Brexit, for once some facts.

oldtom

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Young people think they know the history of the NHS but in reality they have no concept of how health care was achieved pre-WW2.

For millions of people, there simply wasn't any health care as we know it today - doctors were few and far between and poor people frequently succombed to illness and died young for want of money to buy a doctor's time.

The writer, Michael Rosen, now into his 70s, probably never suffered from that lack of pre-1948 universal health care but he listened to his parents and understood the kind of difficulties the masses had to endure.

Anyone who believes Britain will be a better country through placing their trust in the tories' NHS promises is wrong in the head........and needs to see a doctor while it's still free!


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flecc

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Young people think they know the history of the NHS but in reality they have no concept of how health care was achieved pre-WW2.
I'm old enough to remember it pre-NHS, walking to the doctor as a kid clutching half a crown to pay him for seeing me. That was equal to around £8 now.

And as a 7 year old in hospital for three weeks with an infected arm, the only kid dumped in a mens ward with my arm tied up to a frame above the bed in the hope the infection would disperse before it killed me, no antibiotics back then.

But there were some advantages, no-one waiting at the doctors, just seen immediately, and beds available in hospital. Money is a good rationer.
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oldtom

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I'm old enough to remember it pre-NHS, walking to the doctor as a kid clutching half a crown to pay him for seeing me. That was equal to around £8 now.

And as a 7 year old in hospital for three weeks with an infected arm, the only kid dumped in a mens ward with my arm tied up to a frame above the bed in the hope the infection would disperse before it killed me, no antibiotics back then.

But there were some advantages, no-one waiting at the doctors, just seen immediately, and beds available in hospital. Money is a good rationer.
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Blimey you must have been loaded - how many chimneys did you have sweep to make half a dollar?.......or were your parents rolling in it?:)

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Blimey you must have been loaded - how many chimneys did you have sweep to make half a dollar?.......or were your parents rolling in it?:)

Tom
Far from it, my father was on about £6 a week at the time. The doctor was doing ok though, living in a very large house in exclusive Queens Park Avenue, even a name to go with that, Doctor Westgarth Taylor, and drove a Jaguar.

To be fair though he more than once pushed the half crown back to me when I proffered it after the consultation. He probably did quite well from his wealthy neighbours and was aware we were very much the opposite.
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We are heading to a hung parliament.
I wonder if it's not TM's plan all along, not wanting to shoulder the blame for a no deal brexit negotiation.
On the other hand, Mr Corbyn looks more credible than ever before.

 
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I think its an election both parties are working hard to lose ! Both have said monumentally stupid things...
Would make good forum members.!!

Yougov had remainers winning by a massive margin last year at this time..???
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16 mps short of a government ?? Perhaps sandwiches and picnics are a better analogy at moment.
 
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I think its an election both parties are working hard to lose ! Both have said monumentally stupid things...
Would make good forum members.!!
Self praise is no flattery!
However I do agree, this is an election neither party can afford to win, perhaps they ought to give it to Lord Nigel to sort out.....
 
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However I do agree, this is an election neither party can afford to win, perhaps they ought to give it to Lord Nigel to sort out.....
No, we need strong man, Vadlimir P. would be ideal. No more of a string of horses pulling a golden coach to take the queen to parliament, Vlad would ride there alone, stripped to the waist on a horse to sort those buffoons out.

And since the Russian oligarchs live in London, most being his enemies, he could give up nobbling them one at a time with polonium 210.

Instead he could just take their multi billions and settle the national debt.
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oldtom

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These are not my words. I have plagiarised someone else via a family member but I don't half concur with the message:

Here's what I'm really struggling to understand. All I've ever heard from people, for years, is this...

"bloody bankers and their bonuses"

"bloody rich and their offshore tax havens "

"bloody politicians with their lying and second homes"

“bloody corporations paying less tax than me”

"bloody Establishment, they're all in it together”

“it'll never change, there's no point in voting”

And quite rightly so, I said all the same things.

But then someone comes along that's different. He upsets the bankers and the rich. The Tory politicians hate him along with most of the labour politicians. The corporations throw more money at the politicians to keep him quiet. And the Establishment is visibly shaken. I've never seen the Establishment so genuinely scared of a single person.

So the media arm of the establishment gets involved. Theresa phones Rupert asking what he can do, and he tells her to keep her mouth shut, don't do the live debate, he'll sort this out. So the media goes into overdrive with…

“she's strong and stable”

“he's a clown”

“he's not a leader”

“look he can't even control his own party”

“he'll ruin the economy”

“how's he gonna pay for it all?!”

