Brexit, for once some facts.
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I'm not sure we have ever had a non-political comment posted in this thread so I decided it's time we had one..........
Tom
Tom
Interesting that the Beeb interviewed both Leavers and Remainers after the vote last night. Every Remainer mentioned the economy but every Leaver was only interested in them making our own laws again,assuming these right wingers hold the power post Brexit god knows what laws they can dream up....bring back birching,waterboarding,free port in the house,zero tax on Bentleys......when the interviewer asked these guys,they dismissed the economy as an annoying side show to their prize.
KudosDave
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The office of arguably the most powerful man on the planet is now occupied by this man, Donald Duck.....sorry, Donald Trump! Here he is hard at work......
Tom
Tom
I appear to be confused surely it was the other way round? or am I just suffering from Brain Fade?
The economy was only an annoying side to their prize?
Surely that where the oppressive regime they will introduce is entirely focused on enhancing what they can milk out of the economy?
Or is something worse that that intended?
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The following article illustrates why Far right politicians wanted Brexit and duped to Public to go for it and answers the question that puzzled me, why are they so keen to have complete control of the Law?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/02/corporate-dark-money-power-atlantic-lobbyists-brexit
Sold off to the highest bidder, some "control" eh, Brexiters?
And it fits with what is happening Stateside, the biggest con trick of all time is well under way
And it confirms my statement that Trump is a Stooge of Corporate Power.
Well at least he is ambitious 282 Campaign promises?
https://www.indy100.com/article/here-are-donald-trumps-282-campaign-promises-7445061
All nonsense? believe that at your peril.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/02/corporate-dark-money-power-atlantic-lobbyists-brexit
Sold off to the highest bidder, some "control" eh, Brexiters?
And it fits with what is happening Stateside, the biggest con trick of all time is well under way
And it confirms my statement that Trump is a Stooge of Corporate Power.
Well at least he is ambitious 282 Campaign promises?
https://www.indy100.com/article/here-are-donald-trumps-282-campaign-promises-7445061
All nonsense? believe that at your peril.
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Growth, because we're still in the EU!!!!!!! We've not left yet!!!!
2% growth because of 3% inflation.
The economy would have been otherwise stagnant or worse as forecast.
The economy would have been otherwise stagnant or worse as forecast.
From the Torygraph today
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Theresa May faces fresh legal challenge over Brexit as David Davis refuses to rule out MPs' vote on leaving European Economic Area
On Thursday David Davis, the Brexit secretary, refused to rule out a vote on leaving the EEA when he was asked about it in the Commons by Labour MP Heidi Alexander.
He replied: “Once we are outside the EU, the question of whether we automatically cease to be a member of the EEA becomes a legal empty vessel.
“We will look at that. If we do propose to withdraw from the EEA, we will come back and tell the House.”
Mr Wilding and Mr Yalland argue the Government “has no mandate” to withdraw from the single market because the issue of leaving the EEA was not on the referendum ballot paper last June.
They argue that the European Economic Area Act 1993 established EEA rights in domestic British law, and that Act can only be repealed by a vote in Parliament.
If they are successful, the High Court will hold a separate hearing to decide whether a separate vote is legally required.
The EEA agreement provides for the free movement of persons, goods, services and capital within the single market.
It comes barely a week after the Supreme Court ruled that Parliament had to pass an Act of Parliament to take the UK out of the EU on a similar point of law.
"To Brexit or not to Brexit, and pretend you actually did, that is the Question?"
It looks as if "The Plan" consists of the following strategems.
Tell the Public one thing,then the opposite, and confuse the public to the point they think they are on a diet of Viagra and Prunes.
Then secretly remain "Innish" with the EU (new word to add to the Brexit Lexicon) while announcing "Victory, We're FREE!"
Once the Voters have fallen for this and think they have won
Bleed them white.
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Theresa May faces fresh legal challenge over Brexit as David Davis refuses to rule out MPs' vote on leaving European Economic Area
On Thursday David Davis, the Brexit secretary, refused to rule out a vote on leaving the EEA when he was asked about it in the Commons by Labour MP Heidi Alexander.
He replied: “Once we are outside the EU, the question of whether we automatically cease to be a member of the EEA becomes a legal empty vessel.
“We will look at that. If we do propose to withdraw from the EEA, we will come back and tell the House.”
Mr Wilding and Mr Yalland argue the Government “has no mandate” to withdraw from the single market because the issue of leaving the EEA was not on the referendum ballot paper last June.
They argue that the European Economic Area Act 1993 established EEA rights in domestic British law, and that Act can only be repealed by a vote in Parliament.
If they are successful, the High Court will hold a separate hearing to decide whether a separate vote is legally required.
The EEA agreement provides for the free movement of persons, goods, services and capital within the single market.
It comes barely a week after the Supreme Court ruled that Parliament had to pass an Act of Parliament to take the UK out of the EU on a similar point of law.
"To Brexit or not to Brexit, and pretend you actually did, that is the Question?"
It looks as if "The Plan" consists of the following strategems.
Tell the Public one thing,then the opposite, and confuse the public to the point they think they are on a diet of Viagra and Prunes.
Then secretly remain "Innish" with the EU (new word to add to the Brexit Lexicon) while announcing "Victory, We're FREE!"
Once the Voters have fallen for this and think they have won
Bleed them white.
parliament should hold a public enquiry about the role of political lobbies and introduce new laws to curb their influence.
They buy and sell votes, now on a huge scale. Totally unacceptable.
