Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

Is your tinfoil hat dropping down over your eyes, or do you really believe your own conspiracy theories?
once again you are changing your argument from minute to minute aren't you.

Do you need telling yet again that none of us have time for Blair, or do you prefer to continue pretending that remain supporters are fans of his?

Or have you dropped that nonsense in favour of your new childish novelty
"I suspect the latter...somebody is paying him and the BBC are biased enough to give him a platform in hope remain gains support "

And now you are so sure that the leave vote is solid are you?
Since you are prepared to let parliament make up your mind for you , surely you don't give a damn what happens do you?
You just want to argue about it as always.

You either agree with Blair's current ramblings or you don't..Personally think he is simply taking opportunity to fill the void left by no credible opposition or he,s even more scheming and secretly wants to leave. I don't care either way because in past he,s proved himself a liar and totally immoral.
As to your comments re me not caring..again totally wrong. I still believe we are better out of EU ( for reasons I,ve listed too many times) but if the democratic process says we stay I,ll accept this unwise decision.

You have still not justified calling me a liar, yes I expressed an opinion about Blair but what did I lie about.
And you have still not explained how you reconcile your remain campaign been championed by most immoral MP in our history..Tom admitted he,d change to Brexit before wanting Blair back in power ? Where do you stand OG? It could come to it !
Stay with Blair or Leave with May ?? Again I,d choose latter as most right minded folk would...

 

[oldtom]

Last time I saw a picture of the 'Brexit' battlebus, it looked remarkably similar to the attached image.

One would need to be very, very picky to suggest that anything other than an expectation that the £350M would be better utilised funding the NHS was the intended message of the bold statement.



Sadly, while all singing from the same songsheet, an old Danny Kaye song from a tale by Hans Christian Anderson, a large number of our citizens fell for this, believing the liars and buffoons promoting the idea.

This is the story of the King's new clothes:
Now there was once a king who was absolutely insane
about new clothes and one day, two swindlers came to
sell him what they said was a magic suit of clothes.
Now, they held up this particular garment and they
said, "Your Majesty, this is a magic suit." Well, the
truth of the matter is, there was no suit there at all.
But the swindlers were very smart, and they said, "Your
Majesty, to a wise man this is a beautiful raiment but
to a fool it is absolutely invisible." Naturally, the
King not wanting to appear a fool, said,

"Isn't it grand! Isn't it fine! Look at the cut, the
style, the line!
The suit of clothes is all together
But all together it's all together
The most remarkable suit of clothes that I have ever
seen.
These eyes of mine at once determined
The sleeves are velvet, the cape is ermine
The hose are blue and the doublet is a lovely shade of
green.
Somebody send for the Queen."

Well they sent for the Queen and they quickly explained
to her about the magic suit of clothes. And naturally,
the Queen not wanting to appear a fool, said,

"Well, isn't it oh! Isn't it rich! Look at the charm of
every stitch!
The suit of clothes is all together
But all together it's all together
The most remarkable suit of clothes that I have ever
seen.
These eyes of mine at once determined
The sleeves are velvet, the cape is ermine
The hose are blue and the doublet is a lovely shade of
green.
Summon the court to convene."

Well the court convened, and you never saw in your life
as many people as were at that court. All the
ambassadors, the dukes, the earls, the counts, it was
just black with people, and they were all told about
the magic suit of clothes. And after they were told
they naturally didn't want to appear fools and they
said,

"Isn't it ohhh! Isn't it ahhh! Isn't it absolutely
wheee(whistle sound)!
The suit of clothes is all together
But all together it's all together
The most remarkable suit of clothes a tailor ever made.
Now quickly, put it all together
With gloves of leather and hat and feather
It's all together the thing to wear in Saturday's
parade.
Leading the royal brigade."

Now Saturday came and the streets were just lined with
thousands, and thousands, and thousands of people, and
they all were cheering as the artillery came by, the
infantry marched by, the cavalry galloped by. And
everybody was cheering like mad, except one little boy.
You see, he hadn't heard about the magic suit and
didn't know what he was supposed to see. Well, as the
King came by the little boy looked and, horrified,
said,

"Look at the King! Look at the the King! Look at the
King, the King, the King!
The King is in the all together
But all together the all together
He's all together as naked as the day that he was born.
The King is in the all together
But all together the all together
It's all together the very least the King has ever
worn."

