in a different context a worrying question, I was reflecting with a friend yesterday how everyone suddenly insisting eu migrants "shouldn't worry at all about being here" had quite the opposite effect, including momentary visions of a gauleiter shouting that the train is indeed going somewhere lovely..
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Lagarde urges speedy Brexit deal as City sees pound hitting new lows – as it happened
Mohamed El-Erian of Allianz warned that sterling could hit record lows unless UK government comes up with a credible plan"
There is only one credible plan. FORGET the whole damn silly idea of leaving the EU.
But of course we have blithering idiots not only in Government but in the opposition too, only the God Forsaken remnant of the Lib Dems has dared to oppose the will of 52%
Who see Nirvana as living in a betting shop where there is a chance of a quick profit.
And stand up for the 48% who are fitted with a working brain who value stability and peace above profit.
Lagarde urges speedy Brexit deal as City sees pound hitting new lows – as it happened
Mohamed El-Erian of Allianz warned that sterling could hit record lows unless UK government comes up with a credible plan"
There is only one credible plan. FORGET the whole damn silly idea of leaving the EU.
But of course we have blithering idiots not only in Government but in the opposition too, only the God Forsaken remnant of the Lib Dems has dared to oppose the will of 52%
Who see Nirvana as living in a betting shop where there is a chance of a quick profit.
And stand up for the 48% who are fitted with a working brain who value stability and peace above profit.
Now for a little comic relief
"Work is under way in secret at Britain’s nuclear bomb factory to upgrade the existing Trident arsenal and to develop an entirely new warhead, according to a report from the Nuclear Information Service.
The Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE) at Aldermaston and Burghfield in Berkshire is working on a programme to upgrade the current UK Trident warhead to produce the “Mark 4A”, which will be more accurate and have greater destructive power, the report says. The costs and timetable of the programme have not been revealed to parliament.
In secret eh? well at least it is from the Government! goodness, it's great that we have such effective security!
perhaps someone should be thinking just what sort of pillocks are running the Nuclear Information Service?
British Government: the laughing stock of the Entire Galaxy!
"Work is under way in secret at Britain’s nuclear bomb factory to upgrade the existing Trident arsenal and to develop an entirely new warhead, according to a report from the Nuclear Information Service.
The Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE) at Aldermaston and Burghfield in Berkshire is working on a programme to upgrade the current UK Trident warhead to produce the “Mark 4A”, which will be more accurate and have greater destructive power, the report says. The costs and timetable of the programme have not been revealed to parliament.
In secret eh? well at least it is from the Government! goodness, it's great that we have such effective security!
perhaps someone should be thinking just what sort of pillocks are running the Nuclear Information Service?
British Government: the laughing stock of the Entire Galaxy!
OG your endless optimism and faith in our country and people is a wonderful thing to behold
Now for a little comic relief
"Work is under way in secret at Britain’s nuclear bomb factory to upgrade the existing Trident arsenal and to develop an entirely new warhead, according to a report from the Nuclear Information Service.
The Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE) at Aldermaston and Burghfield in Berkshire is working on a programme to upgrade the current UK Trident warhead to produce the “Mark 4A”, which will be more accurate and have greater destructive power, the report says. The costs and timetable of the programme have not been revealed to parliament.
In secret eh? well at least it is from the Government! goodness, it's great that we have such effective security!
perhaps someone should be thinking just what sort of pillocks are running the Nuclear Information Service?
British Government: the laughing stock of the Entire Galaxy
And the EU requires a PLAN for Brexit?
ROFLMAO
ps; why do we need more accuracy, is it because the missiles are so inaccurate they can't hit a target the size of a city?
What the hell else can you use them on , unless you are thinking of waging a war of aggression with them and want to take out an enemies defences with a pre-emptive strike?
"Work is under way in secret at Britain’s nuclear bomb factory to upgrade the existing Trident arsenal and to develop an entirely new warhead, according to a report from the Nuclear Information Service.
The Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE) at Aldermaston and Burghfield in Berkshire is working on a programme to upgrade the current UK Trident warhead to produce the “Mark 4A”, which will be more accurate and have greater destructive power, the report says. The costs and timetable of the programme have not been revealed to parliament.
