Brexit, for once some facts.
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I suspect China is looking at Taiwan as we speak. US stance has been rather ambiguous around their support of Taiwan but if involved in a conflict with Putin would they have resources to do anything for Taiwan? Or do they even wish to?
I suspect Xi and Putin have had their heads together over both issues. Trouble is China sees US as decadent and in decline. Bet they try and prove they aren't.
China will lose thousands invading Taiwan but suspect they could and will. Not if, more when?
I suspect Xi and Putin have had their heads together over both issues. Trouble is China sees US as decadent and in decline. Bet they try and prove they aren't.
China will lose thousands invading Taiwan but suspect they could and will. Not if, more when?
I think both are acts of war.
The over the border is an extension of the existing war and could pull Poland and NATO into it. While the in-Ukraine one would be within the existing field of battle.
And unfortunately that assessment (west decadent and in decline) isn't unfounded - least under Biden. Soft measures (sanctions etc) were never going to make putin change course, or Russia depose of him. It would always have taken a military confrontation. He may as well have implemented a no fly zone over Ukraine two weeks ago. Saved thousands of civilian lives. Eventually the west will have to do it anyway.
Edit - as an aside I note us placed nuclear weapons in Taiwan during "first Taiwan strait crisis" with china
What an interesting Stand off
Just what would Russia do if the West called their bluff and imposed a no fly Zone?
They can no more afford a Nuclear War than we can.
If we haven't got confidence in that, why the hell do we have Nuclear weapons?
And what a time to have Russians assets as a government in this country.
Just what would Russia do if the West called their bluff and imposed a no fly Zone?
They can no more afford a Nuclear War than we can.
If we haven't got confidence in that, why the hell do we have Nuclear weapons?
And what a time to have Russians assets as a government in this country.
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I believe US special forces and SAS are planning a rescue mission for Zelenskyy... If he gots out, Kyiv will fall and it might calm down... If Putin can have something to show for his campaign it might appease him, but part of me thinks... For how long? Moldova? Poland?
It is almost certain that SAS and US have gamed out rescue scenarios, but to what purpose?. Having active troops in the country would have all the pain and none of the gain. An SAS shoot out with a few unfortunate Russian conscripts is as much a cause for war as a proper no fly zone. Only none NATO forces can achieve an rescue without creating that Russian NATO conflict. I really cannot see the SAS being involved.
Last week that British Admiral , made the point that no fly zone serves little purpose... . To hit artillery you need to attack the ground.
A no fly zone is a euphemism for declaring war, there isn't any way putin wouldn't challenge it and things wouldn't escalate (into ground attacks etc)
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A bit of good news at last. Fingers crossed.
Well done OG, a thumbs up from Polly.
Perfectly true aswell.
Yes I don't think a no fly zone would make much difference, the Russians have been doing most of the damage with artillery and rockets neither of which would be affected by a no fly zone. I think some rockets can be shot down (Patriot system) but I don't know how good that is, I seem to remember it caused as much trouble as it tried to solve.
Totally agreed. Would be upto Ukrainian forces to get him out.. But did read article there was a force of 120 US Special Forces and 50 SAS training in Lithuania for such an operation.???
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A bit of good news at last. Fingers crossed.
"This will most likely be settled by negotiation in the end"
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I would hope by now both sides are keen to end this conflict. Not sure that was case for the first week.
I listened with great interest to Hardtallk today with the Pretender to the Belarusian Premiership. Extremely heartening if it is true ...and it struck me that it could be. The point was that the Belarusian Army which Putin wanted to accompany his forces cannot be relied upon. Their sympathies are with the Ukrainians. Now while I know next to nothing about the Donbass, , it is much more than my knowledge of Belarus, .. so here is hoping!.
The Russian Air force doesn't seem to have been involved anywhere near to extent it could have.. Made me wonder if they were not that supportive either???
I heard a report on the radio this evening that both sides said the latest talks had made good progress and both sides were hoping a negotiated settlement could soon be found. I think that was the most positive report I have heard so far since all this began. I think Putin needs to be provided with a golden ladder to climb down otherwise tens of thousand possibly hundreds of thousands of people will die. We then in the west need to open our eyes into what he and his mates have been up to over the years.
Read a book by a journalist a while back he put forward a very strong case that Putin put a fair amount of resource into trying to ensure we voted leave in the Brexit referendum, how much difference if any that made we will probably never know.
A thumbs up from Polly? That has to be a first!earliNews
A bit of good news at last. Fingers crossed.
Well done OG, a thumbs up from Polly.
Perfectly true aswell.
