Brexit, for once some facts.

Jimod

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OMG,,,this is a dangerous forum,come up with a dubious plan to con £2.8 million out of May....not difficult at the moment,especially if it looks anti jobs due to Brexit and the thread soon degenerates to cabbages and sprouts,the end was as inevitable as Brexit,a load of s......!!!!!
KudosDave

Just so you know! I've patented the sprouts idea. If there's £2.8 million up for grabs, I'm staking my claim. Mrs May won't know/care if it's genuine. As long as I can get it onto either BBC news or question time, I think she'll fall for it. I'll get my £1.73 back somehow..
 

Kudoscycles

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Just so you know! I've patented the sprouts idea. If there's £2.8 million up for grabs, I'm staking my claim. Mrs May won't know/care if it's genuine. As long as I can get it onto either BBC news or question time, I think she'll fall for it. I'll get my £1.73 back somehow..
I know I am going to regret asking this but within your patent do you have a plan how to transfer the methane into your tank? I cant help thinking it may involve some form of nozzle and hose??? Dodgy images this late at night,not for UKIP or liberals too easily offended.
We can get David Davis to cost it,he obviously can't count beyond 21,and Boris looks like he can make a gaseous contribution,just don't let him wear those awful jogging shorts in the project images,it will lose all credibility.
Actually South Thanet is a great place to launch the project,its assets consist of cabbage growing and fishing so a few more smells won't matter, even Farage slips in and out without getting noticed.
Aye....you have a fin plan there Jim laddie.!!!!!
KudosDave
 

oldgroaner

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Just so you know! I've patented the sprouts idea. If there's £2.8 million up for grabs, I'm staking my claim. Mrs May won't know/care if it's genuine. As long as I can get it onto either BBC news or question time, I think she'll fall for it. I'll get my £1.73 back somehow..
You won't get away with that in the USA laddie, as Apple patented the "Sprout" as a model name years ago, which is why the iphone is so popular among Cabbages, who want something Compact and Bijou to fondle, and they are, to the casual observer both habit forming and self adhesive to hand and ear.

Indeed some of the more advanced models recycle themselves using a process of "Spontaneous Combustion" which was actually pioneered by Samsung, and even earlier in models of the Vauxhall Xafira.

As to calling them " isprouts" you can forget that!
 

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From the telegraph
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GCHQ issues rare public statement to dismiss Trump Tower wiretapping claims as 'utterly ridiculous'"
"Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command - he didn't use the NSA, he didn't use the CIA, he didn't use the FBI and he didn't use the Department of Justice - he used GCHQ."
In a break from its normal practice of refusing to comment on allegations about its activities, a spokesman for GCHQ said: "Recent allegations made by media commentator Judge Andrew Napolitano about GCHQ being asked to conduct 'wiretapping' against the then president elect are nonsense. They are utterly ridiculous and should be ignored."

"Those who the gods would Destroy
They first make mad"

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In Trump's case their help wasn't necessary!
It's Rumoured that GCHQ has admitted that while they have hacked everyone on the entire planet and it will be ten years before they get round to Trump and co.
This is due to Government cut backs,but you can get verbatim copies of the postings on this forum by return post from Menwith Hill .
 
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Kudoscycles

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What do the forum think of Theresa May?
We are putting our future in the hands of this lady who appears to have a poor history of getting things done.....in her 6 years as Home Secretary did she achieve anything?
And what has she achieved so far in government? The NHS and Social Care are in a mess,she seems not to have a solution.
I know that HMRC are in a mess.
She doesn't seem to have any solution to Northern Ireland and Scotland.
Her hard Brexit stance seems to have no solution to EU to UK trade
Her handling of the Gina Miller court cases were messy.
The mess her and Hammond made of the C4NIC
I can't think of any project since May came to office that has been a success nor heading towards a success ,yet this is the woman that we are relying on to make a success of Brexit,so important to the future of our country. I have friends who think she is wonderful yet when I press them what is so wonderful about her,they have no real answers.
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flecc

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What do the forum think of Theresa May?.....in her 6 years as Home Secretary did she achieve anything?
When appointed as Home Secretary early in 2010 she hit it like a whirlwind making many changes, inevitably including some good things with the bad. But all in all it was a chaotic year. She presided over the Raoul Moat murder/suicide incident over which she later became under heavy criticism in December that year. It later transpired that the police had shot Moat with a long range laser illegally supplied direct to them by a company with a Home Office licence. The licence was then taken from that company and it's managing director committed suicide in consequence.

