Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

You seem very well informed about such matters ?
Perhaps nursecould tighten your straps up a bit to limit length of your posts.

OG
You are very quick to point out others being misled by media but fail into the very trap yourself. There has been a smear campaign against both Boris and Farage...some stuff based on reality, some exaggerated, some made up..its same with all folk in public eye. Some realise this and treat all reports with a pinch of salt . You are very selective with your salt seller. Everything anti Brexit is absolute truth, everything pro brexit lies . The more reasoned ( and sane) amongst us try and see both siides and base opinions on facts .( eg. Luxembourg is richest country in EU, Junkers is their ex priminister,and now head of EU, none coincidental IMO)

Be a bit more liberal with the salt OG..

This is rather like hearing the Fawlty Towers classic Basil retort when the Guest cried in outrage
"You have insulted the Good name of France"
And Basil responded
"Don't be ridiculous France hasn't got a good name!"
Do you imagine I am unaware of the smears that go around?
I am an equal opportunities kind of guy, and quick to point out when something in Favour of Brexit appears in the media.
It isn't my fault that when they are examined in detail they prove to be Chocolate Fireguards, is it?
I'm a little puzzled why you think there are any facts to base an opinion on Brexit on, when if facts the only available facts are as follows
The referendum was Advisory only, a fact not publicised in order to avoid people rightly concluding it wasn't worth bothering to vote
The leave side achieved a shallow victory that they determined themselves would have been inconclusive had it gone the other way by the same degree, and unacceptable
Cameron reneged on his promise
Farage raised the spectre of mob violence unless the Government went for Brexit
Boris has changed sides, and will almost certainly do so again.
The issue has split the country down the middle.
The right wing press has set new standards of bending the truth and spreading lies and rumours, leaving the left wing trailing as there is less money available
The legal system has been mocked and the Authority of parliament called into question
As usual the stock market has played this for all it's worth .
Foreign businesses have resorted to a form of Blackmail to remain for rewards of a type and nature kept secret from the public.

You will note not a single "fact" that provides any clue as to the value on going ahead with this, meanwhile you still keep rabbiting on about Junckers as you call him, which is actually nothing whatever to do with Brexit, just you doing the very thing you accuse me of by vilifying the man.
"Whatever it is, you're against it!"
Perhaps taking your own advice might be a good idea?

 

[flecc]

The objectors, both back in the 1970s and now, lack the ability to understand that the ridicule was actually targeted at the pompous and aloof English attitude. All of the vulnerabilities and insecurities associated with this stereotypical English attitude are then exploited for comedy effect. The Spanish immigrant is actually the clever one who escapes with dignity.

This shouldn't be accorded much importance though. Then as now the objectors are very few, the vast majority of the public getting it correctly as you have. Almost universally "Basil Faulty" was seen as the idiot and racist and "Manuel" got all the sympathy.

The huge success of the recent repeats and requests for further repeats proved that these are still true.
.

 

[Zlatan]

Tom
A good post ruined by including "tory scum"
Attlee set in action fantastic social reform. From Butler Act for education, to NHS and housing. They paid scant regard to our economy and set in it a decline that needed Thatcher to get us out of. Yes, in some aspects a terrible priminister , in others incredible. Trouble is country needs both, that's the conflict in politics.

OG
Your last ramble doesn't justify a reply.
Get the salt out and have your straps tightened,you might do yourself some damage otherwise.

 

[oldgroaner]

A good post ruined by including "tory scum"
Attlee set in action fantastic social reform. From Butler Act for education, to NHS and housing. They paid scant regard to our economy and set in it a decline that needed Thatcher to get us out of. Yes, in some aspects a terrible priminister , in others incredible. Trouble is country needs both, that's the conflict in politics

Thatcher got us out of what? apart from being an industrial nation?

