000 posts ago I suggested folk use a little more temperance. OG took great delight in mocking my efforts, does not give much hope for those in our society with allegedly less education and more bigotry. How could anyone's posts be worse than those we,ve seen? Perhaps threats I suppose, how long before we arrive there ???

Tom
I,m putting you on ignore and requesting you do same with me. Thanks.

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Remain camp need you. Please dont think I,m including you in my little ramble, quite the reverse. You,ve made some fantastic points and posts , I almost agreed with some off them.
 
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tillson

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The best thing you and I could fo is simply put each other on ignore and stop commenting on each others posts. I really did try and offer the olive branch, even ending posts with take care Tom. It seems yourself and derf teally do get enjoyment out insulting people and causing argument.
I have posted on a few sites over years , I have yet to find one with such childish offensive comments as seen in this thread. And OG dont come back and tell me I,m as bad,it was just as bad ,probably worse, long before I arrived.
What is the problem with some of you folk. Just read your posts..derf. Tom, Kiwi and even OG.. Its quite unbelievable and fact its allowed on a cycling forum is even worse..I really am staggered and sadly dismayed in human nature.
I completely agree.

I must confess to going on the offensive, but today seems to have taken a sinister turn and one that I am dismayed at. I hope that the moderators can offer some clarity on the gray198 situation.

old tom has sent me personal messages going back over many years and believe it or not, we enjoyed a friendly and infrequent off forum relationship via pms prior to this BREXIT thread. He then started to accuse me of being a racist and we have now reached the unpleasant situation that we are in today.

He could offer something to counter derf's blatant lies, but he chooses to remain silent in the full knowledge that he could help to set the record straight. Making what he believes to be a funny comment instead of doing what is morally correct.

Today, I think that we are witnessing a new low in human nature on this thread.
 
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tillson

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As usual you have hit the Nail right on the head and I want to be the first to offer my congraulations.
"There are a multitude of reasons why this has happened.
Roll of Drums here.
They are known collectively as VOTERS (actually they voted for someone else, died, or preferred to do something else)
Well said tllson!
O.G I give up with you. I was trying to stick to fact without putting any personal interpretation on the results. I think even KTM guy agreed with me, which is a first. I acknowledge that UKIP has lost support in terms of percentage share of the vote. I don't know why that is. Of course it could be because people no longer support them or have changed their mind. Or it could just as easily be any one of many other reasons. I don't know what else to say.

Your reply is so confused by attempted wit and humour that I honestly don't know what you are saying. You have buried the point that you are trying to make in nonsense.
 
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Trouble is mods seems purely interested in traffic. They appear to not care about morallity or content of posts.
Its a free for all. Say what you want...no consequence.
Suggesting folk follow forum rules for all's sake was a complete waste of time.

A good thread ruined...probably a good forum being ruined..

Posters forget this forum is your ( Cycling) shop front. Its your PR department. What are powers that be doing letting this carry on ???
It has got to be counter productive.
 
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tillson

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Trouble is mods seems purely interested in traffic. They appear to not care about morallity or content of posts.
Its a free for all. Say what you want...no consequence.
Suggesting folk follow forum rules for all's sake was a complete waste of time.
Maybe, as I say, I've never had cause to ask them to step in to clarify a point before, so I'll remain optimistic that they can help.

I see that cowardly derf seems to have run for cover now that he's been called out. That hasn't come as any great surprise to me though.
 
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Trouble is mods seems purely interested in traffic. They appear to not care about morallity or content of posts.
Its a free for all. Say what you want...no consequence.
Suggesting folk follow forum rules for all's sake was a complete waste of time.

A good thread ruined...probably a good forum being ruined..

Posters forget this forum is your ( Cycling) shop front. Its your PR department. What are powers that be doing letting this carry on ???
It has got to be counter productive.
Zlatan
Since your very first post it was obvious that your only purpose was to portray yourself as some outraged bystander bent on acting like a member of the thought police.
Not even the Moderators are immune from your so virtuous attacks,and yet while on here you have behaved as an Agent Provocateur at every opportunity, indulged in thinly disguised foul language by using slightly altered four letter words, and been on topic only on very rare occasion.
You came on here with the sole intention of Behaving like Nigel Farage at the EU parliament and wrecking the place.
You rant on about rules, yet ignore them yourself.
Do us all a favour and peddle your destructive nonsense somewhere else .
This is simply really to say I am taking your advice and hitting the ignore button on you as frankly even my patience with fools is not unlimited.
Goodbye.
 