The courts had been overloaded with work in 2010 so May presided over an experiment of have two shifts per day in the last quarter. One case would be heard in early morning shifts to around midday, another from then into the evening day by day. Predictably it failed miserably and was stopped before the end of the year.

Possibly in consequence of an overload due to the double shift case system, the Crown Prosecution Service failed to examine many cases before nodding them though to the courts. When this came to light the then director of the national CPS, Keir Starmer, came under heavy criticism and should have been sacked. Instead he survived and has since become a prominent MP, another reward for inadequacy.

There were many other problems and critcisms of her due to her actions in 2010, and her remaining five years as Home Secretary were similarly afflicted. Throughout was evidence of her bossy attitude, which included suspending an experienced senior civil servant who disagreed with one of her decisions.

None of her record bodes well for a successful Brexit.
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What do the forum think of Theresa May?
She is lucky until now.
But she will have tough time ahead, with indyref2.
if we crash out on WTO terms, it's very likely that Scotland (and possibly also NI) will secede.
Mrs May's only remaining course of action is a soft brexit.
The market seems to sense that, the Pound was at 8 week low against both the dollar and the euro before Mrs Sturgeon announcement, has recovered some lost ground since.
 
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flecc

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Mrs May's only remaining course of action is a soft brexit.
I think events are making that increasingly certain. That will solve so many problems, leaving her with the one of convincing the leave voters that it was hard enough to satisfy them.
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Danidl

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I know I am going to regret asking this but within your patent do you have a plan how to transfer the methane into your tank? I cant help thinking it may involve some form of nozzle and hose??? Dodgy images this late at night,not for UKIP or liberals too easily offended.
We can get David Davis to cost it,he obviously can't count beyond 21,and Boris looks like he can make a gaseous contribution,just don't let him wear those awful jogging shorts in the project images,it will lose all credibility.
Actually South Thanet is a great place to launch the project,its assets consist of cabbage growing and fishing so a few more smells won't matter, even Farage slips in and out without getting noticed.
Aye....you have a fin plan there Jim laddie.!!!!!
KudosDave
.... The technology already exists,for the transfer .. just remove the saddle from the seat post and ride the bike as before... I will be expecting a 10% inventers fee for this essential innovativion.
 
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tillson

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When appointed as Home Secretary early in 2010 she hit it like a whirlwind making many changes, inevitably including some good things with the bad. But all in all it was a chaotic year. She presided over the Raoul Moat murder/suicide incident over which she later became under heavy criticism in December that year. It later transpired that the police had shot Moat with a long range laser illegally supplied direct to them by a company with a Home Office licence. The licence was then taken from that company and it's managing director committed suicide in consequence.

The courts had been overloaded with work in 2010 so May presided over an experiment of have two shifts per day in the last quarter. One case would be heard in early morning shifts to around midday, another from then into the evening day by day. Predictably it failed miserably and was stopped before the end of the year.

Possibly in consequence of an overload due to the double shift case system, the Crown Prosecution Service failed to examine many cases before nodding them though to the courts. When this came to light the then director of the national CPS, Keir Starmer, came under heavy criticism and should have been sacked. Instead he survived and has since become a prominent MP, another reward for inadequacy.

There were many other problems and critcisms of her due to her actions in 2010, and her remaining five years as Home Secretary were similarly afflicted. Throughout was evidence of her bossy attitude, which included suspending an experienced senior civil servant who disagreed with one of her decisions.

None of her record bodes well for a successful Brexit.
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I know quite a few police officers and I think she is / was universally hated. A lot of her spitefulness towards the police was driven by David Cameron humiliation over the Sir Patrick Sheehy report of the early 1990s and the police federations blocking of it. That was added to by the expenses scandal and the police investigation into MPs and further compounded by the Andrew Mitchel incident (Plebgate). She was only able to take her and the Conservative party's revenge because the police are effectively powerless in terms of industrial action.

