Brexit, for once some facts.
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One thing you can be sure of is that 'we' are all going to need far more bikes. To help occupy all the spare time that people have on their hands, or feet, whatever. There won't be too many poorly paid workers being taken advantage of in this country - in the not too distant future, that's for sure. Wonder what the lefties will have to complain about then?
Clearly you have not been keeping up with events, have you? or you wouldn't make that observation.
The whole purpose of Brexit is to free the UK Government to make whatever Draconian laws it likes using the "Emergency" of dealing with Brexit to justify reducing everything from Workers rights, through Human Rights, Welfare and Surveillance.
Here is a classic example from the FT
Britain’s surveillance laws have been deemed illegal by the European Court of Justice, as undemocratic
Would you like more examples?
If you don't realise that is happening you are naive to say the least.
Why else do you think the politicians want Brexit?
To make the lives of the proles better?
Oh yes, sure.
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Full marks for comedy content. another attempt at a wind up.
Which planet from the Sun are you right wing people living on?
Why are wages going to rise?
Haven't you noticed they are going down and the cost of living going up?
Come on now give a reason for that corker.
When the Government decides it wants more workers it has already stated rather than face the costs of training people, it will simply increase the number of immigrants admitted.
Don't you listen and read to what your own moronic Government is saying?
And from a man who confessed I had been right all along and apologised.
Are you having memory problems? would you like me to find and post your comments AGAIN?
Where did I say wages were going to rise - I think you just say want you want to say regardless of anything else.
'Haven't you noticed they are going down and the cost of living going up?'
Of course I've noticed - I think it has something to do with us living beyond our means - remember when we sold all the gold off to play at gambling on the stock market - and lost BIG time. As I recall it wasn't my lot that opened the flood gates to immigration, just a few thousand, Tony said at the time.
We used to have apprenticeships in my day, that was ****-poor pay but we learned and became useful to society and eventually were rewarded, well I was. Now they all seem to expect from day one and it's you and your lot making wild and stupid promises that give rise to the expectation and ultimately disappointment.
GTo quote you OG..lighten up a bit...you pedantic old git...
And , no I never lied at all.. I voted leave but in interests of your blood pressure I said I,d vote remain iin a second referendum..( well something like that)
And as for lying, well at least I only have one ID on here...not like some ?!
Peter
We have had it assured to us by OG and his mates ( Tom and Robdon) that his Toniness wasn't labour at all..not sure what he was but if OG says he wasn't...well its a fact...he wasn't...so don't come on here blaming labour for any of our dire economic failings( or the odd war here and there) thats all the fault of Tories...( its in Forum rules, Tories are responsible for everything evil...)
TM is the devil...ReesMog is a Nazi. The rest are fascists. If you remember all this it will help keep OG calm.(well it might)
And , no I never lied at all.. I voted leave but in interests of your blood pressure I said I,d vote remain iin a second referendum..( well something like that)
And as for lying, well at least I only have one ID on here...not like some ?!
Peter
We have had it assured to us by OG and his mates ( Tom and Robdon) that his Toniness wasn't labour at all..not sure what he was but if OG says he wasn't...well its a fact...he wasn't...so don't come on here blaming labour for any of our dire economic failings( or the odd war here and there) thats all the fault of Tories...( its in Forum rules, Tories are responsible for everything evil...)
TM is the devil...ReesMog is a Nazi. The rest are fascists. If you remember all this it will help keep OG calm.(well it might)
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So this statement
"There won't be too many poorly paid workers being taken advantage of in this country - in the not too distant future, that's for sure. Wonder what the lefties will have to complain about then?"
Doesn't mean that wage are going to rise??
What does it mean then? don't you understand your own statements?
No wonder you fall for the rubbish the Tory party spread.
And lets face it they couldn't run a Whelk stall at the seaside and turn a profit, £1.8 Trillion Debt is it now?
And your history isn't very good is it?
Lets look at immigration, but actually the real villain of the piece is ......
Tony Blair? really?
It is of Course David Cameron. look at this chart
Your Government isn't very good at controlling imigration is it?
And they have already backed down on cutting back on the numbers of immigrants allowed in, having failed utterly anyway as they haven't organised themselves to the point that they even know who is here now!
And companies simply won't pay for apprenticeships, they simply buy in Agency of immigrant labour.
Nice Fantasy you have there.