In secret eh? well at least it is from the Government! goodness, it's great that we have such effective security!
perhaps someone should be thinking just what sort of pillocks are running the Nuclear Information Service?
British Government: the laughing stock of the Entire Galaxy
And the EU requires a PLAN for Brexit?
ROFLMAO
ps; why do we need more accuracy, is it because the missiles are so inaccurate they can't hit a target the size of a city?
What the hell else can you use them on , unless you are thinking of waging a war of aggression with them and want to take out an enemies defences with a pre-emptive strike?
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And a second comic tableu
Think back to the TV advert where General Custer is fighting his last battle at the little big horn and his mobile rings.
Everything stops and he announces
"It's reinforcements!"
The indians groan and turn away in retreat.
Then Custer shouts
"And they'll be here Wednesday!"
The indians cheer and renew the attack.
And the reason for drawing attention to this story?
The country is going down the tubes and a Brexit plan is a dire necessity.
And we read this
"1 - The next prime minister will be a woman. Apologies for stating the obvious, but the new Conservative leader due to be announced on Friday 9 September "
Roll on Bloody September!
Sorry pausing to laugh hysterically at this point.
Ahem
It's good to know we are in such capable and above all timely hands.
LTGF and May the May be with you!
Think back to the TV advert where General Custer is fighting his last battle at the little big horn and his mobile rings.
Everything stops and he announces
"It's reinforcements!"
The indians groan and turn away in retreat.
Then Custer shouts
"And they'll be here Wednesday!"
The indians cheer and renew the attack.
And the reason for drawing attention to this story?
The country is going down the tubes and a Brexit plan is a dire necessity.
And we read this
"1 - The next prime minister will be a woman. Apologies for stating the obvious, but the new Conservative leader due to be announced on Friday 9 September "
Roll on Bloody September!
Sorry pausing to laugh hysterically at this point.
Ahem
It's good to know we are in such capable and above all timely hands.
LTGF and May the May be with you!
That's because after being born in someone else's house as Mother was bombed out twice while carrying me, I place the peace of Europe right at the top of my priority list, and spending my youth playing in the ruins of a devastated city and enduring poverty and rationing I have a perspective on events quite different to the general one of a later generation.
I have great faith in this country , more than you I suspect, but I doubt very much whether the present generation has any idea of what they have just done to everyone else's future.
My Generation and it's predecessor didn't go through all that to be happy when fools throw their future and that of my offspring too, away though vanity, greed, lies and ignorance.
I know the country will endure but I doubt your ability to withstand suffering especially when it is self induced.
Hopefully there will be no more wars, but the EU was the best guarantee of that, and we have no real industrial base nor natural resources to sustain ourselves at our present level.
At the very least we face a downturn in our standards of living, and that is without erosion of your rights, privileges and prospects, and all for what?
Empty promises, and empty dreams.
I find your touching Faith in such dreams dangerous.
Such foolishness is the wonder to behold.
Interesting that William Hill have offered odds of a General Election later this year of 5/2.
OG I do appreciate your point of view and cannot say that I have experienced what you did, although I am old enough to remember ration books. However I do not share your pessimistic view of the years ahead. Your posts have the assumption that anyone voting to leave the Eu seem to think that all will be easy and we'll just carry on without any downsides. I cannot speak for others but that is certainly not the case for me. I fully expect that we will have many difficulties ahead, but I feel that we will come through stronger without the yoke of the EU round our necks. I am sure you will say that is naïve but I think it is a reasonable expectation. Reports are saying that many countries are wanting to trade with us and if our politicians have anything about them they should already be in talks with them. The people of this country have spoken and now we should get on with it. And please don't say that we were told lies about the effects of leaving. I know we were. But on the other hand we have been lied to about the Eu ever since we joined. I think the Eu is an organisation that is run by the few for the benefit of the few and accepting more of the same is futile. We will have to agree to disagree on the merits of the project but I wish you well. It would be a boring place if we all agreed on everything.
regards gray
regards gray
OG, you talk about the 1940's, well I am a bit older than you and can say that I enjoyed the certainties of the 1940's and 1950's.
