Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

This is the exact problem with this debate. People don't read past the headlines or use any thinking power before they react.

Lets look at this case.

£24k on a trip to rome, seems like a lot yes. But the reason they sorted an air taxis was because there were 9 or 10 of them going. There were no other flight options that fitted the trip. If you work in business you have to look at all the costs. Using a cheaper flight might have meant an extra night away, which would have been more expensive. Divide the costs by the number of people going and then compare the the other costs that you are I are not aware of and you might find this £24k is actually a bargain compared to the other ways of getting to that event / meeting.

THINK.

Actually that's not case at all. Junkers took plane by himself...( according to reports)
If what you are saying is correct why the investigation?
And I wasn't passing judgement,merely reporting FACT there is an investigation.
And naive springs to mind if you think its all above board.

 

[Danidl]

Actually that's not case at all. Junkers took plane by himself...( according to reports)
If what you are saying is correct why the investigation?
And I wasn't passing judgement,merely reporting FACT there is an investigation.
And naive springs to mind if you think its all above board.

.. if your evidence is from the daily mail article it did indicate " a delegation" and referred to 9 persons.
The daily mail would be somewhat economic with the truth in describing the group who sought the information as a human rights group when they are an alternative to big government group interested in extracting information. What is interesting here is that they were supplied with the information in a timely manner. The Junker junket so called was a year ago... Contrast that with any number of requests for information in the UK, on topics of even greater real importance. .eg the number of confirmed survivors and unaccounted persons from a major fire in London some weeks ago.
Where is your evidence that there is an investigation.?
I think that you are letting your obvious antipathy to Mr Junkers cloud your critical faculties.

 

[Zlatan]

Yes, ofcourse KTM.
"

Corruption costs EU ‘up to €990 billion a year’

Study says public procurement corruption alone costs the EU €5 billion per year.

By Ryan Collins

| 3/22/16, 12:01 AM CET

| Updated 3/22/16, 5:36 AM CET

The EU has a corruption problem that could cost it up to €990 billion a year, according to a study commissioned by the European Parliament and released on Monday.

Corruption in the EU comes in many forms and has multiple economic, social and political effects, according to the Cost of Non-Europe in the Area of Corruption Study by RAND Europe. Based on three scenarios using different methodologies that included both direct and indirect effects, the study found the EU suffers losses in its gross domestic product that range between €179 billion and €990 billion each year."

 

[Danidl]

Yes, ofcourse KTM.
"

Corruption costs EU ‘up to €990 billion a year’

Study says public procurement corruption alone costs the EU €5 billion per year.

By Ryan Collins

| 3/22/16, 12:01 AM CET

| Updated 3/22/16, 5:36 AM CET

The EU has a corruption problem that could cost it up to €990 billion a year, according to a study commissioned by the European Parliament and released on Monday.

Corruption in the EU comes in many forms and has multiple economic, social and political effects, according to the Cost of Non-Europe in the Area of Corruption Study by RAND Europe. Based on three scenarios using different methodologies that included both direct and indirect effects, the study found the EU suffers losses in its gross domestic product that range between €179 billion and €990 billion each year."

It is difficult to see how an estimate of 5 billion in corruption , which if true is bad gets conflated to 990billion. In context the entire EU budget is around 150 billion, so a 4% corruption level, while bad is not catastrophic.

 

[tommie]

The small town I am in at present has a magnificent library, a brand new secondary school, beautiful flowerbeds , plenty of public spaces, swimming pool, at least two community football fields, tennis courts, and a continual roads and water supply improvement program. It is not unique as similar seems to be available all around the department.

Ahh i`m sure it looks just splendid,

nice to see you`re spending the UK`s/Europes taxpayers money well,

oh, and any chance you folk could get round to repaying some of those billions we sent you for that bail-out??

I don`t mind helping out a friend in need and all that, but our local town hall is looking decidedly scruffy.

 

[flecc]

Actually that's not case at all. Junkers took plane by himself...( according to reports)

His trip cost each EU citizen 0.00436 of a UK penny.
.

 

[Danidl]

Ahh i`m sure it looks just splendid,

nice to see you`re spending the UK`s/Europes taxpayers money well,

oh, and any chance you folk could get round to repaying some of those billions we sent you for that bail-out??

I don`t mind helping out a friend in need and all that, but our local town hall is looking decidedly scruffy.

.. you do realise that I was referring to the town in France?

If you are referring to the 7 billion loan from the UK in 2010, I think that was repaid... With interest.

 

[Woosh]

It is difficult to see how an estimate of 5 billion in corruption , which if true is bad gets conflated to 990billion. In context the entire EU budget is around 150 billion, so a 4% corruption level, while bad is not catastrophic.

that study is not understood by the journalist who wrote the article.
Basically, up to 2004, corruption (only part of it involves the EU administration) is estimated to cost all economies in the EU about 125 billion Euros a year. In 2016, the EU wanted an update - the new company that was tasked to revise the situation figures out that corruption deters investment. They then try to guess how much investment was not going ahead for fear of corruption. They estimated that about 5% of the GDP of the EU may have been affected by corruption. Hence the 999 billion Euros. These figures are not connected to hiring private planes or expensive hotels.

Source:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2016/579319/EPRS_STU(2016)579319_EN.pdf.

