but Italy has had 60 changes of government in 70 years, what's just happened is the norm in Italy. right wingers may try to leap on it as signs of the coming of the great white messiah, and liberals of a more neurotic bend than me may fear that its yet another sign of how dangerously racist and stupid western voters can be, neither of which would be valid
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Combine Rinzi,s departure with fact Hollande wont be standing next term and things are looking quite dire for eu/ euro. ( according to Guardian)
We,ll see..
Its at best trying times for zone.
The by election in Richmond pales to insignificance at side of this.
Times Headline
"Europe braced for upheavel in Italiian Poll"
OG
Its the trouble with us being an insular nation.We dont give much credence to what's happening abroad. Do we ?
We,ll see..
Its at best trying times for zone.
The by election in Richmond pales to insignificance at side of this.
Times Headline
"Europe braced for upheavel in Italiian Poll"
OG
Its the trouble with us being an insular nation.We dont give much credence to what's happening abroad. Do we ?
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The Supreme Court judgement....I find the opening statement for the government by the Attorney General somewhat contradictory.
He has emphasised to the 11 judges that this matter should be settled as a matter of law and not politics. Then he immediately reminds the judges that the referendum was an important aspect of the decision,which surely is a political rather than a judiciary matter.
The Attorney General is considered lightweight and lacking experience in constitutional matters when compared to the claimants legal team.
Assuming that the government loses its case,parliament is already lining up amendments to disrupt the Brexit process,Labour want full access to the single market....it is well known that access to the single market will have to accept free movement.
So much for Nigel Farage's 100,000 march,there are more Remain demonstrators outside the court than Leavers.
KudosDave
He has emphasised to the 11 judges that this matter should be settled as a matter of law and not politics. Then he immediately reminds the judges that the referendum was an important aspect of the decision,which surely is a political rather than a judiciary matter.
The Attorney General is considered lightweight and lacking experience in constitutional matters when compared to the claimants legal team.
Assuming that the government loses its case,parliament is already lining up amendments to disrupt the Brexit process,Labour want full access to the single market....it is well known that access to the single market will have to accept free movement.
So much for Nigel Farage's 100,000 march,there are more Remain demonstrators outside the court than Leavers.
KudosDave
If you were reading Italian or French or Spanish newspapers as well as English ones maybe your world view would be different? English news sources are saying what you want to hear and a strong Euro and a healthy EU are not good news for English readers (or for your American overlords).
Why would the third strongest economy in Europe throw the Euro out the window when the Euro helped strengthen the Italian economy and protected it from speculation against the Lira by the city of London? Pray give us your insights. Oh and btw Italy actually has industry they didn't send all the jobs off to China so their economy is based on more than speculation (sorry "financial services").
Why would the third strongest economy in Europe throw the Euro out the window when the Euro helped strengthen the Italian economy and protected it from speculation against the Lira by the city of London? Pray give us your insights. Oh and btw Italy actually has industry they didn't send all the jobs off to China so their economy is based on more than speculation (sorry "financial services").
Had this referendum been like normal Italian polls I would agree with last comment.
But it was not. You are doing same as country did prior 23rd June. Underestimating depth of peoples anxiety and feelings. There was a 70% turnout and 60% said No . That is massive in any country, unbrlevable in Italy.
There is more to come. 5 Star ( yes radical and I dont like what they are saying) will attract voters. There will be a referendum. They will say out..( IMHO)
We were amazed leave won,Trump won. It will be same in Italy.
Time will tell.
As for replying to " pray tell me"...Suggest you direct your question to Times Financial Report, Guardian and BBC world news. All saying possible consequence dropping out of eu zone/ leaving eu. And yes Italy is 3rd biggest financial player in zone but has highest debt..by some margin and more people in poverty than France / Germany.
But it was not. You are doing same as country did prior 23rd June. Underestimating depth of peoples anxiety and feelings. There was a 70% turnout and 60% said No . That is massive in any country, unbrlevable in Italy.
There is more to come. 5 Star ( yes radical and I dont like what they are saying) will attract voters. There will be a referendum. They will say out..( IMHO)
We were amazed leave won,Trump won. It will be same in Italy.
Time will tell.
As for replying to " pray tell me"...Suggest you direct your question to Times Financial Report, Guardian and BBC world news. All saying possible consequence dropping out of eu zone/ leaving eu. And yes Italy is 3rd biggest financial player in zone but has highest debt..by some margin and more people in poverty than France / Germany.
