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jonathan.agnew

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Someone should remind Liz and Kwasi that Putin also went for growth.

Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine.

Look how that went.
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Ironically heard truss on radio this am finally breaking cover - and blaming putin for the budget fiasco. A lot like Chris whatsisname (second in command at treasury and a visibly shaken, bug eye staring bloke who seem every bit as competent as kwasi) on telly last night. The problem - if I park all my anti conservative bias - is that the tories are in a terrible bind. Truss cannot change direction without losing all "credibility" and they cannot afford another leadership election. Were in a suicide pact.
 

flecc

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A lot like Chris whatsisname (second in command at treasury and a visibly shaken, bug eye staring bloke who seem every bit as competent as kwasi) on telly last night.
That's Chris Philp, MP for Croydon South, adjacent to my ward, a prize twerp.

Thankfully I have a Labour MP, Sarah Jones, who kicked another Tory prize twerp out of office, Gavin Barlow who then became Theresa May's advisor in number 10. That didn't go well either!
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I saw LT on TV this morning. Still defiant.
Reaction of the market? the FTSE is falling very sharply. FTSE100 -2.24%, FTSE250 -2.53%, GBP/USD 1.07
The pension funds hold about £1 trillion of treasury bonds. They lost 30% of bonds value.
At this rate, the 1922 commitee will have to change their rules on no confidence vote sharpish.
They are bankrupting the country.
 

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As you posted, she can't can't back down now. She will have to be removed from office.

Tory woman PM number 3.

Thatcher, May, Truss, TMT. More like TNT.

Will they dare go for a number 4?
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Ironic (yes, intentional backward reference) - I really don't believe it is their womanhood per se which has been the problem. But them as individuals.

The result might be, as you sort-of imply, no more female tory PMs.

Mind, many males haven't been so much better. Perhaps it is time for a trans or a-sexual PM?
 
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Ironic (yes, intentional backward reference) - I really don't believe it is their womanhood per se which has been the problem. But them as individuals.
Common to all three, a stubborn refusal to change mind, no matter how obviously that is necessary.

Controversial I know, but in my experience more a female characteristic.

Men will change their mind and then pretend they knew the right course all along.
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Common to all three, a stubborn refusal to change mind, no matter how obviously that is necessary.

Controversial I know, but in my experience more a female characteristic.

Men will change their mind and then pretend they knew the right course all along.
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It might be somewhat more characteristic of a woman who has had to (chosen to - it's not compulsory) go through the political career path. With all that entails.
 

flecc

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It might be somewhat more characteristic of a woman who has had to (chosen to - it's not compulsory) go through the political career path. With all that entails.
Maybe, but I've never personally known any women politicians so can't begin to judge that.
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Ironically heard truss on radio this am finally breaking cover - and blaming putin for the budget fiasco. A lot like Chris whatsisname (second in command at treasury and a visibly shaken, bug eye staring bloke who seem every bit as competent as kwasi) on telly last night. The problem - if I park all my anti conservative bias - is that the tories are in a terrible bind. Truss cannot change direction without losing all "credibility" and they cannot afford another leadership election. Were in a suicide pact.
Time for Charlie Boy to step in and make a hero of himself by dissolving parliament
 
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I wonder if the pound will settle, after a period of hedge fund/other automatic short selling tactics cease to provide a reasonable return? Reagan didn't have to worry about that nearly as much, way back when, and they are following Reagan's playbook not Thatcher's - growth via the countries' credit card, inflation be damned and the central bank's problem. Expect ruthless shrinking of the state next.
 

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Time for Charlie Boy to step in and make a hero of himself by dissolving parliament
He can't do it any more. That right of the Crown had been in doubt since an act in 2011, and the prorogue by Queen Elizabeth II in 2019 upon the advice of Boris Johnson was later ruled to be unlawful.

The No Confidence vote is now the only possibility, under the control of the 1922 committee currently.
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I wonder if the pound will settle, after a period of hedge fund/other automatic short selling tactics cease to provide a reasonable return? Reagan didn't have to worry about that nearly as much, way back when, and they are following Reagan's playbook not Thatcher's - growth via the countries' credit card, inflation be damned and the central bank's problem. Expect ruthless shrinking of the state next.
the pound will settle when we have demonstrated fiscal responsibility, no unfunded spending, especially on buying votes.
our economy will slip behind Italy's and we'll be out of the G7 in a year or two.
 

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He can't do it any more. That right of the Crown had been in doubt since an act in 2011, and the prorogue by Queen Elizabeth II in 2019 upon the advice of Boris Johnson was later ruled to be unlawful.

The No Confidence vote is now the only possibility, under the control of the 1922 committee currently.
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Here's to hoping not too many of them are shorting UK plc
 
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oyster

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He can't do it any more. That right of the Crown had been in doubt since an act in 2011, and the prorogue by Queen Elizabeth II in 2019 upon the advice of Boris Johnson was later ruled to be unlawful.

The No Confidence vote is now the only possibility, under the control of the 1922 committee currently.
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Technically, a vote of confidence is under the control of 1922. But a vote of no confidence can be initiated by the opposition (or, I believe, theoretically by any other party).

(British Constitution according to Wiki. :) )
 
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jonathan.agnew

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I wonder if the pound will settle, after a period of hedge fund/other automatic short selling tactics cease to provide a reasonable return? Reagan didn't have to worry about that nearly as much, way back when, and they are following Reagan's playbook not Thatcher's - growth via the countries' credit card, inflation be damned and the central bank's problem. Expect ruthless shrinking of the state next.
I guess unlike America under Reagan we have very low unemployment in a relatively low skilled menial way in an economy that has for so long been about money laundering that it lost the infrastructure to grow around. And we have conservatives who would rather cut tax for offshore multinationals and wealthy individuals than tax and invest in the economy (as starmer propose with great British energy). Conservative politics since Thatcher via brexit have well and truly ******, rogered, annihilated the British economy
 

oyster

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I wonder if the pound will settle, after a period of hedge fund/other automatic short selling tactics cease to provide a reasonable return? Reagan didn't have to worry about that nearly as much, way back when, and they are following Reagan's playbook not Thatcher's - growth via the countries' credit card, inflation be damned and the central bank's problem. Expect ruthless shrinking of the state next.
Whatever actually happens, the attitude and incompetence shown by LT and KK has fatally undermined them. And this morning's local radio interviews didn't help.

It is all very well procaliming belief. But it is the irrational belief that is akin to religion they are showing. Not the belief based on sound argument and open to change with circumstances and seeing effects. Maybe, on occasion, both come to the same conclusion about an issue. But religion and politics are very bad bedfellows.
 

flecc

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Technically, a vote of confidence is under the control of 1922. But a vote of no confidence can be initiated by the opposition (or, I believe, theoretically by any other party).

(British Constitution according to Wiki. :) )
Of course, but as I posted, currently under the control of the 1922 committee. In two ways:

Firstly their bar on a second vote within a year which they would have to lift.

Secondly the Tory majority means no opposition can at present.
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