“AND he's a terrorist sympathiser, burn him, burn the terrorist sympathiser”

And what do we? We've waited forever for an honest politician to come along but instead of getting behind him we bow to the establishment like good little workers. They whistle and we do a little dance for them. We run around like hypnotised robots repeating headlines we've read, all nodding and agreeing. Feeling really proud of ourselves because we think we've came up with our very own first political opinion. But we haven't, we haven't came up with anything. This is how you tell. No matter where someone lives in the country, they're repeating the same headlines, word for word. From Cornwall to Newcastle people are saying

“he's a clown”

“he’s a threat to the country”

“she's strong and stable”

“he'll take us back to the 70s”

And there's nothing else, there's no further opinion. There's no evidence apart from 1 radio 5 interview that isn't even concrete evidence, he actually condemns the violence of both sides in the interview. There's no data or studies or official reports to back anything up. Try and think really hard why you think he's a clown, other than the fact he looks like a geography teacher. (no offence geography teachers) because he hasn't done anything clownish from what I've seen.

And you're not on this planet if you think the establishment and the media aren't all in it together.

You think Richard Branson, who's quietly winning NHS contracts, wants Corbyn in?

You think Rupert Murdoch, who's currently trying to widen his media monopoly by buying sky outright, wants Jeremy in?

You think the Barclay brothers, with their offshore residencies, want him in?

You think Philip Green, who stole all the pensions from BHS workers and claims his wife owns Top Shop because she lives in Monaco, wants Corbyn in?

You think the politicians, both Labour and Tory, with their second homes and alcohol paid for by us, want him in?

You think Starbucks, paying near zero tax, wants him in?

You think bankers, with their multi million pound bonuses, want him in?

And do you think they don't have contact with May? Or with the media? You honestly think that these millionaires and billionaires are the sort of people that go “ah well, easy come easy go, it was nice while it lasted”?? I wouldn't be if my personal fortune was at risk, I'd be straight on the phone to Theresa May or Rupert Murdoch demanding this gets sorted immediately.

Because here's a man, a politician that doesn't lie, he can't lie, he could have said whatever would get him votes anytime he wanted but he hasn't. He lives in a normal house like us and uses the bus just like us. He's fought for justice and peace for nearly 40 years. He has no career ambitions. And his seat is untouchable. That's one of the greatest testimonies. No one comes close to removing him from his constituency, election after election.

His Manifesto is fully costed. It all adds up, yes there's some borrowing but that's just to renationalise the railway, you know we already subsidise them and they make profit yeah? One more time… WE subsidise the railway companies and they walk away with a profit, just try and grasp the level of **** taking going on there.

Unlike the Tory manifesto with a £9 billion hole, their figures don't even add up.

And it benefits all of us, young, old, working, disabled, everyone. The only people it hurts are the establishment, the rich, the bankers, the top 5% highest earners.

Good, **** them all, it's long overdue!"


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" It is possible that UK pensioners abroad under the S1 scheme would be relatively healthier..."

Could it be the weather? The food? :)
 
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There was a nice young woman on Arte the other night who has a very interesting theory: current goings on in the US and the UK are designed by the rich in power to kill off the poor. They (the poor) are just a hindrance now that the menial jobs they used to have can be done by robots so lets get rid of them. Definitively...

Interesting if somewhat macabre thought isn't it?
 
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oldtom

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Its all looking rosy for the expat population in Europe isn't it... oh no wait.... It's not. What was it that project fear predicted....
Are you really trying to suggest that tory central office haven't costed every element of 'Brexit'? There is no contingency which could have slipped past their detailed examination of every single aspect of secession from the EU superstate. You don't seem to have grasped what 'strong and stable' is all about. Just wait and see what 'strong and stable' brings further down the line........it comes shortly after we begin to enjoy all the benefits of the 'big society'

Patience, dear boy....patience!

I'm just glad I'm not ex-pat with all this stuff going off......oh, hang on! No, I think I'm ok as I still have a UK address so I'm good to vote.

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oldgroaner

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Part of me rejoices that Labour appears to have revived and is on the rise, but still, I honestly believe that Brexit will ruin the reputation of any Party assuming power now.
Let the Tory party carry the can for the mess that is one of it's own creation, this is really a case where it is better to lose a battle if you want to win the war, no matter if it takes years to achieve.
The British people have not had to face the consequences of the idiocy of Brexit YET.
Until they do they will not veer from the path that has been chosen for them by the Elite, all regettable, but all true.
 
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