All the courts positioned to call an intermission
His majesty is wide open to ridicule and scorn

The King is in the all together
But all together the all together
He's all together as naked as the day that he was born.
And it's all together too chilly a morn!

Almost 8 months after the referendum, they still believe! I actually consider that many 'Brexit' supporters still haven't grasped that there is something more sinister going on than simply an opportunity for a UK secession from the EU. They either miss the fact, or worse, ignore it if they have identified it, that this whole movement has been driven from the start by right-wing extremists, whose adherents have no track record, ever...in any country, of enriching the lives of the poor and needy underclasses in society.

Their motives involve crushing the weak and ruling over the ordinary people as has always been the way throughout history when power is allowed to evolve into absolute power. All fascists behave the same way and democracy is anathema to them. Absolute power in the hands of oligarchs and/or plutocrats with absolute control of media, justice, armed forces and police is what they are about. The tory view on redistribution of wealth is to take from the workers in tax and duties, greater and greater sums and sharing that wealth amongst their own ilk.

Naturally, there will be no trade unions nor representative bodies and collective action of any kind will be deemed illegal. There will be no HRA or H&S legislation and those who get sick will either have money to pay for medical treatment or they will die. That dystopian nightmare is brought much closer because of 'Brexit' and the support of fascist organisations given by those brought up on a lifelong diet of tory propaganda through Murdoch's media and the BBC.

'Brexit' = economic, political and strategic suicide. After 8 months of tub-thumping, not one promise of how our lives will be made better has been published. At least we still have a degree of free speech but that won't last long post-'Brexit' under an even more empowered fascist government. We know that from history and General Pinochet, idolised by a former tory PM, demonstrated exactly how political opponents are dealt with by a fascist government.

Notwithstanding the passage of time, there is no discernible difference between the two shysters who fronted up the 'Brexit' con and the two swindlers in the Andersen tale.

Tom

 

[Croxden]

I,d choose latter as most right minded folk would...

Do you consider yourself to be 'right minded'?

 

[Kudoscycles]

I,m wrong about Tony Blair OG ? Or that he is championing remain ??? Where is the lie in that ??

Just ask yourself why ?
Either he sees profit and power in it ?
Or He,s pushing support away from remain ?
I suspect the latter...somebody is paying him and the BBC are biased enough to give him a platform in hope remain gains support when infact he is the most despised ( what is he these days) politician probably in the world.( ok probably second)

I think you have been listening too much to media conspiracy theories promoted by Trump.
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

You either agree with Blair's current ramblings or you don't..Personally think he is simply taking opportunity to fill the void left by no credible opposition or he,s even more scheming and secretly wants to leave. I don't care either way because in past he,s proved himself a liar and totally immoral.
As to your comments re me not caring..again totally wrong. I still believe we are better out of EU ( for reasons I,ve listed too many times) but if the democratic process says we stay I,ll accept this unwise decision.

You have still not justified calling me a liar, yes I expressed an opinion about Blair but what did I lie about.
And you have still not explained how you reconcile your remain campaign been championed by most immoral MP in our history..Tom admitted he,d change to Brexit before wanting Blair back in power ? Where do you stand OG? It could come to it !
Stay with Blair or Leave with May ?? Again I,d choose latter as most right minded folk would...

Blair wasn't rambling,his speech was succinct and well presented,The considerable Remain content would suggest he is a Remainer,if not his speech would have had no purpose.
Your final sentence 'Leave with May as most right minded folk would'....I think you mean 'right thinking' not 'right minded'.
KudosDave

 

[Zlatan]

Do you consider yourself to be 'right minded'?

Probably but I don't drive about in a car powered by Duracell, which means you must be I suppose..
Or are you saying you,d rather stay with Blair back in charge ???