 

[Zlatan]

This shouldn't be accorded much importance though. Then as now the objectors are very few, the vast majority of the public getting it correctly as you have. Almost universally "Basil Faulty" was seen as the idiot and racist and "Manuel" got all the sympathy.

The huge success of the recent repeats and requests for further repeats proved that these are still true.
.

It could not be made/ filmed now Flecc, even though what you say is true.

 

[Zlatan]

Thatcher got us out of what? apart from being an industrial nation?

I,m not going there OG. Its OT.
And I was speaking to Tom. Its rude to interrupt.
Just because you have an opinion on everything doesn't mean you have to express it.
But to explain.
Tom puts our re-emergence as a relatively wealthy nation to eu. I put it down to Thatcher and her use if Keynisn.( might be spelt wrong) He was an early economist who shaped Thatcher,s views. Yes ,she damaged country ( especially north) and her treatment of miners in 84 was scandalous. But we need both the economic policies of Tories ( generally) and the social reform of labour. We are fecked without either! That's the irony and why Blair worked until the fool took us to war. And its exactly why we have no viable labour government. Blair...he destroyed labour .


And BTW by 79 we were no longer an industrial nation...we just thought we were. Every major industry was costing country money. Yes perhaps through bad management, neglect, poor investment. Rightly or wrongly Thatcher tackled the problems and implemented keynism policies, with which we saw unheralded growth in FTSE throughout 80,s. Nothing at all to do with eu.

 

[oldgroaner]

It could not be made/ filmed now Flecc, even though what you say is true.

Agreed!

 

[flecc]

Attlee set in action fantastic social reform. From Butler Act for education, to NHS and housing. They paid scant regard to our economy and set in it a decline that needed Thatcher to get us out of. Yes, in some aspects a terrible priminister , in others incredible. Trouble is country needs both, that's the conflict in politics.

Well summed up, apart from the Thatcher bit. Her economic bubble of a service based economy quickly collapsed in 1991, being just another repeat of "boom and bust".
.

 

[oldgroaner]

I,m not going there OG. Its OT.

Thanks for the smile, am I permitted to offer that has never stopped you in the past?
I.M.H.O etc.

 

[oldgroaner]

Tom
A good post ruined by including "tory scum"
Attlee set in action fantastic social reform. From Butler Act for education, to NHS and housing. They paid scant regard to our economy and set in it a decline that needed Thatcher to get us out of. Yes, in some aspects a terrible priminister , in others incredible. Trouble is country needs both, that's the conflict in politics.

OG
Your last ramble doesn't justify a reply.
Get the salt out and have your straps tightened,you might do yourself some damage otherwise.

Now you're just getting lazy, or perhaps running out of material?

 

[flecc]

It could not be made/ filmed now Flecc, even though what you say is true.

Maybe not, but don't forget "Til Death do us Part" has had a revival version, albeit softened a bit.

Much is often unfairly made about British racism and racist sensitivities and them being unacceptable elsewhere, when in fact they equally exist elsewhere. "Faulty Towers" was successfully repeated in many countries, but in much of Europe "Manuel" was portrayed as a Mexican for example, and as another race elsewhere in the world.

Clearly these foreigners get our sense of humour and have as many sensitivities about who can be insulted.
.

 

[Zlatan]

Maybe not, but don't forget "Til Death do us Part" has had a revival version, albeit softened a bit.

Much is often unfairly made about British racism and racist sensitivities and them being unacceptable elsewhere, when in fact they equally exist elsewhere. "Faulty Towers" was successfully repeated in many countries, but in much of Europe "Manuel" was portrayed as a Mexican for example, and as another race elsewhere in the world.

Clearly these foreigners get our sense of humour and have as many sensitivities about who can be insulted.
.

Totally agreed Flecc. I was going to make same point but got distracted. Real humour transcends race.