They buy and sell votes, now on a huge scale. Totally unacceptable.
Halleluya!
Here is a positive Benefit of Brexit at last!
I am proud and delighted (Roll of Drums Maestro ~Please!")
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Great British Brexit Bonanza: White paper pledges 14 WEEKS paid holiday after EU exit
BREXIT will mean the British workforce will get 14 weeks paid holiday a year – 10 more than under the European Union's iron grip, according to a Government white paper.
Now the cynical among us might suspect that this is a new word for Seasonal Workers out of work between Fruit picking Harvests, but not me, I believe every word!
At least they are giving Trumpo a run for his money on the Flaky stakes
Never let it be said that I don't applaud positive Brexit News!
This will bring hordes of retired men back onto the Labour Market as by being employed at least they'll get better and more frequent Holidays than they do at home with the wife every day....
Gotta go, she's coming back.
Breakfast is ready Dear!!
Here is a positive Benefit of Brexit at last!
I am proud and delighted (Roll of Drums Maestro ~Please!")
"
Great British Brexit Bonanza: White paper pledges 14 WEEKS paid holiday after EU exit
BREXIT will mean the British workforce will get 14 weeks paid holiday a year – 10 more than under the European Union's iron grip, according to a Government white paper.
Now the cynical among us might suspect that this is a new word for Seasonal Workers out of work between Fruit picking Harvests, but not me, I believe every word!
At least they are giving Trumpo a run for his money on the Flaky stakes
Never let it be said that I don't applaud positive Brexit News!
This will bring hordes of retired men back onto the Labour Market as by being employed at least they'll get better and more frequent Holidays than they do at home with the wife every day....
Gotta go, she's coming back.
Breakfast is ready Dear!!
I can't face going back to find your post about being from S.Yorkshire area, but I thought this might interest you so I've quoted a random post above so you get notified.
Brinsworth & Catcliffe (Rotherham) result:
LDEM: 66.0% (+50.4)
LAB: 17.1% (-26.2)
UKIP: 12.8% (-16.4)
CON: 3.0% (-8.8)
GRN: 1.0% (+1.0)
This was last nights election results, so the first time the people of Rotherham have had a chance to vote since the referendum.
This area was 67.9% "leave" and now they've suddenly voted in a pro EU party with a 50.4% increase in their vote share, and UKIP lost 16.4%
I wonder what is going on here then.....
Perhaps an outbreak of the Mythical "Will of the people"
The S.R.S.Y has awoken from it's decade long slumber at last!
They'll be marching on London next!
How very true and top marks for observation. The slight fly in the ointment stems from the fact that these forecasts were made after the vote to leave the EU and were for the period whilst we still retained membership. The man Carney is a Clown.
What is worrying is that this growth is probably fuelled by credit and diminishing savings. As a nation we are now credit junkies and the addiction needs breaking. That will harm the economy, but the pain will only be worse in the long run if we don't tackle the issue head on. I think interest rates need a substantial hike, now. This is regardless of our EU membership status. This problem has been brewing for years.
The fact they are being revised isn't a problem to my statement, the fact that growth is better than expected whilst we're still in the EU doesn't effect things does it? The problem is people saying Brexit is a success, look at the growth. Which is nonsense any way you look at it.
I don't know about you but I'm not arrogant enough to suggest I know more about things than the Governor of the Bank of England... you seem to think he's a clown. I wonder how bad things would be if we actually had a clown in his job?
Not going to argue with that... but did the "JAMS" vote for increased interest rates on their loans and mortgages... I think not.
Also most business is run on finance, increased costs, means increased costs to consumers on all products, which will push inflation up again.
And I suspect that any small business people that voted to leave are going to be less than overjoyed at this latest news
"BREXIT will mean the British workforce will get 14 weeks paid holiday a year – 10 more than under the European Union's iron grip, according to a Government white paper."
That is really going to put the cat among the Pigeons as the saying goes in terms of operational costs!
In the light of this White paper over 14 weeks holiday the question has to be has TM decided to bring about the demise of her own administration by causing an adverse reaction from the business community to the point of the Commons tabling a no Confidence vote?
This must seem an attractive rescue alternative at the last moment, rather than go through with Brexit and face the music later , for after all it is clearly lapsing further into madness with every passing day.
And the voters have shown even in strong leave areas to have changed their minds and lost their taste for it.
This must seem an attractive rescue alternative at the last moment, rather than go through with Brexit and face the music later , for after all it is clearly lapsing further into madness with every passing day.
And the voters have shown even in strong leave areas to have changed their minds and lost their taste for it.
OG.....you are right,it was me who suffered from brain fade,have switched it round.....Dave
It seems that Theresa May is starting to get us used to immigration increasing post Brexit,her comment about 'not stopping but controlling immigration' and delaying the introduction of stopping free povement.
I was surprised to hear that unemployment benefit is to be reduced,I thought Theresa May's last speech was that the Tories are the party for everyone....I assume that is everyone who is in work?
Leavers seem to be taking some while to realise they are being stitched up by Brexit,they constantly tell us that they knew exactly what they were voting for so they can hardly moan when things start to get tough.
KudosDave
I was surprised to hear that unemployment benefit is to be reduced,I thought Theresa May's last speech was that the Tories are the party for everyone....I assume that is everyone who is in work?
Leavers seem to be taking some while to realise they are being stitched up by Brexit,they constantly tell us that they knew exactly what they were voting for so they can hardly moan when things start to get tough.
KudosDave