 

[oldgroaner]

that study is not understood by the journalist who wrote the article.
Basically, up to 2004, corruption (only part of it involves the EU administration) is estimated to cost all economies in the EU about 125 billion Euros a year. In 2016, the EU wanted an update - the new company that was tasked to revise the situation figures out that corruption deters investment. They then try to guess how much investment was not going ahead for fear of corruption. They estimated that about 5% of the GDP of the EU may have been affected by corruption. Hence the 999 billion Euros. These figures are not connected to hiring private planes or expensive hotels.

Source:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2016/579319/EPRS_STU(2016)579319_EN.pdf.

Arent we lucky that we don't have any corruption here?
Good heavens! that wouldn't be Cricket, would it? at least out people are white as snow in this regard.

Ha,ha,ha ha, etc., here we refer to it as "Honest Graft"

 

[Woosh]

Arent we lucky that we don't have any corruption here?

Don't jump for joy yet.
The UK is about middle of the corruption league table.

 

[oldgroaner]

From the Inependent
"
Britain's top physicist set to leave UK because of Brexit
Nobel Prize-winning physicist Andre Geim considers taking research elsewhere as international student applications plummet.

Not to Worry that Nice Mr Gove said
"We've had enough of Experts"
So that's all right then, isn't it?

'Ere Guv, wots a Physicist do then, eh?"

 

[oldgroaner]

Don't jump for joy yet.
The UK is about middle of the corruption league table.

Don't worry the Government has a team of Experts working on it.
it has a name
"Perfidious Albion"
"Perfidious Albion is an anglophobic pejorative phrase used within the context of international relations and diplomacy to refer to alleged acts of diplomatic sleights, duplicity, treachery and hence infidelity (with respect to perceived promises made to or alliances formed with other nation states)

I speak in jest of course we wouldn't stoop so low.......Oh well , perhaps just a teeny little bit.
Actually somehow the term made me think of Brexit.

 

[tommie]

.. you do realise that I was referring to the town in France?

If you are referring to the 7 billion loan from the UK in 2010, I think that was repaid... With interest.

you`re in France at the moment..ok,

No, i was referring to the €67.5bn (£56.5bn) bail-out for Ireland to save it from itself,
the UK taxpayer propped up the Irish economy with at least £20bn,
and No again, it hasn`t been repaid.

And to think some have the audacity to castigate the DUP for getting this part of the UK 1 billion!!

Short memories.

 

[oldgroaner]

you`re in France at the moment..ok,

No, i was referring to the €67.5bn (£56.5bn) bail-out for Ireland to save it from itself,
the UK taxpayer propped up the Irish economy with at least £20bn,
and No again, it hasn`t been repaid.

And to think some have the audacity to castigate the DUP for getting this part of the UK 1 billion!!

Short memories.

Just out of curiosity, if the loan was to the Irish, why is the DUP due to gain from that? What have they done to deserve it, apart from propping up a regime that is the enemy of the British people against their wishes?

 

[flecc]

'Ere Guv, wots a Physicist do then, eh?"

It's just a posh name for a personal trainer.
.

 

[tommie]

Just out of curiosity, if the loan was to the Irish, why is the DUP due to gain from that? What have they done to deserve it, apart from propping up a regime that is the enemy of the British people against their wishes?

thats incoherent.

gain from what??

nothing to do with each other - it`s a comparison,

re-read again please...

 

[oldgroaner]

thats incoherent.

gain from what??

nothing to do with each other - it`s a comparison,

re-read again please...

Sorry but yours was the incoherent comment not mine the DUP extorted the money it wasn't given

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[Steb]

Sorry but yours was the incoherent comment not mine the DUP extorted the money it wasn't given

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yes, though (it must be said) the extortion was excruciatingly enjoyable. May, all maybot fake smile, anxiously handwringing, blatantly buying herself a job with taxpayer money, damaging the tories even more, clearly neither stable or strong. I found myself wishing the DUP would up the stakes, gradually, ask for 4000 billion pounds, all the ex colonies, the cabinet to run naked down oxford street.

 

[Danidl]

you`re in France at the moment..ok,

No, i was referring to the €67.5bn (£56.5bn) bail-out for Ireland to save it from itself,
the UK taxpayer propped up the Irish economy with at least £20bn,
and No again, it hasn`t been repaid.

And to think some have the audacity to castigate the DUP for getting this part of the UK 1 billion!!

Short memories.

. Tommie, I am no expert on intergovernmental finance and the banking system, and I suspect neither are you,
In the case of the 20billion my understanding is that this was money provided by the Bank of England to cover the liabilities of Ulster Bank or RBS, it's parent, and not part of the bailout which is the term used for the EU IMF package.. The irony of this is that it was the reckless lending policy of RBS, who , I understand were the originators of 100% mortgages, that accelerated the credit boom and crash.
Like many other irish people, I am sorry and puzzled why Ireland accepted the liabilities of what was a private bank.(Anglo Irish ), and passed it on to the Irish taxpayer.
My understanding is that Ireland inc. is paying out interest in all these loans, so charity they were not...
If you bother to read back on any of my posts, I have not in any fashion castigated the DUP for accepting the money from the UK . I do however hope that this money is not going to the DUP as your post implied, but to the peoples of Northern Ireland.

 

[Danidl]

yes, though (it must be said) the extortion was excruciatingly enjoyable. May, all maybot fake smile, anxiously handwringing, blatantly buying herself a job with taxpayer money, damaging the tories even more, clearly neither stable or strong. I found myself wishing the DUP would up the stakes, gradually, ask for 4000 billion pounds, all the ex colonies, the cabinet to run naked down oxford street.

... And run naked down the street. Have you no pity sir, have the British public not suffered enough?