Kudos
We are getting rather pedantic now, right minded or right thinking ??
But which would you choose? Stay with Blair or leave with May ??

And yes Blair has always been a great orator, that's not new in history now is it. Both Churchill and Hitler were .Think Blair is much nearer one than other and I don't need to tell you which one of those two was the socialist.(well a sort of socialist)

OG hasn't posted for a couple of hours. Hope he,s OK. Must be reading up on his new hero.
The remain king Blair. Its more damaging to remain than if Farage had done a U turn and jumped on bandwagon. That's all he,s doing.

 

[Kudoscycles]

Someone said earlier that May has been lucky....I think the GM/Vauxhall v PSA deal may be when her luck runs out.
If Luton and Ellesmere Port are Leave vote areas that may be the catalyst for some blue collar workers to think twice when they lose their jobs,good timing,hehe
KudosDave

 

[anotherkiwi]

Someone said earlier that May has been lucky....I think the GM/Vauxhall v PSA deal may be when her luck runs out.
If Luton and Ellesmere Port are Leave vote areas that may be the catalyst for some blue collar workers to think twice when they lose their jobs,good timing,hehe
KudosDave

Merkel after a moment of doubt is OK with the deal. I think PSA may have said that Opel gets to keep its factory...

 

[Kudoscycles]

Probably but I don't drive about in a car powered by Duracell, which means you must be I suppose..
Or are you saying you,d rather stay with Blair back in charge ???

Kudos
We are getting rather pedantic now, right minded or right thinking ??
But which would you choose? Stay with Blair or leave with May ??

And yes Blair has always been a great orator, that's not new in history now is it. Both Churchill and Hitler were .Think Blair is much nearer one than other and I don't need to tell you which one of those two was the socialist.

OG hasn't posted for a couple of hours. Hope he,s OK.

There is the world of difference between right minded and right thinking,certainly not being pedantic,they have entirely different meanings...we don't know whether you are right minded but we do know you are right thinking.
At this moment Blair is not on the radar,we are told by Leavers that we are leaving ,I assume with May, unless some event disrupts that path.
I think Blair could be building a foundation to be ready for a post Brexit centre left party when Brexit does not evolve as Leavers expect,ready to arrive like a white knight,picking up the pieces,the saviour of our nation,hehe.....I wrote this in jest but our politics are strange at present,who knows what will be the post Brexit landscape.
KudosDave

 

[Zlatan]

Someone said earlier that May has been lucky....I think the GM/Vauxhall v PSA deal may be when her luck runs out.
If Luton and Ellesmere Port are Leave vote areas that may be the catalyst for some blue collar workers to think twice when they lose their jobs,good timing,hehe
KudosDave

I think you would be right but it could be too late. As we are at moment May is pretty much assured of power even if leave proves to be damaging. I suspect she thinks (or the government thinks) they can ride out the storm of short term difficulties after leave, hoping things will pick up by time there is a viable alternative, which lets face it could give tories another 10 years, especially now Blair has played into Tory hands. They know full well he cant offer viable opposition. Think it might have been better had the clever Milliband thrown his hat in.

Posts crossed Kudos..some would argue I,m neither right thinking or right minded.
But fair point. Actually agree with crossed post about Blair. Would be more viable with somebody else though . He does have a few ( well lots) of support in certain labour quarters but he,s hated in much of country..by right minded and right thinking people alike..

 

[Kudoscycles]

Merkel after a moment of doubt is OK with the deal. I think PSA may have said that Opel gets to keep its factory...

May is urgently getting involved,does that mean we will lose Vauxhall....I don't think the French are going to look favourably on the UK versus Germany,after all they are part of the club we are leaving.
Shame Vauxhall is historically a strong marque in the UK. Not sure how many years?
KudosDave

 

[Zlatan]

Googled " Right thinking"

Reply
" Right minded"

Google knows nowt.

 

[Zlatan]

Robdon disagrees with Google. Brilliant OG.

