Brexit, for once some facts.

[trex]

repeat after me,
We're all leavers now

you can pray every day if you want, the reality is May's government cannot deliver brexit before the next general election. Will the next government be a brexit one? I doubt it.
That's why the risk to foreign investors has somewhat lessened and the Pound recovers a little.

 

[gray198]

Long ago I had her down as potentially another Thatcher, opinionated, domineering and taking advice from no-one. As P.M. she's looking that way already.
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At least give her a chance

 

[Kudoscycles]

Ok, so you couldn't be turned on the choice of cabinet, so here goes your 2nd challenge
If the economy is so tits up as Cameron and Osborne and Carney tried to portray
How come he left interest rates as they were
Ah!! Weeeeere doooomed!!!

Because he was frightened that even a small change in the interest rates would spook the markets and cause the £ to come under renewed pressure without offering much in the way of stimulus.
KudosDave

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

Can you tell me one good reason, and one bad reason for submitting article 50 in such a hurry, like day 1 of a new government, come on

I can't think of a good reason to submit it on any day, so you've got me there.

 

[flecc]

At least give her a chance

As I said, long ago, since she's already shown her colours as Home Secretary for six years, so for me she's had her chance to show who she is.

But that doesn't mean I disapprove yet in her new PM role, that will depend on the quality of her decisions and their outcomes.
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[trex]

I much like her to spend her time dealing with real issues that affect everyone like sorting out the 24 hours NHS, Trident, HS2, Heathrow 3rd runway, etc and leave brexit in the hands of our trio brexiteers.
They'll be busy until end of 2017 to sketch out their plan and then, maybe they'll ask the EU to give them more time to negotiate.

 

[Kudoscycles]

I admire your optimism, repeat after me,
We're all leavers now

Yeh thats what Evans and Redwood keep banging on....we voted for out,so we are now just a happy club of leavers and we all have to accept it.
There are 400 plus members of parliament and 16 million (probably more now they have site of what Brexit really means)public who dont accept Brexit.
At the moment May is in the honeymoon period,no Tory is going to stand up and say 'I hate Brexit',but wait awhile until the Brexit team are obviously not delivering what Leavers want and the EU is making life hell for them and some brave MPs will say the current unthinkable,should we stay in?
Its lucky for May that Labour is in such a mess,if they were any opposition they should be shouting 'Remain'.
Question time tonight will be interesting....I wonder if anyone will ask how we trigger Article 50 and repeal the 1972 European Communites Act....bit too heavy for QT,most of the public havent yet grasped that the referendum had no power in law and want to know when we are kicking the migrants out.
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

Can you tell me one good reason, and one bad reason for submitting article 50 in such a hurry, like day 1 of a new government, come on

One good reason for submitting Article 50.....no I can't,I keep asking on this forum what is good about leaving the EU and nobody responds.
One bad reason....there are obviously many,perhaps the top of the list is that our young people need free movement of labour to secure a job.But the immediate bad reason is that if we triggered Article 50 without repealing the 1972 ECA Act,then we would still be answerable to EU laws without any means to cancel them.....I cannot believe anyone would want that,Leaver or Remainer.
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

I much like her to spend her time dealing with real issues that affect everyone like sorting out the 24 hours NHS, Trident, HS2, Heathrow 3rd runway, etc and leave brexit in the hands of our trio brexiteers.
They'll be busy until end of 2017 to sketch out their plan and then, maybe they'll ask the EU to give them more time to negotiate.

Hammond said 6 years....thats convenient 4 years takes us to 2020,new General Election the 2 years to exhaust Brexit. That is unless May and Merkel dream up some wonderful deal and May will present that deal in the 2020 Manifesto and she will seek a mandate in the General Election,she hasnt got much competition at the moment.
By then we will all have forgotten about Brexit,the Boris trio will have failed miserably and joined Cameron on the after dinner speaking circuit,maybe at the budget end,after lots of drink,paired up with Tony Blair.
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

The first words from our new chancellor,dont sound very pro Brexit to me....

The new Chancellor of the Exchequer, Philip Hammond, has said the UK's vote to leave the European Union has "rattled" financial markets.

He added the UK would face "challenges" in managing the economy, because it had suffered a "shock" as a result of the Brexit vote.

He said the decision had caused companies to put plans on hold.

Dont forget that Hammond was a leader in 'project fear' prior to the referendum.

KudosDave

 

[BrendanJ]

The first words from our new chancellor,dont sound very pro Brexit to me....

The new Chancellor of the Exchequer, Philip Hammond, has said the UK's vote to leave the European Union has "rattled" financial markets.

He added the UK would face "challenges" in managing the economy, because it had suffered a "shock" as a result of the Brexit vote.

He said the decision had caused companies to put plans on hold.

Dont forget that Hammond was a leader in 'project fear' prior to the referendum.

KudosDave

I hope he is better as chancellor, as he is a mouth on a stick
Can't change his spots I understand, but how stupid. Someone tell him he is no longer on the campaign trail but is responsible for managing the economy, which sometimes involves talking it up
Ha, you lot wouldn't be any help to him would you

 

[BrendanJ]

changing the subject slightly, no changing it a lot!

