Brexit, for once some facts.
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Fellow posters please get a grip. Personal abuse is neither funny or helpful in any debate. The first posting on this by flecc, nearly 8000 posts ago identified the purpose of this thread.. a debate about the advantages or otherwise of the brexit controversy. Name-calling is no substitute for considered thought.
Reading this from outside the confines of the UK , but within the EU, much of the current discussion is frankly puerile. Pots and kettles cone to mind.
Reading this from outside the confines of the UK , but within the EU, much of the current discussion is frankly puerile. Pots and kettles cone to mind.
Ok Flecc. Sensible reply as usual. Get your point but your condemnation of such posts would (IMO) have effect.
Quite correct and what had clearly happened is the ztalan has achieved his objective of derailing the thread.
I suggest the action I have taken of hitting the ignore button will allow us all to forget our artificially aggravated differences and get back to being both friendly and on topic.
Better not feed the troll[emoji1]
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OG, I think it is unfair to label ztalan a troll (no I am not ztalan as well as gray198).
He posted this a while back:
It seems quite reasonable to me.
old toms next post was ranting as follows:
Now come on, who's the troll? He sounds like a hate preacher.
I don't really care what he writes, but if we are going to attach a troll label to individual posters, it has to apply evenly.
Someone made a comment at Sleaford re the fall in the UKIP vote.....Why do we need a UKIP party when we have a UKIP Prime Minister.
When I questioned the big price rises from one of my UK suppliers he made the point that one thing is sure .....we should not worry about price rises because 17 million voted for them !!!!!
KudosDave
When I questioned the big price rises from one of my UK suppliers he made the point that one thing is sure .....we should not worry about price rises because 17 million voted for them !!!!!
KudosDave
Sorry old chap but his intentions are not in line with his so smooth delivery and he himself breaks as many rules as anyone else.
The thread is not his personal property but about a serious subject.
What else is there to say?
He contributes nothing and simply uses innocuous sounding arguments to prevent further discussions.
A very cute ploy is to appear to be a supporter of yours.
He isn't. Everyone is a target.
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Alas tillson you are correct in that,nevertheless I am a fair one, and of course good morning to you!
And now for "Smile of the Day" from the Telegraph
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Nigel Farage exclusive interview: On Ukip, his special relationship with Donald Trump and why he can help bring peace to the Middle East
Nigel Farage insists it's time to let someone else do the hard work with Ukip
I'm willing to help, wheres my mop and bucket, and bottle of bleach?
And another from the Express
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Britain holds ALL the cards! Brexiteer says UK can run the table during EU negotiations
A FORMER MP has called for Britain to remain optimistic over its departure from the European Union – saying the UK is a strong negotiating position with Brussels."
I didn't make this up, honestly, someone actually believes it and is willing have it published? Amazing.
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Nigel Farage exclusive interview: On Ukip, his special relationship with Donald Trump and why he can help bring peace to the Middle East
Nigel Farage insists it's time to let someone else do the hard work with Ukip
I'm willing to help, wheres my mop and bucket, and bottle of bleach?
And another from the Express
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Britain holds ALL the cards! Brexiteer says UK can run the table during EU negotiations
A FORMER MP has called for Britain to remain optimistic over its departure from the European Union – saying the UK is a strong negotiating position with Brussels."
I didn't make this up, honestly, someone actually believes it and is willing have it published? Amazing.
And now the Beast within reveals itself
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Nigel Farage launches scathing attack on Ukip's 'low-grade people'"
Do take the time to read this
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/09/nigel-farage-scathing-attack-ukip-low-grade-people.
And this party is supposed to be the next opposition? when it's ex leader is so scathing?
But then I have admitted being a "Suspicious Man" this very day.
This was my two pennorth as a reader's comment
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"A legend in his own Imagination" describes the man exactly, and for the first and probably last time in history I agree with him about the quality of UKIP, low grade indeed.
They could limbo dance under Toilet Doors in the Men's room."
IMHO of course
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Nigel Farage launches scathing attack on Ukip's 'low-grade people'"
Do take the time to read this
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/09/nigel-farage-scathing-attack-ukip-low-grade-people.
And this party is supposed to be the next opposition? when it's ex leader is so scathing?
But then I have admitted being a "Suspicious Man" this very day.
This was my two pennorth as a reader's comment
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"A legend in his own Imagination" describes the man exactly, and for the first and probably last time in history I agree with him about the quality of UKIP, low grade indeed.
They could limbo dance under Toilet Doors in the Men's room."
IMHO of course
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Good morning OG. Have you opened the thread for business yet?
Good morning to old tom & derf too.
Shall we, me included of course, try to keep it gentlemanly today? Provacation allowed, but no taking the bait?
Yesterday's war of words was just that, words and yesterday. Forgotten l, bury the hatchet and all that.
Good day to you all.
Absolutely agree press on Rewardless as they say
Indeed I have opened the thread for business, have you read Lord Nigel's comments about his party (or perhaps ex party now)?
He really does know how to win friends and influence people, doesn't he?
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/09/uber-drivers-report-sweated-labour-minimum-wage
Is this the post brexit future for UK workers?
Is this the post brexit future for UK workers?
And of course the Daily Mail
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The town where even immigrants are fed up with migration: Failing schools, filthy streets and benefit fraud - a ROBERT HARDMAN dispatch which those who accuse Brexiteers of being racist MUST read
The allegedly indigenous population doesn't want the Asians here and they in turn don't want the Roma here?
