Back to Electric Mountain again!
But where you don't have a handy mountain, or want to to build mile high towers, Accumulators serve quite nicely for most purposes.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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But where you don't have a handy mountain, or want to to build mile high towers, Accumulators serve quite nicely for most purposes.
Here's thought provoking suggestion, pertinent to our current weather. How about using the atmospheric pressure changes as highs and lows pass over us all the time to pump the water up.
Only as a supplementary of course, but like the tides it's free.
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I knew there was something fundamentally wrong with the laws of physics when we were in the testing phase of making the first wall hung boilers.
We were using a new monolithic casting technique for the boiler casings.
We used to slowly pump water into them
When we reached around a thousand PSI they always made a loud bang , shattered and blew pieces in all directions.
What were we doing wrong?
Don't say this out loud flecc, but I reckon Apple will have patented that already
... Yeah, we could do that by putting some kind of propellers in the way and use the fact that as the atmospheric pressure changes it make the air move, this could get those propellers to rotate .... Oh!
Should have tried it with air, would have been loads more interesting, but perhaps you might not be able to tell us story now..
Manchester had a whole hydraulic system, even wound the clock.
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Air bags under water were being tested in Scotland recently for energy accumulation.
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Coming back to Brexit....if a UK person falls in love with a EU person and brings that person back to the UK and gets married,then surely the EU person would automatically be a UK citizen,with a British passport and a EU passport.
And if that couple have children in the UK ,those children would automatically be UK citizens,with British passports and because one of their parents is an EU person also be entitled to a EU passport.
There must already be millions in this position,so many UK persons have already married EU persons.
The point I am making is that any attempt to control EU immigration is doomed to failure because so much inter marriage already exists and will continue in the future.
Maybe I have misunderstood and happy to be corrected?
KudosDave
And if that couple have children in the UK ,those children would automatically be UK citizens,with British passports and because one of their parents is an EU person also be entitled to a EU passport.
There must already be millions in this position,so many UK persons have already married EU persons.
The point I am making is that any attempt to control EU immigration is doomed to failure because so much inter marriage already exists and will continue in the future.
Maybe I have misunderstood and happy to be corrected?
KudosDave
.. this one is obvious. . Under a head of water, even a plastic bag can become a reservoir. Pumping air in under pressure, stores it.
There was also a suggestion of pumping air into big bags at very low pressure, probably 0.5 bar, and allowing the tide to compress them and then at high tide expell the now pressurised air. The problem with this as an energy capture method is that there is only one pulse of energy twice per day.
Yes,I realise all that. I,m asking about the mechanics of getting the energy out the bags...and are bags simoly pulled deeper to store more energy, or filled more ??? Bags under water covers a lot of scope for various systems / concepts..
One of easier large energy storage systems is already used in many Hydroelectric plants..Its cost effective to keep generation at a fairly high and constant level. At low demand time electric pumps simply pump the water back up from where water has just fallen.At moderate demand times the electricity is diverted from pumps to griid. Its a proven system, perhaps they could build one at Fraisthorpe ??? Just need a big hill, a reservoir at top.??? We could use all that spare electricity around there to fill reservoir at top..???
. The bit about children of UK citizens and EU citizens seems to be up in the air.
Let's give the fraisthorpe plant a miss. We have a number of postings about pumped storage systems, they are fine but expensive as most civil engineering projects are.
By 2040 we are going T see a massive increase in demand , we will need some type of massive storage facility..Whichever is chosen will be expensive.
.. There are a variety of storage options and other load balancing strategies. Large area grids, covering numbers of time zones, and smart metering transcontinental energy collection systems, wind , PV biomass, fossil fuel, nuclear are all needed. There are a large number of energy storage systems required and cumulatively they will be expensive, but there are no single magic bullets either for storage or collection.
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Remember 'Brexit'? This could be interesting but I don't know when the results might be known.
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It seems to me that because the UK government has no plans to attract replacement industry or alternative business in this area, this could be the tip of an iceberg, the effects of which will manifest themselves elsewhere in the UK, post-'Brexit'.
In spite of any assurances given, one wonders as the future carmaking industry changes, and it will, what happens when the Japanese decide that the UK is no longer a viable part of their global business? Large car plants, for example, not only directly employ lots of people, there is an enormous collateral mixed business support system which is mutually dependent on the car industry for its survival.
Areas such as the NE, where the Nissan plant is one of the biggest employers, were previously dependent to a large extent on coal mining and shipbuilding and became virtual wastelands after those industries ceased. I envisage that area will revert to that situation should Nissan pull out of the UK. Perhaps when the effects of 'Brexit' manifest themselves on the population in such a stark and brutal way that loss of employment with no prospect of re-employment becomes reality, then people will better understand how important EU membership with its attendant benefits really is.
Perhaps 'Brexit' will not affect the older generations too greatly in the time they have left but I worry that the young people of this country haven't really grasped fully all the ramifications of a future outside of the EU. That is hardly surprising, I suppose, because of the way the issue has been hyped by government and media, two areas largely occupied by multi-millionaires, so the young might actually believe that 'Brexit' = opportunity.
Interesting times!
Tom
uk-40772332
It seems to me that because the UK government has no plans to attract replacement industry or alternative business in this area, this could be the tip of an iceberg, the effects of which will manifest themselves elsewhere in the UK, post-'Brexit'.
In spite of any assurances given, one wonders as the future carmaking industry changes, and it will, what happens when the Japanese decide that the UK is no longer a viable part of their global business? Large car plants, for example, not only directly employ lots of people, there is an enormous collateral mixed business support system which is mutually dependent on the car industry for its survival.
Areas such as the NE, where the Nissan plant is one of the biggest employers, were previously dependent to a large extent on coal mining and shipbuilding and became virtual wastelands after those industries ceased. I envisage that area will revert to that situation should Nissan pull out of the UK. Perhaps when the effects of 'Brexit' manifest themselves on the population in such a stark and brutal way that loss of employment with no prospect of re-employment becomes reality, then people will better understand how important EU membership with its attendant benefits really is.
Perhaps 'Brexit' will not affect the older generations too greatly in the time they have left but I worry that the young people of this country haven't really grasped fully all the ramifications of a future outside of the EU. That is hardly surprising, I suppose, because of the way the issue has been hyped by government and media, two areas largely occupied by multi-millionaires, so the young might actually believe that 'Brexit' = opportunity.
Interesting times!
Tom
I am not worried. The generation of my children are Europeans as much as British, the next generation will probably more European than British.
There is no way that, post brexit, this country is going to be americanised, not that I have anything against the USA, I have family living there, but it's just down to the (economical) law of gravity.