Don't you think it is a ridiculously small salary that MPs get paid. The effects of which are,

- the only people that go for it are either at the low end of capability, they cannot do anything else and have never had a real job, of the ilk, pay peanuts gets monkeys

- or they are of independent means, the elite, out of touch with the electorate and the wishes and desires of normal people. Do it for the fun, spot of politics game, fill some time before daddy retires at-the bank

- or they are the intelligentsia more motivated by the intellectual challenge, and usually of the extreme persuasion, left and right but predominantly left, good hearts, or so they think but bugger all chance of being in government

- no industrialists, businessman , professionals would touch it with a barge pole, why should they and we need that experience, only chance is through the back door I e knighthood.

- those that do get involved are prone to fiddling their expenses or having side jobs including payoffs from the lobbyists, so mouths on sticks. Got to feed the kids somehow, and of course the mistress,, it's a long week in the city for gods sake
Finally they have such a short career and fraught with uncertainty, they are all up for feathering there nests and the next job, so you can't trust a word they say

My view is there is a very good arguement for paying them more, shock horror from the left persuasion, not because the current lot deserve it, but to get some better ones

Feel free to post anything here, it is completely off topic and I am interested in all views

 

[oldgroaner]

Can you tell me one good reason, and one bad reason for submitting article 50 in such a hurry, like day 1 of a new government, come on

The Good reason.
Something like because the Brexit voters were promised it by the Prime Minister,and it would be nice if even one promise was kept

The bad reason
Nobody wants to take responsibility.but they have volunteered a mug to do it with bribes and promises.

 

[oldgroaner]

I hope he is better as chancellor, as he is a mouth on a stick
Can't change his spots I understand, but how stupid. Someone tell him he is no longer on the campaign trail but is responsible for managing the economy, which sometimes involves talking it up
Ha, you lot wouldn't be any help to him would you

Which should surely make you wonder who's side he's on?

 

[tillson]

I knew I'd seen Theresa May's husband before.

 

[oldgroaner]

changing the subject slightly, no changing it a lot!

Don't you think it is a ridiculously small salary that MPs get paid. The effects of which are,

- the only people that go for it are either at the low end of capability, they cannot do anything else and have never had a real job, of the ilk, pay peanuts gets monkeys

- or they are of independent means, the elite, out of touch with the electorate and the wishes and desires of normal people. Do it for the fun, spot of politics game, fill some time before daddy retires at-the bank

- or they are the intelligentsia more motivated by the intellectual challenge, and usually of the extreme persuasion, left and right but predominantly left, good hearts, or so they think but bugger all chance of being in government

- no industrialists, businessman , professionals would touch it with a barge pole, why should they and we need that experience, only chance is through the back door I e knighthood.

- those that do get involved are prone to fiddling their expenses or having side jobs including payoffs from the lobbyists, so mouths on sticks. Got to feed the kids somehow, and of course the mistress,, it's a long week in the city for gods sake
Finally they have such a short career and fraught with uncertainty, they are all up for feathering there nests and the next job, so you can't trust a word they say

My view is there is a very good arguement for paying them more, shock horror from the left persuasion, not because the current lot deserve it, but to get some better ones

Feel free to post anything here, it is completely off topic and I am interested in all views

The question is fundamentally what level of intelligence and experience is required to be an MP?
Assume for the sake of argument that someone who qualifies for Jury Duty fits the bill, then we could simply have a national raffle and the winners get the jobs.
However if a higher level of competence is involved the Imperial Chinese method education and examination to the Mandarin Class would be the preferred option perhaps.
The choice of either option also depends on the extent that the Civil Service (The Government)exert power over politicians, (Parliament)and directs their thoughts and actions.
Or indeed for that matter the Murdochs of this world too

 

[BrendanJ]

Which should surely make you wonder who's side he's on?

OG
I have to also say to you, the referendum is over, no sides now
He is a member of the cabinet and I think the idea is that he works for the good of country, talking it down as chancellor is what the last one did
Funny isn't it the number of people that manage to miss the whole point
Some, even, all of the time

 

[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

OG
I have to also say to you, the referendum is over, no sides now
He is a member of the cabinet and I think the idea is that he works for the good of country, talking it down as chancellor is what the last one did
Funny isn't it the number of people that manage to miss the whole point
Some, even, all of the time

Yep, there's just so many OGnarant people on here !

 

[flecc]

changing the subject slightly, no changing it a lot!

Don't you think it is a ridiculously small salary that MPs get paid.

I agree, a small return might have been suitable in the far off days when politics was dominated by a wealthy upper class with a sense of vocation, but in post WW2 days it's been a problem for those with no wealth. I remember how bad it was in the 1980s and '90s when London Underground drivers earned a basic of over double that of MPs.

It's proportionally much better now than it was then, but still the reward is more relative to vocation than an adequate return. Little wonder they earn so much more after leaving parliament.
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[oldgroaner]

Yep, there's just so many OGnarant people on here !

And Fluddites too!