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It seems like the 'Brexidiots' are losing their cool and looking for a scapegoat because their vision of a fascist Shangri-La is disappearing as economic sense begins to percolate through the tiny brains of many of the early adopters.

Entrenched in a hopeless position, those in this forum who give sustenance to the monsters of the extremist parties fail to remember the sage message, 'When you are in a hole of your own making and you want to escape, stop digging!'

Every single person who has ever cast a vote for UKIP and everyone who voted in the referendum to exit the EU holds responsibility for giving unwarranted credence to the murderous fascists, racists and assorted extremist, anarchist groupings of the UK. It is both right and proper that those of sane mind should challenge the intellectual simpletons who leapt to the cause of fascism behind the lunatic extremists, so it is an undignified spectacle to see those advocates and supporters of evil now seeking the intercession of forum moderators.

There has been no arm-twisting in order to force anyone to remain in a discussion about destroying European unity and paving the way for another major war, so to the cry-babies who don't like to be referred to as the evil-mongering fascists that they clearly are, I say, 'If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.'

Tom
 
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oldgroaner

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O.G I give up with you. I was trying to stick to fact without putting any personal interpretation on the results. I think even KTM guy agreed with me, which is a first. I acknowledge that UKIP has lost support in terms of percentage share of the vote. I don't know why that is. Of course it could be because people no longer support them or have changed their mind. Or it could just as easily be any one of many other reasons. I don't know what else to say.

Your reply is so confused by attempted wit and humour that I honestly don't know what you are saying. You have buried the point that you are trying to make in nonsense.
tillson what is wrong? this isn't like you, normally that last comment would have been met with a snappy response, and yes it was me teasing you just a little bit.
Really I didn't mean to distress you, just provide you with a little entertainment, as let's be honest the results can be interpereted in many ways.
Chin up old chap, you know what I'm like, better than anyone else on here.
Am I forgiven.....even a little it?
 
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I see that cowardly derf seems to have run for cover now that he's been called out. That hasn't come as any great surprise to me though.
No, of course it doesn't 'tillson'. You cannot expect someone to never react when you choose to attack that person repeatedly and more than any other person in this discussion. I ask myself why you, 'tillson', continually select 'derf' for so much more of your nastiness than others and I really don't like the answers that come back. I hope I'm wrong.

Tom
 
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But 30 odd percent less turned out when this was supposed to be a critical test of public opinion?
They demonstrated that all right and didn't bother!
UKIP lost out to both the Tory party and the Lid Dems, and lost votes shame it doesn't suit you, but that's just tough.
Only the lid Dems actually gained.
Don't by elections always have a smaller turnout. Don't think too much should be read into that
 

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Don't by elections always have a smaller turnout. Don't think too much should be read into that
You're right of course, normally speaking but nevertheless at this particularly unusual time both results have indicated at least a change in support levels and are of interest for that reason, and all the parties have devoted far more attention to winning.
 
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No, of course it doesn't 'tillson'. You cannot expect someone to never react when you choose to attack that person repeatedly and more than any other person in this discussion. I ask myself why you, 'tillson', continually select 'derf' for so much more of your nastiness than others and I really don't like the answers that come back. I hope I'm wrong.

Tom
derf is an habitual and persistent liar. That is why he comes frequently comes in for robust challenges from me. He makes some very unpleasant allegations against me for which he has no evidence. This latest tillson - gray198 lie is the latest example. The man needs to see a doctor.
 
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Trouble is mods seems purely interested in traffic. They appear to not care about morallity or content of posts.
Its a free for all. Say what you want...no consequence.
Suggesting folk follow forum rules for all's sake was a complete waste of time.

A good thread ruined...probably a good forum being ruined..

Posters forget this forum is your ( Cycling) shop front. Its your PR department. What are powers that be doing letting this carry on ???
It has got to be counter productive.
How on earth can anyone his dislike button with this post. Its suggesting we stop insulting one another and follow some basic rules. ????
 
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