Brexit, for once some facts.
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Sorry OG I apologise for re reporting the lie that Martians had invaded Sweden. ( source The Canary)
Its too daft to laugh at, how can anybody give credence to an organisation reporting such drivel..
What was the lie that got you angry OG ??
KTM
Do you represent KTM motorcycles UK ?? Or just KTM push bikes ?
I do think ( personally) you should be posting on political issues as an individual, more for your own sake to be fair. Its got to affect what folk think of KTM in general. I always thought owner of KTM was Austrian. Didn't realise Liver birds wee so emotional..
Its too daft to laugh at, how can anybody give credence to an organisation reporting such drivel..
What was the lie that got you angry OG ??
KTM
Do you represent KTM motorcycles UK ?? Or just KTM push bikes ?
I do think ( personally) you should be posting on political issues as an individual, more for your own sake to be fair. Its got to affect what folk think of KTM in general. I always thought owner of KTM was Austrian. Didn't realise Liver birds wee so emotional..
Actually I do agree with this sentiment. The question then revolves about at what level you set the pain \ benefit threshold. There are some people who for medical reasons cannot work, they need to be protected , and in a humane society , cherished. There are some people who have done their bit .. retirees and as oneof these , they should be highly cherished, there are some who for a variety of social reasons cannot work and then there are the bone lazy, who will not work.
Systems need to be in place to adaquately protect those who need protection and encourage those who should contribute to contribute.
... Never have consumed illicit substances ..
I'm not sure which answer to give so I will give both.
... Comes from a variety of social reformers who in the late 19 and 20th centuries had a notion that a nation of well fed , somewhat educated youth might be of more value to a society than a sickly beated down peasantry. But what are they to know?
Other answer ... From my fevered brow looking towards the end game of reducing standards
Too thick to understand when you lie?
Sometimes you show an amazing ability to live in a world all your own, and just keep repeating yourself even when proved wrong.
And you are still behaving like an ill mannered pig aren't you?
Your post is off topic too
Those measures already exist and in recent times have been applied extremely harshly, resulting in a number of deaths directly attributable to the imposition of those measures and punitive sanctions.
The UK government treats the nastiest criminals in society better than those in need of state benefits.....literally.
In case you haven't seen the movie I recommended previously to Tillson, I suggest you might also benefit from watching it and I say that in the light of your comments in quotes above.
'I Daniel Blake'
Tom
You really need to spend less time in that co op window OG, you are beginning to have hallucinationss in posts ...getting beyond reading between lines.
Which lie was I proved wrong with ? Oh , yes ofcourse...Martians have infact invaded Sweden, perhaps you should take it up with The Canary...or Blair...your saviour..
The accompanying article is not from the best news source but it does report correctly in this instance.
Marine Le Pen pulled a stunt in Beiruit which, last time I checked, isn't in France. Now, had a Lebanese delegation been invited to France, I would expect that Le Pen would be free to choose any dress format she deemed appropriate and her guests would accept that as her right in her own country. In this case, Le Pen knew the protocols but chose to make a scene for the sake of self-publicity, playing to her audience of right-wing extremists.
The woman has no respect, no manners and no class.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/02/21/french-presidential-candidate-le-pen-refuses-headscarf-to-meet-lebanons-mufti.html
Tom
Marine Le Pen pulled a stunt in Beiruit which, last time I checked, isn't in France. Now, had a Lebanese delegation been invited to France, I would expect that Le Pen would be free to choose any dress format she deemed appropriate and her guests would accept that as her right in her own country. In this case, Le Pen knew the protocols but chose to make a scene for the sake of self-publicity, playing to her audience of right-wing extremists.
The woman has no respect, no manners and no class.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/02/21/french-presidential-candidate-le-pen-refuses-headscarf-to-meet-lebanons-mufti.html
Tom
There is so much information your missing here, that its hard to know where to start.
KTM Motorbikes are a totally separate company to KTM Bike Industries.