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Hardly, considering the number of times the ECJ has brought justice for our citizens with our government opposing them receiving that right.
With Brexit ultimately removing the ECJ's influence, clearly that avenue to justice is threatened, leaving us exposed to proven uncaring, unjust governments.
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I do so enjoy your contributions, a little nonsense lightens up the mood.
Tony Blair really wasn't a Socialist any more than New Labour where, they were simply the "Sunday League" version of the "Third Division" Tory party.
Their policies were no different from buying sawdust at one shop or the next.
As to the Tories being Nazi? well I never said that, merely pointed out the historical evidence of the way they fawned on Hitler, and wanted to surrender to him in 1940,
Churchill had to turn to the Labour party for support to prevent them doing so.
Would you like to see it again?
and provided Documentary proof of that.
I am despite what you may think a very calm person, and patiently await events taking their inevitable turn to a low point from which eventually we rejoin what will by then be the United States of Europe.
I can be calm about these events, as by that time I will in all probability by dead, as I live on borrowed time, though I can't promise I won't come back to haunt you!
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Tony Blair said himself that he was New Labour, insisting it was different from Labour.
Since many couldn't separate the effects of his policies from the Conservative ones, he was clearly right. It was a widespread complaint in those years that there was nothing to choose between the two main parties.
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... No woosh, only one EU country is in the position where it might lose as much as the UK. Geography and proximity matter and Ireland is the only country.
I,ll look forward to that OG..I do so enjoy your contributions, a little nonsense lightens up the mood.
Tony Blair really wasn't a Socialist any more than New Labour where, they were simply the "Sunday League" version of the "Third Division" Tory party.
Their policies were no different from buying sawdust at one shop or the next.
As to the Tories being Nazi? well I never said that, merely pointed out the historical evidence of the way they fawned on Hitler, and wanted to surrender to him in 1940,
Churchill had to turn to the Labour party for support to prevent them doing so.
Would you like to see it again?
and provided Documentary proof of that.
I am despite what you may think a very calm person, and patiently await events taking their inevitable turn to a low point from which eventually we rejoin what will by then be the United States of Europe.
I can be calm about these events, as by that time I will in all probability by dead, as I live on borrowed time, though I can't promise I won't come back to haunt you!
On the Blair identity. The point you are missing is despite his conflicting policies , his starting wars,his lying,his deceptions he was voted into power by labour voters organised and paid for by socialist organisations. Much as labour ( some of it) want to distance themselves from both Blair,Brown and all the repercussions we have inherited from them it was a Labour government, and initially a very popular one.
The Blair faction of the labour movement is still alive and lying.
Saying Blair was not a Labour leader or PM is actually quite silly. He obviously was.
Is a leader defined by his policies or the organisation that got him into power and the people who voted for him.
If TM suddenly adopted labour policies she would still be a Tory, one clambering for power no doubt but still a tory.
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Sorry flecc, but Germany is not the EU country most affected, it may have the largest flows of money, but Ireland's trade with the UK is a larger fraction of our economy.
No, regardless of who voted them in, it was a New Labour government with pseudo tory policies, having little in common with traditional labour aims.
Very true.
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Agreed, I was only speaking in volume terms, not the effects. My point was that Germany will suffer very little, in the 2008 recession they shrugged off a loss equal to their trade with the UK with ease, hence their confidence on the issue of Brexit.
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"Anthony Charles Lynton Blair (born 6 May 1953) is a British politician who served as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom from 1997 to 2007 and Leader of the Labour Party from 1994 to 2007. He is the most recent British Labour Party leader to have won a general election."
He probably wasn't a socialist but he was definitely labour.
Otherwise rather a fundamental error on wikipedia.
You're being disingenuous. You know as well as I do that he created New Labour to get elected.
He was indeed the leader of the Labour party, but that was not the government. He was elected and governed under the title of New Labour, never at any time under only the Labour title.
Your quotation does not say he was a Labour Prime Minister with good reason, he wasn't.
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How do you know that the EU are loading the bill with irrelevant items. ? Would it not be the case that the UK government position is that anything on the bill is unacceptable...
until we know exactly what is in the bill, we can only speculate. The UK's contribution to the EU in 2016 is about £13 billions, £4.5 billions were spent in the UK, net contribution £8.5 billions. The EU is said to demand about 10 years worth of net contribution to settle the outstanding liabilities.
Do you think the figure is credible?