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I've no idea, cancer has so many and varied causes but few caused by natural foods we eat, unless of course eaten to excess.

I take all the information spread about radiation and cancer with a pinch of salt. There's a huge anti all forms of nuclear lobby very active in the world and those involved seize any and every opportunity to be alarmist with their propaganda.
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I've no idea, cancer has so many and varied causes but few caused by natural foods we eat, unless of course eaten to excess.

I take all the information spread about radiation and cancer with a pinch of salt. There's a huge anti all forms of nuclear lobby very active in the world and those involved seize any and every opportunity to be alarmist with their propaganda.
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Flecc.... Sorry this is a topic outside your range of expertise. the effects of ionising radiation are not a matter of opinion, they are the results of quantitative measurements. low level radiation may take months or years to be to manifest itself as cancers etc. my sister being a case in point. a total none smoker, senior nurse with a very healthy lifestyle. It came as a great shock to her and us to discover she had contracted lung cancer . They brought forward her operation by a few weeks into late February 2019, because Covid was coming down the tracks , and they needed to clear the wards. After the operation I examined the geological landscape of her home in Wexford. and discovered that it was on the edge of a granite escarpment , and hence a radon blackspot.
Now alpha emitters are utterly harmless , a sheet of paper stops them , unless ingested, where they are one of the most potent short range sources. Consumption of radio active foods is a fruitful source of cancers...
 

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All very well, but I hate it when everyone uses their local vote against the national government instead of local issues and Council performance.

Especially when the outcome points to a hung parliament next GE with lots of votes going to the minority parties, Lib Dems, Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru.

Both Labour and Tories certainly haven't anything to be confident about unless they do very much better.
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Flecc.... Sorry this is a topic outside your range of expertise.
Arrogant as ever with your first assumption. Actually it is well within the range of my knowledge and expertise, possibly predating yours, having used alpha emitters under Home Office licence for decades from early 1973 on.

And I'm well aware of granite radon blackspots such as our own in Devon and the record breaking ones in some other locations, such as Sweden with areas at five times Devon levels of radiation. I know of no correlation with cancer outcomes in those areas, such as you feel there is in your second assumption.
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Arrogant as ever with your first assumption. Actually it is well within the range of my knowledge and expertise, possibly predating yours, having used alpha emitters under Home Office licence for decades from early 1973 on.

And I'm well aware of granite radon blackspots such as our own in Devon and the record breaking ones in some other locations, such as Sweden with areas at five times Devon levels of radiation. I know of no correlation with cancer outcomes in those areas, such as you feel there is in your second assumption.
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The correlation with radon and cancer is well established.... I am not going to continue a dialogue of the deaf.
Former U.S. Surgeon General Richard H. Carmona, Releases National Health Advisory on Radon
(January 13, 2005) U.S. Surgeon General, Richard H. Carmona, issues a Health Advisory warning Americans about the health risk from exposure to radon in indoor air. The Chief Physician urged Americans to test their homes to find out how much radon they might be breathing.

Dr. Carmona also stressed the need to remedy the problem as soon as possible when the radon level is 4 pCi/L or more, noting that more than 20,000 Americans die of radon-related lung cancer each year.
 
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The correlation with radon and cancer is well established.... I am not going to continue a dialogue of the deaf.
Former U.S. Surgeon General Richard H. Carmona, Releases National Health Advisory on Radon
(January 13, 2005) U.S. Surgeon General, Richard H. Carmona, issues a Health Advisory warning Americans about the health risk from exposure to radon in indoor air. The Chief Physician urged Americans to test their homes to find out how much radon they might be breathing.

Dr. Carmona also stressed the need to remedy the problem as soon as possible when the radon level is 4 pCi/L or more, noting that more than 20,000 Americans die of radon-related lung cancer each year.
You fall for it all, don't you, just as you have with Covid-19 and the "vaccines"?