And the paper by using the situation to stir up pro Brexit anger and maintain support for it's propaganda campaign isn't itself employing the noble art of racism by the implication that all foreigners are trouble?
Or are we to assume that the motives of the paper are noble and intended to bring the situation to public attention thus ensuring a lasting solution is found for this perceived problem resulting in it's resolution to the benefit of all concerned?
A Classic case of pretending to fight a fire, but using petrol instead of water
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The town where even immigrants are fed up with migration: Failing schools, filthy streets and benefit fraud - a ROBERT HARDMAN dispatch which those who accuse Brexiteers of being racist MUST read
- The Page Hall district in Sheffield is the subject of a new Government report
- Reports highlights impact of 6,000 Roma moving into one Asian community
- In this area, the only complaint about Brexit is that it will come too late
The allegedly indigenous population doesn't want the Asians here and they in turn don't want the Roma here?
And the paper by using the situation to stir up pro Brexit anger and maintain support for it's propaganda campaign isn't itself employing the noble art of racism by the implication that all foreigners are trouble?
Or are we to assume that the motives of the paper are noble and intended to bring the situation to public attention thus ensuring a lasting solution is found for this perceived problem resulting in it's resolution to the benefit of all concerned?
A Classic case of pretending to fight a fire, but using petrol instead of water
"
Nigel Farage launches scathing attack on Ukip's 'low-grade people'"
Do take the time to read this
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/09/nigel-farage-scathing-attack-ukip-low-grade-people.
And this party is supposed to be the next opposition? when it's ex leader is so scathing?
What stance do you expect the guardian to take with regard to Farage, if he fed the 5000, they would complain about the those who got nothing.
Nigel Farage launches scathing attack on Ukip's 'low-grade people'"
Do take the time to read this
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/09/nigel-farage-scathing-attack-ukip-low-grade-people.
And this party is supposed to be the next opposition? when it's ex leader is so scathing?
What stance do you expect the guardian to take with regard to Farage, if he fed the 5000, they would complain about the those who got nothing.
One of the things that has become clear to me from the moronic comments of the far-right extremists in this thread is their complete lack of understanding of history. Indeed, it often appears that they have a large gap in their basic education, seemingly unable to comprehend the meaning of certain words like 'racism' and 'fascism' to quote two examples.
It took me some time to realise that it isn't simply that those people are in denial and don't recognise that what they say and how they behave is decidedly wrong and dangerous. Eventually, it occurred to me that in the absence of understanding, their words and behaviour is born out of ignorance - they just don't understand because they have never been taught history properly or didn't pay attention when the opportunity was there to learn.
If those people removed their blinkers, they would discover that much can be learned from history and never, before the internet age, was there such opportunity to learn for free as there is today - straight from the computer screen. For any who would like to fill in the gaps in their education from sources not controlled by state media or corporations owned by far-right billionaires, there are many websites which describe the events of history dispassionately. In that regard, I would recommend, purely as a starting point, the Wikipedia site and type the word 'fascism'. For open-minded people prepared to do further research, there are endless links but the basic concept is well-described.
Perhaps then, my position on Farage, the right wing of the tory party, Le Pen, Wilders and their ilk, with the dangers they represent, might be better understood. Inevitably, when the far-right rise to prominence, war results and we have enjoyed the longest period of peace between nations in Europe (with only one or two contained exceptions) ever recorded, thanks to the creation of the EU.
Tom
It took me some time to realise that it isn't simply that those people are in denial and don't recognise that what they say and how they behave is decidedly wrong and dangerous. Eventually, it occurred to me that in the absence of understanding, their words and behaviour is born out of ignorance - they just don't understand because they have never been taught history properly or didn't pay attention when the opportunity was there to learn.
If those people removed their blinkers, they would discover that much can be learned from history and never, before the internet age, was there such opportunity to learn for free as there is today - straight from the computer screen. For any who would like to fill in the gaps in their education from sources not controlled by state media or corporations owned by far-right billionaires, there are many websites which describe the events of history dispassionately. In that regard, I would recommend, purely as a starting point, the Wikipedia site and type the word 'fascism'. For open-minded people prepared to do further research, there are endless links but the basic concept is well-described.
Perhaps then, my position on Farage, the right wing of the tory party, Le Pen, Wilders and their ilk, with the dangers they represent, might be better understood. Inevitably, when the far-right rise to prominence, war results and we have enjoyed the longest period of peace between nations in Europe (with only one or two contained exceptions) ever recorded, thanks to the creation of the EU.
Tom
I must apologise 'the_killjoy' as I don't quite grasp the point in this post. It's probably just me being a bit thick this morning.
Tom
Andy Burham joins leavers...was an ardent remained...now saying leaving could be good for country.
So this week we,ve seen Cameron and bloke mentioned both say completely opposite to pre June 23rd.
Support Tillsons thoughts but I,m leaving OG and Tom on ignore. Suggest you two reciprocate.( kindly)
Thought Mogg was good last night.
So this week we,ve seen Cameron and bloke mentioned both say completely opposite to pre June 23rd.
Support Tillsons thoughts but I,m leaving OG and Tom on ignore. Suggest you two reciprocate.( kindly)
Thought Mogg was good last night.
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