The Vauxhall /Opel situation is complicated by owners. GM have owned both since 1931, both American owned. Just like Ford.
I believe GM bought Vauxhall before they acquired Opel. ( mid 20's)

 

[Croxden]

Probably but I don't drive about in a car powered by Duracell, which means you must be I suppose..
Or are you saying you,d rather stay with Blair back in charge ???
.

My experience with Duracell has been disappointing and so find them unreliable. Blair ran the country at its most successful in recent years, one error listening to someone with your ability caused the shameful error.

 

[Danidl]

Probably but I don't drive about in a car powered by Duracell, which means you must be I suppose..
Or are you saying you,d rather stay with Blair back in charge ???

Kudos
We are getting rather pedantic now, right minded or right thinking ??
But which would you choose? Stay with Blair or leave with May ??

And yes Blair has always been a great orator, that's not new in history now is it. Both Churchill and Hitler were .Think Blair is much nearer one than other and I don't need to tell you which one of those two was the socialist.(well a sort of socialist)

OG hasn't posted for a couple of hours. Hope he,s OK. Must be reading up on his new hero.
The remain king Blair. Its more damaging to remain than if Farage had done a U turn and jumped on bandwagon. That's all he,s doing.

Would it never have crossed your mind that he might simply believe that the UK is better within than without ?. Remember there were at least 16million who thought so 7 months ago.

 

[oldgroaner]

You either agree with Blair's current ramblings or you don't..Personally think he is simply taking opportunity to fill the void left by no credible opposition or he,s even more scheming and secretly wants to leave. I don't care either way because in past he,s proved himself a liar and totally immoral.
As to your comments re me not caring..again totally wrong. I still believe we are better out of EU ( for reasons I,ve listed too many times) but if the democratic process says we stay I,ll accept this unwise decision.

You have still not justified calling me a liar, yes I expressed an opinion about Blair but what did I lie about.
And you have still not explained how you reconcile your remain campaign been championed by most immoral MP in our history..Tom admitted he,d change to Brexit before wanting Blair back in power ? Where do you stand OG? It could come to it !
Stay with Blair or Leave with May ?? Again I,d choose latter as most right minded folk would...

Are you unable to understand that Blair is simply another individual that no one wants other than to see him in jail?
The lie is your implication that the Remain voters either want him or support him, and that voting to remain has any connection with the man.
"OG hasn't posted for a couple of hours. Hope he,s OK. Must be reading up on his new hero.
The remain king Blair. Its more damaging to remain than if Farage had done a U turn and jumped on bandwagon. That's all he,s doing."
That is a lie that you keep trotting out for some reason.
Try to get it into the grey sludge behind your eyes that Remain supporters are entitled to opinions of their own that are not tainted because Blair happens to support the same point of view.
Where would I stand ? entirely independent of whoever gets into power on the issue of remaining the EU
Not hard for anyone with even half a functioning brain to understand surely?

 

[oldgroaner]

Would it never have crossed your mind that he might simply believe that the UK is better within than without ?. Remember there were at least 16million who thought so 7 months ago.

If it did it was a brief journey.

 

[oldgroaner]

Robdon disagrees with Google. Brilliant OG.

The Vauxhall /Opel situation is complicated by owners. GM have owned both since 1931, both American owned. Just like Ford.
I believe GM bought Vauxhall before they acquired Opel. ( mid 20's)

What has this got to do with me? are you suffering memory fade again?

 

[oldgroaner]

The Sunday Express is misunderstanding it's audience
COMMONWEALTH REBIRTH: Brexit Britain to shun EU for QUEEN'S countries in new plans
SPECIAL passport arrangements between the UK and Commonwealth countries where the Queen is head of state have been discussed “at the highest level”.
For some reason the Brexit voting readers don't seem to like it!

 

[oldtom]

Where would I stand ? entirely independent of whoever gets into power on the issue of remaining the EU

Like you OG, my political leanings permit me to reserve the right at all times and on all issues. Where B-liar stands on the secession issue is an irrelevance although a distraction for me and probably all decent people in the UK.

The UK and probably the whole western world would be a better place if B-liar and the Straw-man were serving very long prison sentences for crimes against humanity brought about by their lies to parliament and to the British people.

Tom