Her MO is to weaken the ability of the people that she is dealing with to object, resist or to enter into any form of debate regarding her plans. If she comes up against anyone who possesses ability or a strong negotiating position, she invariably fails. Once BREXIT is over, I foresee a major campaign by her to undermine and discredit trade unions and to ultimately remove or seriously water down the ability of workers to take industrial action. The woman is a disgusting affront to the human race.
 

flecc

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If she comes up against anyone who possesses ability or a strong negotiating position, she invariably fails.
I just wish someone else was at the helm for the Brexit negotiations. Hopefully the negotiators who do the real work will be able to operate without too much interference and make good progress, achieving a good result. Whether she lets them do this will be a measure of her wisdom, or lack of it.
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Danidl

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I know quite a few police officers and I think she is / was universally hated. A lot of her spitefulness towards the police was driven by David Cameron humiliation over the Sir Patrick Sheehy report of the early 1990s and the police federations blocking of it. That was added to by the expenses scandal and the police investigation into MPs and further compounded by the Andrew Mitchel incident (Plebgate). She was only able to take her and the Conservative party's revenge because the police are effectively powerless in terms of industrial action.

Her MO is to weaken the ability of the people that she is dealing with to object, resist or to enter into any form of debate regarding her plans. If she comes up against anyone who possesses ability or a strong negotiating position, she invariably fails. Once BREXIT is over, I foresee a major campaign by her to undermine and discredit trade unions and to ultimately remove or seriously water down the ability of workers to take industrial action. The woman is a disgusting affront to the human race.


...... The result that the UK government has succeeded in passing their legislation to allow brexit is a masterful piece of tactical engineering. I disagree with the concept, the rationale, the methods employed and the likely end result, but must applaud the single minded strategy. She has wrong footed every opposition , particularly in the commons in Scotland and in the house of lords . She has denied any solace to any opposition and has achieved her aim.
 
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flecc

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She has denied any solace to any opposition and has achieved her aim.
But is it her aim?

Only weeks before the referendum she made a highly praised speech to a learned institution, expertly demolishing every and any argument for Brexit.

Do we really know what is in the lady's mind?
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Jimod

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I know I am going to regret asking this but within your patent do you have a plan how to transfer the methane into your tank? I cant help thinking it may involve some form of nozzle and hose???
KudosDave
I'm sorry about the late reply but I've been out in my shed. I have fixed it. The wee tank is now designed like a syringe. As the bike travels along the road, the plunger for the syringe is connected through gears so that it is pulled very slowly. This creates just enough of a pressure drop to pull the gas into the tank. Simples.
I have another problem though, getting the gas into the mains gas of my house. I've phoned the plumber about it and after he stopped laughing, ( I think he liked the idea) He said something about the police coming to see me. That's not too bad, they were a good group in their day.

I think I will see a return on my £1.73 investment soon.

To all the remainers and brexiteers I say, bear with me, if this works, the EU will BEG us to do a trade deal.
 

tillson

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But is it her aim?

Only weeks before the referendum she made a highly praised speech to a learned institution, expertly demolishing every and any argument for Brexit.

Do we really know what is in the lady's mind?
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I have just heard Michael Heseltine discussing this on Radio 4. It was a speech which she made to The Institution of Mechanical Engineers. In her speech, she dismantled every argument for leaving the EU.

What has always concerned me about her is the motivation. What is it that has brought about such a radical change?
 
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tillson

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I just wish someone else was at the helm for the Brexit negotiations. Hopefully the negotiators who do the real work will be able to operate without too much interference and make good progress, achieving a good result. Whether she lets them do this will be a measure of her wisdom, or lack of it.
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I don't think that she is a person who people will warm to. I know deals are about mutual benefits etc, but it is important that a mutual respect and empathy for the other side is in existence. I don't think she is capable of this, she can only operate when she is dominating having discredited or wounded her opposition. She is likely to micro-manage and interfere with the negotiations causing a "prickly"atmosphere.
 

flecc

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What is it that has brought about such a radical change?
This is what I'm wondering, is the change real, or is she conducting a long term bluff.

Heseltine is one of many in political circles who believe the British people will change their minds as the problems of Brexit are revealed. Perhaps Theresa May is too, but knowing that as PM she has to simulate the Brexit position meanwhile. That could account for her apparently determined but empty of meaning statement, "Brexit means Brexit".
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