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Strange that the Italian vote will lead to a Euro bail out from the EU to stabilise its banks,yet the Euro barely wobbled. We have a referendum,not really directly financially linked and the pound bombed.
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KudosDave
Do forum members think that exiting the single market would be good or bad for the economy of the U.K. ?
What would be the after Brexit position of the U.K. If we left the single market?
KudosDave
What would be the after Brexit position of the U.K. If we left the single market?
KudosDave
The Italian, Spanish and Greek people are paying to save migrants from drowning then hosting them on their soil, building shelters and feeding them. And there you are saying their economies are a mess and they have too much debt and the Euro is a bad idea and the EU is a bad idea... The reason that people in these countries are worried about migrants is they see them arriving daily, and on a scale beyond your wildest UK nightmares. And they are footing the bill out of pocket. You only paid for the bombs that chased these migrants from their homes in the first place...
Le Point (French right wing magazine) is not saying what you say the English press is saying. The Italian lunatic fringe is a relatively tiny minority, the referendum was lost because of dissent from within the governing coalition. They are saying that Berlusconi will never allow those parties to gain a foothold in the Italian parliament and will vote with the government to block an early election. There are still people living in Italy who remember what living under a fascist dictator means (and in Spain, and in Greece), do you really think they are keen to go back to those times?
Le Point is also saying that Le Pen is dead in the water because Fillon is as far right as you can go before calling yourself Front National and has stolen a large portion of her voters. He has no agenda to leave the EU or the Euro, in fact he actually has an economic policy whereas Le Pen has none other than leave the Euro and the EU and play it by ear after that.
Maybe you should learn a couple of languages and get your news from the source rather than predigested and rewritten to suit points of view rather than be close to the actual original version?
Le Point (French right wing magazine) is not saying what you say the English press is saying. The Italian lunatic fringe is a relatively tiny minority, the referendum was lost because of dissent from within the governing coalition. They are saying that Berlusconi will never allow those parties to gain a foothold in the Italian parliament and will vote with the government to block an early election. There are still people living in Italy who remember what living under a fascist dictator means (and in Spain, and in Greece), do you really think they are keen to go back to those times?
Le Point is also saying that Le Pen is dead in the water because Fillon is as far right as you can go before calling yourself Front National and has stolen a large portion of her voters. He has no agenda to leave the EU or the Euro, in fact he actually has an economic policy whereas Le Pen has none other than leave the Euro and the EU and play it by ear after that.
Maybe you should learn a couple of languages and get your news from the source rather than predigested and rewritten to suit points of view rather than be close to the actual original version?
Perhaps I should but I know folk on here should be more tolerant of other peoples opinions, a characteristic sadly lacking.
I believe for various reasons Italy will hold an eu referendum. You believe otherwise but I certainly dont need to be told to learn another language and read foreign newspapers by you or to hold that opinion.
Kudos
Don't you think all the argument ,procrastination etc is more damaging than either in or out. Its not the decision making UK look weak its the process we are going through now.
Personally dont think in or out is such a big deal. The status quo will be maintained either way..
Don't you think all the argument ,procrastination etc is more damaging than either in or out. Its not the decision making UK look weak its the process we are going through now.
Personally dont think in or out is such a big deal. The status quo will be maintained either way..
I didn't "tell" anybody anything of the sort:
Tolerant - "Maybe you should...
Not tolerant - "Learn a few languages before you start spouting off about what other countries think..."
Did you notice the difference above? If not maybe you should do a refresher on the English language...
Yep...ofcourse...but doing it again.." Maybe I should take an English refressher course"
Maybe you should feck off.
If I use maybe, apparently its not offensive.?
Amazing that you don't have any sense of irony when using phrases like this
"Perhaps I should but I know folk on here should be more tolerant of other peoples opinions, a characteristic sadly lacking."
When you are in fact way ahead of everyone else in that regard?
Don't you think it's time you stopped using a substitute swear word when launching childish attacks on people and learned to express yourself as a functioning adult?
He is living in a separate reality OG, one where a tiny lunatic fringe in the third largest economy in Europe suddenly takes power and flushes all the wealth down the sink. He read it in the UK press so it must be the truth. The UK press being specialised it seems in the new trend of post-truth reporting where everything you publish becomes reality.
of course not. you have every right to take the view
"whatever it is, I'm against it."