I agree, but try to remember that we are taliking about future control of movement, not ejecting current residents, and even then Controling free movement is not the same as eliminating it
In taking that view you are either mislead or misleading
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In taking that view you are either mislead or misleading
well, a week ago that wasnt clear, with May sounding off about using eu nationals as bargaining chips. And even if that is clear, how would the uk have responded if the eu chose to control future movement of uk nationals there? woudl the uk government then feel grateful if the eu rescinded and agreed not to expel current uk nationals, but prevent future movement (as the dear old tory party seem to have decided in its infinite self centred stupidity and infighting after May spouted off)? i doubt it.
If only it were true, Im afraid such intention has been hijacked by the commision and its own intentions. Thats the concern of not just the UK but many other countries, and until they change the mechanisms and reign in the commision which is off the leash like a rabid dog, then the EU will fail.
I hope not but it has to change and its slowness in making that happen is a bigger threat to EU than Brexit. Brexit is simply a symptom of the problem
It is sometimes difficult to know the difference between individual ministers views and also the many soundbites, and what is government policy, and what has been agreed for sure. But you have to read between the lines and use some common sense when you hear things especially most of us hear it through the press.
Especially at the moment that the Government of tomorrow is a work in progress only and as well as being subject of a new leader will invariable involve a reshuffled cabinet. The only firm thing (if we can say that ) Is Leave means leave. The government has got the message, even if some of you have not
Don't be so easily fooled. Yes we'll leave, but I think the form that departure takes may well leave you very dissatisfied.
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How wrong you are, you only have to look at our own field to know that. The EU made a set of rules to permit pedelecs free of motor vehicle bureacracy, in addition to two other classes of moped.
That left an eventual need for a faster class which Germany filled with a national S class of pedelecs. Any national government in the EU could have done that. When the EU saw the sense of the German decision they threw it open for any EU country.
But we in the UK cannot enjoy it, simply because our UK government won't permit it. The same goes for many other vehicle freedoms that other EU countries enjoy but we are forbidden by needless restrictions.
Please look at the reality rather than the versions of it propagated by the right wing press and our government. So much of what we suffer is of our own making, just ask our commercial fishermen.
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if various leaders in the EU made the kind of xenophobic noises our government has (whether individually or collectively), we'd be upset. Aside from that it doesnt matter whether "we or the government got the message that leave means leave". Overseas investors (who have kept UK out of very deep debt for years) and an EU who are entirely entitled to impose trade barriers on us are getting that message. I despise uk politicans as much as anyone else, but even so realise there arent any left that are psychopathic enough to take a road of full exit that ends up with us being beneath albania in world per capita income rankings in five years.
Derf, you really need to get a hold of yourself with this tendency to doom and gloom and exaggeration. The Vote is over you know!!!!
http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit02.pdfDerf, you really need to get a hold of yourself with this tendency to doom and gloom and exaggeration. The Vote is over you know!!!!
have aread, it's quite brief - 9.5% decrease in per capita income short term..
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To say otherwise is simply panic and a misunderstanding about how economics works
Simple example you talk about bikes please consider
- If your bikes go up by 10% then most likely so will your competion, the world does not end
- If some of your bikes dont go up, ie different supplier, then buy from them, buy from China
The low £ helps local manufactures, there costs will be more competitive
What is more serious, some imports being more expensive or more exports and more jobs and by definition more people with more money to spend
I would really like to suggest as the vote is actually over and instead of defending entrenched positions you at least try to look at pros and cons which would be the mature approach at this point
change rates go up, and they go down, and there is almost invariable winners and losers, benefits and downsides. Just take a look at the ex change rates over the last 5 years and you will see we have seen such range of movements before (admittedly not in the space of a few days). Our business's can and do deal with them and by and large we carry on as before.
To say otherwise is simply panic and a misunderstanding about how economics works
Simple example you talk about bikes please consider
- If your bikes go up by 10% then most likely so will your competion, the world does not end
- If some of your bikes dont go up, ie different supplier, then buy from them, buy from China
The low £ helps local manufactures, there costs will be more competitive
What is more serious, some imports being more expensive or more exports and more jobs and by definition more people with more money to spend
I would really like to suggest as the vote is actually over and instead of defending entrenched positions you at least try to look at pros and cons which would be the mature approach at this point
Perhaps you would like to explain to us all, in your own words what per capita income means for all us dummies, without quoting and without links. You know just to show you know a dam thing about what you are talking about
I don't live in a small world, I merely made the example relevant to this website's membership. The point being that national governments within the EU have considerable freedom to act independently and are usually not blocked in that by EU rigidity.
Such rigidity that does exist is there to ensure a truly free market.
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no, i do not need to patronise anyone. I also dont need to prove anything. That isnt what brexit is about. it is about the most significant damage done by teh most uninformed UK voters to themselves and others since world war two. Read the article. It's a good one, written by much cleverer peopel than you or me.
i guess i am, in a sense. i think in the cold light of day we are all learning a great deal we didnt know from brexit, and we are all unfortunately also waking up to something very bad, that can hopefully be avoided.
Its not just about exchange rates, if we leave the EU, and have a deal like say Switzerland... then we'll be subjected to tariff's on imported goods (like we are currently from outside the EU). In Switzerland the tarrif is 9% on bikes, so that means we'd see another jump that isn't tied to exhange rates of over 10%, because in addition to the tarrif all importers (like us) will be charge admin fees by the couriers and we'll have to deal with VAT on everything upfront, unlike the current internal EU system where VAT is deducted. Even if the £ recovers everything in the UK is going to be a lot more expensive. There is a reason its not cheap to live in Norway / Switzerland.
Tarrifs, yes if we do not get a deal, but it is frankly inconceivable to me that germany as the main pay master of europe would tolerate such a scenario. It cuts both ways
The vengefull thinking of the Commission will be overtaken by the pragmatic thinking of Merkel and indeed other events for Europe in the next 2 years.
Change is coming and it will be thanks to the brexit vote
Dare i say it we might not even leave in the end, we allways said we wanted to stay in a "Reformed EU" but the commision thought we were pussies and cameron bottled the negotiations, and frankly I believe the real reason we opted to leave was Cameron and Osborne disrespecting the electorate with all of its lies and propoganda
People dont like being talked down to. Never the less the result was the right one, for the sake of Europe as a whole
BREXIT has not happened yet, what you are seeing is the turbulance of markets based on speculation, misinformation and frankly an outrageoue campaign by Cameron and osborne who have seriously sold the country down the swanny.
I am sure there must be some grounds for arresting them for Treason for what they have done.
Never the less if you want to actually judge Brexit you have at least 2 years to wait