before you get entirely carried away with your new paradigm bear in mind that, say, Singapore has had to sign free trade agreements with all its neighbours, and as a result four out of every ten of Singapore's population are first generation immigrants. Insular short sighted xenophobia and healthy economic growth dont go together.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Have you ever visited Singapore, or Malaysia,. I have on business many times. They actually need and want labour and are happy to sign such deals to trade in markets around them in return for allowing workers to come to their country, but don't fool yourself they are well controlled and come on fixed term contracts mostly. They are rarely allowed to stay indefinitely and certainly would not be able to claim benefits or health care and living conditions , well......
Singapore has a largely open door policy to migrants, more so than the EU, it was a major issue in the 2011 generla election and came to a hea dwith teh 2013 Little Inidia Riot (I'm married to a singaporean, trust me i know it). But google wont have told you that.
Maybe you should put your wife on the thread, because you know bugger all about Singapore. I have traded and done business there for many years, .they need labour for sure and bring it in, but don't confuse that with immigration as we know it
why did i bother responding to an unemployd fantasist who lives with his mother and spends his time trolling?
contrary to the perception of some here (who should really think of better things to do than googling the meaning of words such as immigration. Sheesh brendan, where to start? get a bloody life) Singapore really has a more open economy and immigration policy than the EU. Try to come to the EU as an unskilled worker from the third world legally.
"With respect to citizenship, eligibility for the foreign born is limited to those who are at least 21 years of age and who have been PRs for at least two to six years immediately prior to the date of application. According to Singapore's Immigration and Checkpoints Authority (ICA), citizenship applicants must also be "of good character," intend to reside permanently in Singapore, and be able to support themselves and their dependents financially.
According to media reports, 20,153 immigrants became citizens in 2008, continuing an upward trend from 17,334 in 2007; 13,200 in 2006; 12,900 in 2005; and 7,600 in 2004. In 2009 however, the number of new citizens fell slightly to 19,928. This slump was also mirrored in the annual uptake of permanent residency, which more than doubled from 36,900 in 2004 to 79,167 in 2008 but suffered a decrease to 59,460 in 2009. Sharper declines were recorded for both citizenship and permanent residency in 2010, ahead of the May 2011 general elections"
What a joke, and all those numbers came out of your head I suppose, or did you ask the wife. No google for you eh! Those numbers are actually quite small if you think on it. And as you point out are very well controlled, we cannot even give a count to nearest 100k, never mind actual number
And huge numbers are temp contract only, you know have to go back, so never get to qualify
And as I said many times immigration is not the point of Brexit, although you keep trying to bring it back to it. Get a life
As you know well Dave the immigration card has been well over done, in this debate and an informed conversation would start with defining the different types, students, temp work, permanent immagration requests, refugees. From Europe or outside Europe, required for vacancies or just sleeping rough on the streetsnothing is permanent.... so apart from that it makes perfect sense
But we can't even count them, we just don't know, what better argument for control, and of course the EU can't countenance that, until it suits them and they start erecting fences and quota,s and simply ignoring the rules altogether, which is one point the Brits could learn from other European countries
Brendan, Singapore's population is 5.4 millions. Population of UK is 65 millions. 50,000 immigrants into Singapore produce a similar reaction as 600,000 immigrating into the UK.
I don't confuse them, but apparently you regard threats as a legitimate political tool and that we have a right to dictate policy to the other 28 nations in the EU so that we enjoy terms no one else has.
Once again you are trying to make light of the true situation, my tendency is to see though the myths and observe the true reason for what you are really proposing.
Have you forgotten that you actually confirmed the strategy you believed in on that earlier post?
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Two level system is good, The Euro area with full Fiscal and political union and the rest, outside the Euro but part of the Common market, and outside of Free movement area so accommodating new entrants, even Turkey
Frankly this is basically what we are asking for"
Except now you think even more direct threats will get better result
You cannot really believe such strong arm tactics are likely to be a success, yet you still keep trotting them out as if there is some reason to believe what are simply dreams will come true.
The Europeans will see through this charade for what it is.
Just the UK behaving like a schoolyard bully.
The EU and its devout followers really need to have a good look at themselves.
Its accepted that their view on tax is immoral in respect to Luxembourg. Just google the the list of companies involved. Its thousands. Then look at what they have done to help prevent attacks like yesterday's. They have talked about it...in reality they have done nothing. And before all you indoctrinated eu supporters starrt cutting and pasting facts to prove otherwise, that was Abdrew Mitchel,s opinion. ( foreign affairs for International development 2010 to 2012)
The EU is failing economically, socially and it seems defensively..
Its accepted that their view on tax is immoral in respect to Luxembourg. Just google the the list of companies involved. Its thousands. Then look at what they have done to help prevent attacks like yesterday's. They have talked about it...in reality they have done nothing. And before all you indoctrinated eu supporters starrt cutting and pasting facts to prove otherwise, that was Abdrew Mitchel,s opinion. ( foreign affairs for International development 2010 to 2012)
The EU is failing economically, socially and it seems defensively..
Correction to the last paragraph
"Everything" to lose, and only 52% are leavers now, the rest are unwilling victims. Who will need to be kept happy for the sake of peace.
What will you do when there is a shift to the continent and far east of the Finance industries and there are cut backs in the output of foreign manufacturing companies who see the economic sense of reducing output here to just service this home market?
We have never been "Under the EU thumb " in reality,we have played them for what we could and that is what you are hoping to do now.
By a playing a very dangerous game of Chicken.
"protectionism and slow slow pace of change through burdensome consensus and bureaucracy."
Getting rid of all that works wonders with the Banks didn't it?
Come off it, with the Abysmal quality of politicians, British Management ,a virtually non existent Manufacturing industry, Financiers who would sooner invest in China, and Bankers who would get thrown overboard for being greedy on a pirate ship, and an imbecile in the Foreign office too, we are heading downhill.
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Liam Fox is asking Canada for advice on Ceta.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/15/uk-canada-advice-post-brexit-trade-deals-eu-ceta
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/15/uk-canada-advice-post-brexit-trade-deals-eu-ceta
same andrew mitchel implicated in tax avoidance, voted in support of the death penalty (and of course swore at the police). What are you comparing the EU to? Norway and breivik? USA and 9/11 or san bernadino or orlando nightclub shootings? UK and 7/7 or Jo Cox's murder etc
apologies, yes (reading and typing at the same time), so flud, what are you comparing teh eu to?
so, thick little racist pig too. Quelle surprise.