Like you, I was born into war and trouble and grew up to consider them normal. I remember well how when my Dad came home, I did not get on with him at all.
But this does not allow anyone to heap withering sarcasm on the majority of their fellow citizens for voting leave.
I doubt that European peace is a product of the EU, more likely NATO.
The EU, a construct of technocrats, many now dead or senile was deeply flawed.
For instance and ironically, the retention of sovereignty allowed the idiot Merkel to thrown open German borders with all the implications for resettling what would be new EU citizens compulsorily in the UK.
My guess is that other countries will follow the UK out of the EU.
Then would be the time to propose a simpler, cut down EU.
We could call it the Common Market.
Like you, I was born into war and trouble and grew up to consider them normal. I remember well how when my Dad came home, I did not get on with him at all.
But this does not allow anyone to heap withering sarcasm on the majority of their fellow citizens for voting leave.
I doubt that European peace is a product of the EU, more likely NATO.
The EU, a construct of technocrats, many now dead or senile was deeply flawed.
For instance and ironically, the retention of sovereignty allowed the idiot Merkel to thrown open German borders with all the implications for resettling what would be new EU citizens compulsorily in the UK.
My guess is that other countries will follow the UK out of the EU.
Then would be the time to propose a simpler, cut down EU.
We could call it the Common Market.
Hi gray First of all we can't enter into any trade deals until we are out of the EU
And the lies we have been told about the EU are ones from our own Government and press, not from the EU
There has never been a "YOKE" from the EU, as we have been a party to all decisions and laws made and had the veto on any we didn't like.
I simply cannot understand what makes you imagine that we have not benefited from membership, after all the improvements in Holidays, health and safety the environment and protection of your rights that have emanated there, which will now disappear as soon as some pretext found.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion, that is a given, and for my part I wish you and everyone else well too, matters as onerous as this need to be debated.
As to "The people have spoken" I would remind you that only 4% more were in favour of Brexit and in reality to assume that so small a majority have not cast their votes without a full understanding of what the EU is, or the benefits of its membership, and the cost of coming out is simply being disingenuous.
And you know that as well as I do.
In fact and reality the fate of the country has been decided by only 4% of the voters, and the probability of them knowing the truth about what they were voting for has a very low probability.
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Why is the EU deeply flawed, because it operates democratically instead of obeying our demands?
And NATO is keeping the peace? sorry that is far from the truth.
As for withering sarcasm, it appears that equates with telling the truth which isn't happily accepted, is it?
The population has been lied to after all, and sufficient numbers of voters not made a decision based on the truth.
And may I remind you the Government has already stated that it may if it feels like it actually increase immigration?
My guess is that in fact a unified Europe will merge into a United States as indeed it must for everyones benefit, and we have only temporarily derailed the project..
Look I have the real drop dead argument that will stop the brexiters.
How will the football clubs manage without importing new players!!!
That's it game over for MU,Liverpool etc.
Relying on local players, U.K. Born.
Don't make me laugh....
How will the football clubs manage without importing new players!!!
That's it game over for MU,Liverpool etc.
Relying on local players, U.K. Born.
Don't make me laugh....
Democratically? with an unelected Commission.
there have been 72 occasions in the Council of Ministers where the United Kingdom has opposed a particular measure. It has been successful precisely zero times.
We were wasting our time and our money in the EU.
In many parts of the UK people were suffering the effects of rampant immigration. Not so bad in the cities, that is why the cities selfishly ignored their compatriots and voted remain.
In England and Wales, the split was 45/55%
there have been 72 occasions in the Council of Ministers where the United Kingdom has opposed a particular measure. It has been successful precisely zero times.
We were wasting our time and our money in the EU.
In many parts of the UK people were suffering the effects of rampant immigration. Not so bad in the cities, that is why the cities selfishly ignored their compatriots and voted remain.
In England and Wales, the split was 45/55%
Congratulations on repeating nonsense, we have only failed to get out own way in less than 2% of the situations in over 30 years,who do you think you are kidding?
We have in fact been successful for 98% of the time, and the risk of being outvoted is clearly being fantastically overstated and wrong.