We certainly know the possible causes of cancers and the huge numbers of cancers they cause. What none of us know is what the risks are for any invidual or what actually caused most individual cancers. A mystery that enabled the tobacco companies to get away with murder, and still does.

For everyone who obediently died in support of what Dr Carmona stated, there was at least another in the same circumstances who didn't. Such is undeniably the nature of cancer
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All very well, but I hate it when everyone uses their local vote against the national government instead of local issues and Council performance.

Especially when the outcome points to a hung parliament next GE with lots of votes going to the minority parties, Lib Dems, Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru.

Both Labour and Tories certainly haven't anything to be confident about unless they do very much better.
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We can't NOT use our local vote in that way! The government would have taken a high vote for tory councillors as endorsement of them as the national government.

If the local vote were truly separated (and I have no idea how to do so), then your argument makes some sense.
 

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Grab pathetic mild amusement while we can! I only saw the first part of this headline at first:

Queen’s speech set to include crackdown on unregulated schools
 

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We can't NOT use our local vote in that way!
I strongly disagree, I've always voted on local issues only in local elections and that's true of many others. That's why for decades I haven't voted Tory in General Elections or at GLC and London Mayoral level but always voted Tory in the local Borough Council elections. My local votes are based on the actual performances of the parties who have held power locally, hence the difference.

And to show my attitude on this is widespread, my local Croydon borough has just bucked the London swing to Labour locally by electing a Tory Croydon Mayor, albeit marginally. We are still awaiting the count for the local councillors.
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I strongly disagree, I've always voted on local issues only in local elections and that's true of many others. That's why for decades I haven't voted Tory in General Elections or at GLC and London Mayoral level but always voted Tory in the local Borough Council elections. My local votes are based on the actual performances of the parties who have held power locally, hence the difference.

And to show my attitude on this is widespread, my local Croydon borough has just bucked the London swing to Labour locally by electing a Tory Croydon Mayor, albeit marginally. We are still awaiting the count for the local councillors.
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Whatever is in your mind is your reason or justification. But the national parties will consider your vote an endorsement of them and their policies. At least to claim even if they don't believe it deep, deep down.
 

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Whatever is in your mind is your reason or justification. But the national parties will consider your vote an endorsement of them and their policies. At least to claim even if they don't believe it deep, deep down.
Agreed, but why should I care when I know that they know that won't be true at national level?

That is already the case since the outcome is hardly good for them or anyone, indicating a hung parliament. That's what happens when people stupidly vote a national preference in a local election.
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Agreed, but why should I care when I know that they know that won't be true at national level?

That is already the case since the outcome is hardly good for them or anyone, indicating a hung parliament. That's what happens when people stupidly vote a national preference in a local election.
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If, say, the tories appear to have a much higher popularity because they misleadingly claim every local vote is an endorsement, there are many who will not bother to vote against simply because they can't see their vote being significant.

For many years I lived ina small city which was an absolutely safe tory seat. Though I always did vote, it was difficult to see the point much of the time.
 

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If, say, the tories appear to have a much higher popularity because they misleadingly claim every local vote is an endorsement, there are many who will not bother to vote against simply because they can't see their vote being significant.
The population really aren't quite that stupid. They don't believe what parties claim and enough like me know the difference between a local and a national vote. They also hear the pundits pointing these out and what the vote really meant, a hung parliament if translated to a national outcome. We all know that this has just been a protest vote, mainly against the Tories but also against Labour, as the big growth in the votes for the minority parties show.

For many years I lived in a small city which was an absolutely safe tory seat. Though I always did vote, it was difficult to see the point much of the time.
For many years I've lived in a small country, England, which has almost always been safely Tory or Tory substitute. So although I always did vote, it was difficult to see the point of mine, either Labour or an alternative during the New Labour period.

I don't see much improvement in that position for the next GE., but fortunately I don't much care any more at my age, it's no longer my future.
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Why does Russia have so few newer naval ships that are of substantial tonnage?

