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Yes that is what should and might have been said in 2013.
I disagree, ruthless unreasonable neighbours' appetite for power, control over others isn't usually sated by appeasement, giving in. One has to ask what non collusion look like. And ukraine has toed that line very well, only acting in defence, not being provoked initially by Russia into behaving like an aggressor. Nor rolling over. If I were ukraini, I wouldn't experience participating in the war as so destructive. Sacrificing life for freedom from oppression and a better future for one's community, humanity can be quite noble. Much the way humanity owes a great deal to those who stood up to Hitler.
 

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Who co-operated in the maiming and killing, reducing the cities to rubble, forcing millions to seek shelter underground?

The Ukrainians who knowingly and defiantly chose that course of victimhood instead of making every effort to avoid it.

They've fought and will end up with all the harm and be all the more ill treated slaves as a result.

How utterly pointless.
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fighting against invaders is never pointless, flecc. Not fighting them at all is not a solution.
There are millions of Ukrainians who will want to defend their country against 200,000 Russian invaders. We are not in the 16th century when a few Spanish canons conquered an Aztec empire. Within a few months, Ukrainians will have received enough weapons to make the life of the Russian soldiers an absolute hell.
 

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Within a few months, Ukrainians will have received enough weapons to make the life of the Russian soldiers an absolute hell.
Not if Russia wins this war. Such attempts will be ruthlessly dealt with, compounding the carnage.
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Not if Russia wins this war. Such attempts will be ruthlessly dealt with, compounding the carnage.
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Like the German Barbarossa special operation, Russia can't win this one on the long run.
It has an initial advantage but that advantage is reduced by the day. For all intents and purposes, Putin's army is stuck. It did not vanquish the Ukrainian army in the last 12 days, it can't do that now. The Russians will lose more and more aircraft, their soldiers are now stuck inside cities, their gains are much slower now if not already stopped.
Thousands of Russians have been put in jail for calling the war Putin's war. Thousands more will continue to march. Give it a year, Putin will be gone if not shot.
 
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Give it a year, Putin will be gone if not shot.
I agree this will hopefully happen, I posted yesterday that it is the best we can hope for.

But at what horrific cost.

It's possible to deal with dinosaurs like Putin in future without this level of carnage, but it needs far more brains than have been applied so far. Meanwhile, we let the Hitlers and Putins of this world drag all of us down to their level each time to beat them.
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I really did not expect that Putin would go that far.
He's gone mad and is going to kill a lot of Russians and Ukrainians alike before this is over.
 
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I really did not expect that Putin would go that far.
He's gone mad and is going to kill a lot of Russians and Ukrainians alike before this is over.
All wars go too far, ultimately they never achieve anything or solve anything as the persistence of war and the way all empires die shows only too clearly.

We are the human race, the most intelligent species this world has ever known. We have the capacity to stop them ever happening, but not the will while there are the dinosaurs who start them and the dinosaurs who fight back instead of using that intelligence to prevent them.
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All wars go too far, ultimately they never achieve anything or solve anything as the persistence of war and the way all empires die shows only too clearly.

We are the human race, the most intelligent species this world has ever known. We have the capacity to stop them ever happening, but not the will while there are the dinosaurs who start them and the dinosaurs who fight back instead of using that intelligence to prevent them.
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i need the psu out of one of those lol :cool:
 
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HIs real identity is
Basildon Bond :cool:
That's Zlatan with his accounts of helpul Russian operatives in Vietnam and pitched machete battles with yardies in Jamaica. He has qkvestions to answer such as "ARE YOU WATERMARKED?!?! EMBOSSED?!!?"
 
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I really did not expect that Putin would go that far.
He's gone mad and is going to kill a lot of Russians and Ukrainians alike before this is over.
It's Putin's grand gambit to make the USSR great again at all costs; he's not mad. His current Russia isn't working well enough in his favour anymore, Rexit means Rexit.

Powerful lasers don't have to be powerful enough to completely destroy hypersonic nuclear missiles, merely heat them to the point of component inoperability, or deform/disable features which enable flight, thereby altering their trajectories significantly enough to reduce damage. Adaptive optics have come a long way. Someday they'll be a viable defence.
 
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I wonder how much Novichok Putin has stockpiled in the UK? Even small quantities could disrupt large key swathes of London :eek:
 
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"Things look dark, before they go completely black"

Hannibal Smith (The A-Team)
 
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You do seem to be in a minority, but the reality is that you aren't the only one.

FWIW, I for one believe the majority of your comments and analysis presented come closest to the actual truth, by a long way, and that's basing my judgement on listening to many, many political historians and (proper) journalists (as opposed to MSM journalism which these days mostly seems to just regurgitate information and propaganda fed to them from government sources)

The fascinating (and troubling) question then arises, why are the 'others' taking the generally opposite viewpoint?
Was thinking about this as I listened to priti "I make unauthorised visits to israel" "let's support brexit to allow more offshore capital" Patel talk, with ardent conviction about "taking on the kleptocrats in moscow". It's way beyond irony, more like sex workers fighting about the same street corner.
 
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I'm too slow that took about an hour and a half, I would just be one of the traditional starving artists!
Can I encourage you to have a go yourself? at least take up drawing things around you, it is very relaxing and yet engaging at the same.
As a kid, I loved sketching fast cars and birds (the feathered kind), but I stopped when my art teacher told me in a depressed kind of way "Study science. That's where the money is kid, study science"... how wrong he was :(
 
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i need the psu out of one of those lol :cool:
A bit of a tangent (talking about salvaging stuff), I gather solar storage batteries are around £400/kwh in UK. So, I'm no engineer, but if one were looking for circa 20kwh (£8k), what's to stop one from, say, buying an old leaf for £5k and having it as a second car (at say a cheap place in italy)? Is wiring it to supply mains horrendous? How much more life would one get out of its 8 year old battery if one religiously stuck to the 20% 80% rule?
 

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@jonathan.agnew Fifth Gear did a segment on secondhand electric cars a few weeks ago

 

jonathan.agnew

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As a kid, I loved sketching fast cars and birds (the feathered kind), but I stopped when my art teacher told me in a depressed kind of way "Study science. That's where the money is kid, study science"... how wrong he was :(
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Ah, the loss of childhood freedom, spontaneity, disinhibition. The challenge, I guess, is to try to return to that place before we pop our clogs..
 
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Ah, the loss of childhood freedom, spontaneity, disinhibition. The challenge, I guess, is to try to return to that place before we pop our clogs..
Born free, taxed to death... The only thing we ever really have the possibility of owning is the here and now, while it lasts (a good cliche and sometimes a knicker dropper)(talking of which I must craft a photo like OG's for my Tinder profile)
 
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