And speaking of unelected, what is the difference between our parliamentary select committees, the house of lords, the cabinet and even more the fact that the Tory party of about to choose an unelected leader?
These arguments you put forward are nothing but myths.
So the people in the cities are suffering from rampant immigration? Where more so than London which voted for remain, and now the leave politicians are saying that immigration could be increased if they think it to our advantage?
Strange leaders you've got for yourselves, haven't you?
They have all headed for the hills after their so called victory, with no plan and no intention of taking responsibility for the damage to the country.
And Cameron led the retreat, didn't he?
The nations future is being gambled on the basis that 4% of the voters had no idea of what the EU is, does, how it operates, and the benefits that they have enjoyed as a result of our membership, and of course another 50% were of the same mind.
And 48% of the population are not pleased at having to be caught up in a nightmare that is not of their making, because an insane Tory prime minister was afraid of losing voters to the UKIP so promised the gullible public a referendum.
A stupid thing to do after using the EU as a whipping boy for a generation and hoping to sound convincing when he suddenly came out in its defence.
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It is apparent that from these recent posts that there is a belief that the EU suffers from a so called unelected commision, and that this UK Government is somehow pure and free of this undesirable trait.
Try holding on the that belief after reading this
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/mar/12/nhs-health
And this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quango
And there are many more like that if you care to open your eyes and look.
And of course if you are inclined to be even slightly interested in the truth
http://johnmccormick.eu/2014/05/three-of-the-most-persistent-myths-about-the-european-union/
Will be of interest
Try holding on the that belief after reading this
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/mar/12/nhs-health
And this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quango
And there are many more like that if you care to open your eyes and look.
And of course if you are inclined to be even slightly interested in the truth
http://johnmccormick.eu/2014/05/three-of-the-most-persistent-myths-about-the-european-union/
Will be of interest
Time for a comedy interlude and you can't beat the Express for that
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Britain readies for WAR with Putin as it stations troops throughout Eastern Europe
HUNDREDS of British troops are set to be scrambled to countries bordering Russia as a show of strength to Vladimir Putin.
David Cameron will announce the deployment of a 500-strong battalion to Estonia with a further company of 150 troops to be stationed in Poland "on an enduring basis
An official said ahead of the Nato summit in Warsaw: “This will be a summit where you will see Britain assert itself as one of the most crucial elements in the Nato alliance.
"Not only are we going to be steadfast in our support of Nato, but we are prepared to back that up with boots on the ground."
Expecting the Russians to deterred by this pathetic example of "willy waving"?
And didn't someone just suggest on here that NATO had "Kept the Peace?"
Perhaps by reducing the enemy to helplessly laughing at us?
Good Plan: highly commendable.
If I might make a helpful suggestion, rather than boots our brave soldiers would be far better off if we issued them with running shoes, (or even Ebikes) then at least some of them would have a chance of surviving if the Russians stop laughing and regard this as a serious threat that requires a response.
All is not lost! Leadsom will tell Putin he has to obey international law or she will sulk.
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Britain readies for WAR with Putin as it stations troops throughout Eastern Europe
HUNDREDS of British troops are set to be scrambled to countries bordering Russia as a show of strength to Vladimir Putin.
David Cameron will announce the deployment of a 500-strong battalion to Estonia with a further company of 150 troops to be stationed in Poland "on an enduring basis
An official said ahead of the Nato summit in Warsaw: “This will be a summit where you will see Britain assert itself as one of the most crucial elements in the Nato alliance.
"Not only are we going to be steadfast in our support of Nato, but we are prepared to back that up with boots on the ground."
Expecting the Russians to deterred by this pathetic example of "willy waving"?
And didn't someone just suggest on here that NATO had "Kept the Peace?"
Perhaps by reducing the enemy to helplessly laughing at us?
Good Plan: highly commendable.
If I might make a helpful suggestion, rather than boots our brave soldiers would be far better off if we issued them with running shoes, (or even Ebikes) then at least some of them would have a chance of surviving if the Russians stop laughing and regard this as a serious threat that requires a response.
All is not lost! Leadsom will tell Putin he has to obey international law or she will sulk.
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