No, Why, has he resigned from something again, or just mouthing off as usual? or was he like you annoyed that UKIP made such a poor showing in the Bye election?
Brexit, for once some facts.
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I'm not prepared to engage in wild speculation and superstition. Like you, I can't second guess what a person's motivation is for acting in a particular way. But that has never stopped you from trying.
I prefer to rely on hard evidence and data. That same hard evidence and data shows a 67% support for the parties committed to leaving the EU. Regardless of whether turn out is up or down, 67% is the number.
......and on the basis of all the hard evidence and data that accompanied the fascist case for 'Brexit', you support leaping off a cliff into the unknown!
I can't stop laughing!
Tom
expecting a brexitter to recognise the dramatic irony of being that may be expecting too much..
Another illustration of the sheer superiority of the European Commission over our UK governments. McDonalds are running out of fear of the sort of fines the EC impose, in stark contrast to our governments who allow companies all sorts of unpunished abuses.
EC fines like $112.4 million against Volkswagen in 1998 for cross border price fixing. They are now facing more after the emissions scandal.
And €2.93 billions this year against four truck makers for 14 years of price fixing.
Even the USA buckles to the EC's power. In March 2004, the EU ordered Microsoft to pay €497 million , the largest fine ever handed out by the EU at the time, in addition to previous penalties, which included 120 days to divulge the server information and 90 days to produce a version of Windows without Windows Media Player. Microsoft protested but paid the fine in full in July 2004. They also complied with the accompanying orders.
This is just one of the many reasons why I want to be in the EU, to have fair, just and effective governance of those companies who seek to abuse the ordinary citizen.
This is something our UK governments are not only incapable of, but instead actively participate in the abuse of the individual.
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Notice with interest how Cameron is now saying( what many economists have said before) that Euro is doomed. WTF did he campaign to stay in eu then. ? Or is it he thinks us leaving will bring it down..?
Cameron is second worst priminister we,ve ever had. Blair takes that accolade.
Cameron is second worst priminister we,ve ever had. Blair takes that accolade.
But the hard evidence and the data does not tell us which is the best option, stay or remain. Dependant on what you choose to believe, each option has its perils and remain in no guarantee of security.
In these circumstances, each individual must make a decision as to which path they consider most likely to be best in the long term.
The evidence suggests that nearly 7 out of every 10 people who walked into a polling booth yesterday supported a party who's stated aim is to take the UK out of the EU.
I suspect that for you, this is no laughing matter.
And please, don't brand the 67% of voters as retards or other such derogatory names. That kind of behaviour does you no favours.
May I again refer you to the clip of Jacob Rees-Mogg which I posted yesterday afternoon. This will furnish you with a good example of how to behave with dignity.
But the US managed to get VW to pay compensation to owners who's cars were affected by the emissions scandal. Something which the EU either did not care to do, or failed in achieving.
I'm afraid I don't suffer fools gladly whereas OG is able to show remarkable restraint and I'm trying to learn from him.
That said, even for him there are limits so he has recently taken to extreme measures around his home:
Tom
That said, even for him there are limits so he has recently taken to extreme measures around his home:
Tom
But you are a fool tom, so it must be very difficult for you to live with yourself.
Are you having a sign made which says, "Road Closed due to Retards"? I would have thought that to be much more your level.
Much the same as Mississippi and California or, shudder, Puerto Rico... Puerto Rico is Greece on steroids and yet is being given its austerity medicine by Wall Street where they know how to apply austerity medicine don't they? Isn't this the example we are supposed to follow, starve the poor to save the rich? In the case of Puerto Rico every family has member(s) migrated to the mainland to work and send funds back so that people can survive. This should give you a few good laughs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico#Economy
Italy's third largest bank holds the largest block of bad debt in Europe from the sub-prime crisis still. Bankers gambling with other peoples money has what to do with being in the Euro as a currency? Didn't banks in the UK have to be saved after gambling? Who paid for them to be saved? Did the bankers get punished for behaving badly?
We know you don't like the Euro Dave! Soros didn't like it either because he couldn't speculate against individual currencies any more, all he had left was the pound: "with reports at the time widely noting that Soros's individual profit of £1 billion equated to over £12 for each man, woman and child in Britain". Did you ever get around to asking him for your £12 back? The USA didn't want the UK in it because the Euro would have immediately replaced the dollar as the worlds trading currency.
Corrupt Greece and its billionaire tax evaders should never have been admitted into the Euro, it was a stupid sentimental "Greece the birth place of European civilisation can't be left out" thing. Italy home of the Mafia, Spain where tax evasion has been a national sport since Franco, Portugal more of the same since the dictatorship...
Things are changing slowly but surely, the Euro is holding up well against the dollar despite all the nay saying. the EU must be doing something right.
The readers comments in the Guardian newspaper this morning are saying they have voted Tory to keep ukip out.
It's got that bad, evil ukip & disappointing Labour, I'm so glad I'm not a youngster.
It's got that bad, evil ukip & disappointing Labour, I'm so glad I'm not a youngster.
You cant compare the way you are doing Derf. USA has single controlling government, if a state has problems it can rely on the United States. Greece has to rely on bail outs. The Greeks were desperate to lower valuue of their currency. They simply couldn't.
The infrastructure and support network simply isn't in eu to help impoverished countries. Your other examples are failing economies, hardly a recommendation.
Try telling that to people from Puerto Rico, hey try telling that to people from Mississippi...
Yes fair point.
But when Katrina struck Mississippi almost immediately they had state troopers on scene and cash from central government. What help was eu when there was rioting in Athens over measures EU had enforced..???
Ps Apologies Kiwi...I thought it was derf.
You cant have a single currency without a single controlling fiscal system. There are 28 in eu. Attempting to do so was a massive experiment.
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Labour must do something. They will become 4th party at this rate. Between Blair ,Campbell and now Corbyn labour has been destroyed.
I agree, the USA is well ahead of the UK in many aspects of consumer protection.
But that doesn't alter the fact that the EC is far superior to UK governments in this respect, the latter not only failing but joining in the abuse.
Compared with either side of the big pond, the UK citizen is the loser, except on the many occasions where the EC, the EU and the ECJ have been able to protect us against UK government abuses. Brexit may mean losing all of those protections, with the further threat of losing our Human Rights Act protection.
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Because the EU sets emission standards which are implemented and enforced (or not) by national governments (you know the ones without sovereignty...) and their testing bodies.
"Government regulatory agencies and investigators have initiated proceedings in France, Italy, Germany, Switzerland, Spain, the Netherlands, the Czech Republic and Romania."
For France, the country I know the best, the affair is still currently being prosecuted and has been extended to Renault and Peugeot!