 

[oldgroaner]

I,m not going there OG. Its OT.
And I was speaking to Tom. Its rude to interrupt.
Just because you have an opinion on everything doesn't mean you have to express it.
But to explain.
Tom puts our re-emergence as a relatively wealthy nation to eu. I put it down to Thatcher and her use if Keynisn.( might be spelt wrong) He was an early economist who shaped Thatcher,s views. Yes ,she damaged country ( especially north) and her treatment of miners in 84 was scandalous. But we need both the economic policies of Tories ( generally) and the social reform of labour. We are fecked without either! That's the irony and why Blair worked until the fool took us to war. And its exactly why we have no viable labour government. Blair...he destroyed labour .


And BTW by 79 we were no longer an industrial nation...we just thought we were. Every major industry was costing country money. Yes perhaps through bad management, neglect, poor investment. Rightly or wrongly Thatcher tackled the problems and implemented keynism policies, with which we saw unheralded growth in FTSE throughout 80,s. Nothing at all to do with eu.

Rude to interrupt? Quite right you do after all hold the patent on that.
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[Wicky]

It could not be made/ filmed now Flecc, even though what you say is true.

Ali G, Borat...

 

[oldtom]

This shouldn't be accorded much importance though. Then as now the objectors are very few, the vast majority of the public getting it correctly as you have. Almost universally "Basil Faulty" was seen as the idiot and racist and "Manuel" got all the sympathy.

The huge success of the recent repeats and requests for further repeats proved that these are still true.
.

It is worth mentioning that although we may regard the programme as a vehicle for a particularly English type of humour, it has been bought up by several countries with adjustments as appropriate, to the waiter's nationality for example. I know from German, French and Spanish friends that 'Fawlty Towers' is regarded as a very funny show by their compatriots. Not all humour is international but there is a great deal which travels well and the slightly slapstick variety certainly does.

Tom

 

[oldtom]

Tom puts our re-emergence as a relatively wealthy nation to eu.

It is evident from the drivel you continue to purvey that you still haven't read the first 7,000 or so posts in this thread or you would know better.

The single comment above I have extracted from your post #7607, (which in its entirety reads like the ravings of a lunatic), is just nonsense and a lie. Perhaps unsurprisingly, I have never made reference to any 're-emergence as a relatively wealthy nation'. You really should be careful about quoting other people's words as getting things wrong as often as you do does little to establish credence in your strangely mixed-up, opinionated rants.

Tom

 

[Zlatan]

My sincere apologies Tom, interpreted that you believed much of what was good in UK had come from EU..You obviously think differently..
Having said that I don't think my post was that inflamatory, I was actually trying to justify your stance.
You seem to be able to find insult....even when none intended.
Take care Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

Speaking purely to myself (so don't interrupt, it's rude,) I think Zlatan is just taking an opportunity to distort Toms words, perhaps not deliberately, it could be just random brain noise.
A fairly common complaint among the terminally argumentative, and I should know by Jove!
I.M.I.O

 

[oldgroaner]

It is evident from the drivel you continue to purvey that you still haven't read the first 7,000 or so posts in this thread or you would know better.

The single comment above I have extracted from your post #7607, (which in its entirety reads like the ravings of a lunatic), is just nonsense and a lie. Perhaps unsurprisingly, I have never made reference to any 're-emergence as a relatively wealthy nation'. You really should be careful about quoting other people's words as getting things wrong as often as you do does little to establish credence in your strangely mixed-up, opinionated rants.

Tom

Permission to come aboard Tom?
Assuming the answer was yes, I have to confess to a deplorable failure of mine to place close enough attention to the posting you refer to as I didn't perceive any part of it to qualify it as "the ravings of a lunatic" even compared to my humble efforts it lacked a certain cachet, and you were over generous in your praise.
But with work, and the astonishing fact that by his own admission "I can read" uniquely qualifies him to progress, he will go far.
By the way "opinionated" also seems a loose fit, would "contradictory, "confusing" or indeed "Bizarre" not fit better?
I.M.H.O etc.

 

[oldgroaner]

Ali G, Borat...

Very Droll!