Lots of ifs and buts before we reach a partitioned Ukraine. Its nice you accepted that partition on their behalf. I think its their decision. Not yours, not mine, and certainly not Putin's. There is a system to find out what a country wants. Its called democracy Woosh. Ukraine has it. Russia doesn't but you are listening to Russia's requests. In interests of avoiding conflict??
Brexit, for once some facts.
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I, ve been saying that all along. Unfortunately giving in to him prolongs his blackmail and makes him stronger. Don't get me wrong, I don't have an answer. But giving in to him isn't one.
Personally think it's time to allow Ukraine in EU and NATO and bite the bullet. Kick him out of Ukraine.
To be honest what we don't do now will only need doing a few years down the line.??
How long before it's Estonia, Poland or Latvia??
Certainly giving in isn't an answer, but as you rightly say, we haven't one.
Isn't as easy as it sounds though. Economies have to be equalised before EU entry or the whole EU could destabilise and financially crash. And equalising the Ukrainian economy with the EU would probably be extremely difficult. A lot of existing NATO countries would block Ukraine joining them
There's no way Putin will ever attack a NATO country, given how overwhelmingly he is outnumbered. Anyway Putin will not be in power very much longer.
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A couple of warthogs would soon clear the traffic jams
I suspect Ukrainians might have some other ideas about how to deal with massed ranks of tanks all in a row. The panzerfaust has developed more than the tank. Give them time. With advent of Starstreak and NLAW the balance of power has shifted... Ukrainians have thousands of both. Do Russians have enough determined skilled infantry to clear battleground of such armaments before tanks roll in???
Unfortunately I think this will go into an end game of either .
1. WW3...
2. Putin being pushed out of the Kremlin,by some internal group..maybe the Generals, maybe the Mothers and Grandmothers of Russia, because they are now getting telephone calls from their captured or surrendered sons . I could see Putin being brought to a mental hospital because of the "immense strain he has been under "... A bullet against the wall of the Kremlin is not how things are done any more.
3. Unconditional surrender of Ukraine ,maybe after a few towns are utter rubble .. In which case Putin rides again and Sweden is next. Putin would take his two buffer republics , magnanimously allow a partitioned , demilitarised West Ukraine.
I think that could surprisingly be a quite effective tactic. I'm not suggesting the Ukrainian forces should befriend the Russian soldiers. But it is a way of getting the truth to some of the more entrenched Russians who only listen to the state broadcasts and still believe Ukraine is a Nazi hotbed (Even with a Jewish leader).
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I am picking up info that that is happening . stories are that the conscripts understood two months ago they were going on manoeuvres, but they have been transferred into a war , and sometimes without food or proper maps or fuel... . They are allowed phone home by their captors...I think that could surprisingly be a quite effective tactic. I'm not suggesting the Ukrainian forces should befriend the Russian soldiers. But it is a way of getting the truth to some of the more entrenched Russians who only listen to the state broadcasts and still believe Ukraine is a Nazi hotbed (Even with a Jewish leader).
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John.
I agreed with all the rest of your post but not this. NATO members will stand firm in defending each other, especially after Ukraine.
My 1939 birthday present of WW2 was because Britain had a mutual agreement with Poland which we felt we had to honour when Germany attacked Poland:
The military alliance between the United Kingdom and Poland was formalised by the Anglo-Polish Agreement in 1939, for mutual assistance in case of a military invasion from Germany.
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Before the invasion started, it was clear that there were logistics difficulties in maintaining 150,00 (or whatever the real number) military fed and sheltered, in cold weather, in their assembly areas. Must be even more difficult now.
And back in WW2, many Germans died of starvation/freezing, so too did many Russians.
Putin should go back to racing gerbils. His eyes are of a man haunted by gerbil racing, but they might not be his own...
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I think that a very limited taste of WW3 is more likely: a brief exchange of a nuke or three before horror stops play. "Soft" expansionism into former territories by a U.S.S.R. revitalised by Putin, tests the waters; a spoiled brat exploring limits. Hard Russian expansion must never be allowed, even if it brings the world to the brink of WW3. Putin's gerbil racing cruelty will come to light, if ever he is brought to justice.
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they wont nuke Ukraine as there is no point they have enough fire power to level the hole country if they wanted to and not have to deal with radioactive land for 1000s of years lol.
did they blow up the antonov 225 should get that thing to Poland fill it up with a **** load of explosives and suicide mission and crash it in to the kremlin
did they blow up the antonov 225 should get that thing to Poland fill it up with a **** load of explosives and suicide mission and crash it in to the kremlin
Gerbilkind would forever be grateful, their roar of celebratory chittering deafeningthey wont nuke Ukraine as there is no point they have enough fire power to level the hole country if they wanted to and not have to deal with radioactive land for 1000s of years lol.
did they blow up the antonov 225 should get that thing to Poland fill it up with a **** load of explosives and suicide mission and crash it in to the kremlin
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As the world really changed. This was 65 years ago.
Trouble is that Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin was only three and a half years old then, so being just out of potty training didn't learn the lesson.
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Duncan Clark on the carbon footprint of nuclear war
Almost 700m tonnes of CO2 would be released into the Earth's atmosphere by even the smallest nuclear conflict, according to a US study that compares the environmental costs of developing various power sources
www.theguardian.com