Apparently, other than nuclear power, they do not have the ability to manufacture the big engines needed. They have previously acquired them from Ukraine.

Some sources suggest they are actually operating ships up to 80 years old.
 

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Funny how people forget things. Like Johnson wandering round a hospital without a mask. The evidence for that was overwhelming and very public.
 

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So, Johnson, you are going to slash red tape. Just remind us, how did that go for Cameron? And the residents of Grenfell?

After more than a decade of tory government, how come there is any red tape left? Surely, if you (the tories) had fulfilled your promises, there would by now be almost none.

People seem so keen to get rid of rules, laws, etc., that they don't like. But pretty damned upset when they lose protections which were afforded before they were scrapped.

Of course, there are areas which require revision, and re-working to plug holes, avoid unintentional effects, and so on. But just scrapping causes many problems.
 

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Is there a cunning plan in place?

Recently, supermarkets seem to have run out of baskets! Lidl only recently re-introduced hand baskets having gone for trundle-baskets with wheels. But there seem to be none available even at the tills. The bottom-basket-and-wheels which are the bottom of the stack are still there but virtually no actual baskets.

Aldi, who until recently have always had baskets. Seem to have none actually available much of the time.

Tesco, Morrisons and Asda also seem to have fewer baskets and often require you to grab one from the tills rather than at the entrance.

Other than forcing people to use trolleys, thus hoping people buy more, I can't fathom a reason. But it seems rather odd for the problem to be widespread.
 
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Is there a cunning plan in place?

Recently, supermarkets seem to have run out of baskets! Lidl only recently re-introduced hand baskets having gone for trundle-baskets with wheels. But there seem to be none available even at the tills. The bottom-basket-and-wheels which are the bottom of the stack are still there but virtually no actual baskets.

Aldi, who until recently have always had baskets. Seem to have none actually available much of the time.

Tesco, Morrisons and Asda also seem to have fewer baskets and often require you to grab one from the tills rather than at the entrance.

Other than forcing people to use trolleys, thus hoping people buy more, I can't fathom a reason. But it seems rather odd for the problem to be widespread.
Sainsburys variation is replacing many of the roomy, larger area wire baskets with smaller capacity plastic ones. The wire baskets do suffer lots of damage, buckled handles or the handle end loops opening and seizing at the pivot point, so that may be one reason.

Another could be that they want us to use trolleys and their Smart Check Out with their hand held gadgets or our own smartphones and as I've explained to them, basket users can't. One hand holding the basket, our second hand picking up the item to pop it in the basket and our third hand to hold the recording gadget or smartphone to read it's bar code.

I think the latter reason very likely for Sainburys, since the Smart Check Out has been a very expensive flop in their branches I've seen. Always looking very empty but the normal self checkouts popular and packed.
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Sainsburys variation is replacing many of the roomy, larger area wire baskets with smaller capacity plastic ones. The wire baskets do suffer lots of damage, buckled handles or the handle end loops opening and seizing at the pivot point, so that may be one reason.

Another could be that they want us to use trolleys and their Smart Check Out with their hand held gadgets or our own smartphones and as I've explained to them, basket users can't. One hand holding the basket, our second hand picking up the item to pop it in the basket and our third hand to hold the recording gadget or smartphone to read it's bar code.

I think the latter reason very likely for Sainburys, since the Smart Check Out has been a very expensive flop in their branches I've seen. Always looking very empty but the normal self checkouts popular and packed.
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Aldi and Lidl both have plastic baskets - and neither has a self-service nor a way of adding items as you go round the shop. n Or, rather, if they have any baskets available, they are plastic! Only Lidl does the trundle baskets - which I hate. All that bending and the way people can not notice them and kick or "trip" over them.

(Plastic baskets appear to be much dirtier than wire. They often have visible smears of various unidentifiable substances. They should have a basket washing machine!)

Understand very much about third hand!
It just seems so odd that it has really chamnged in the past few weeks - and not only at our closest branches.
 
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