I am an individual, I just have a KTM logo because that's what registered here on this forum, because I'm a trade member. My company (FLi) represents lots of brands in the UK, we currently sell about 80 brands to the UK cycle trade, KTM is just one.
The owner of KTM Bike Industries isn't Austrian, or even a man. The gent who's wife cried is the chief, not the owner.
Le Pen was exercising her right , in the interests of all women, not to wear an article of clothing some man had decided she must wear to be in his company. She also told then before hand she would bot wear the veil but they stiill requested her attendance.
She did right
Why should any woman have to cover he face to allow her into the company of some dignitory. Their offence is self inflicted. Would he expect queen to wear same piece of clothing ? Do you think she would ? Besides its off topic.
Off topic? Very very funny[emoji1]
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KTM
So what's connection between yourselves and KTM Sportsmotorcycles AG ( Austria) Their CEO is Austrian ? I,m rather confused, I,d assumed you were a subsidiary of KTM Sportsmotorcycles AG ???
According to Google they are an Austrian company owned by Cross Industries ?? No mention of German heritage ??
I,ve been riding KTM motorcycles since late 80's, just assumed KTM pushbikes ( ebikes?) were a spin off..or is it a different company ?
Think you,ve answered that but ??
So what's connection between yourselves and KTM Sportsmotorcycles AG ( Austria) Their CEO is Austrian ? I,m rather confused, I,d assumed you were a subsidiary of KTM Sportsmotorcycles AG ???
According to Google they are an Austrian company owned by Cross Industries ?? No mention of German heritage ??
I,ve been riding KTM motorcycles since late 80's, just assumed KTM pushbikes ( ebikes?) were a spin off..or is it a different company ?
Think you,ve answered that but ??
I'm frequently in agreement with you Tom, and have no time for Marie le Pen as a politician.
But in this case I believe she was right and it was the Mufti who showed no respect. Religion or any aspect of it should never be imposed, to do so is evil and has even led to the beheading of those who don't agree.
Marie le Pen is French and France is a secular nation, so she was absolutely right to uphold her nation's standards in the face of bigotry. The right to secular behaviour is a human rights issue.
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They were the same company, starting making push bikes in 1964, so not really a spin off.... but it got split up and sold off in the 90s, and since then all bits have grown massively. So there is now no real connection to the motorbike side. Except that they are still both in Mattighofen, which is the M, in KTM. They also share the same logo and have lots of agreements in place. They also share some facilities etc etc.
also... the reason they can compete (and this is motorbike and pushbike KTM) with the Japanese is because 99% of the workforce in the factories are cheap foreign labour who come to Austria to work. The brands are a big European manufacturing success story, with a BIG emphasis on the European bit, a tiny % of the workforce is Austrian.
..... And had she chosen to go nude?
My reading of this was that the meeting did not in fact take place. No offence took place ,. honour or at least face was upheld by both sides.
If I were to invite you to my place, we would have agreed a protocol in advance.. typically to include no string vests on show,. Not being drunk etc. It's called manners. Manners would have been to politely refuse in advance of the meeting to attend, if she knew of the regulation. Grandstanding is what she did.
...... And in respect of your royalty, I recall a tasteful image of a princess Diana wearing a small mantilla when meeting a Pope. In the interests of decency, a mantilla is a small headdress not a dress.
Tom you are not reading the full posting, and assuming that I am advocating repressive measures. In my opinion one of the strongest motivators for behaviour is peer approval or respect. If you live in a society where no-one has been in paid employment for years, then it becomes very difficult to break the mould. .. Like wise. If all, your peers are in employment, you will feel an outcast if your career collapses. Structures to encourage the able but non ,motivated to change their worldview is what I was envisaging.
I agree with most of what you say. Don't lets use the word retirees whilst talking about benefits. A pension, in my view, is not a benefit. A pension, in most cases, is the realisation of a working lifetime of investment. Something which has been purchased and not handed out.
Politicians like to call a pension a benefit. This is part of a softening process which conditions us into compliance when future theft of our pension investment occurs.
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