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Wait till we, ve all partied over Christmas, no lockdown and Omicron not so bad....
Tory papers will be full of cavalry (vaccine) arriving in nick of time and Boris managed his shoot for the moon 1 million per day boosters.. His popularity graph will be steeper than Omicron's spreading one.
It's all arranged..???
Even if Omicron is weaker... any tiny percentage requiring hospitalisation, of an extremely large number of Omicron infections, is going to cause the NHS serious problems. I expect a lockdown (Government option) in a few weeks, after the myriad of seasonal micro-spreader events have set the damn big number of infections in motion. Happy Xmas.

Tories will have to hark their victories loudly between peaks, I can't wait for the next super-variant. Years to go before we sleep...
 

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Even if Omicron is weaker... any tiny percentage requiring hospitalisation, of an extremely large number of Omicron infections, is going to cause the NHS serious problems.
I don't think Omicron is weaker, just that we are better prepared to face it, resulting in milder symptoms and fewer hospitalisations.
The main danger is the number of NHS workers told to stay at home and self isolate.
 

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Many with the parallel (not physically!) issue of Restless Legs Syndrome find that adequate magnesium helps to reduce the occurrence/impact.
Very interesting. Despite suddenly going into agonising spasms all summer (often when I'm about to nod off), my calf muscles haven't cramped for a few weeks, I don't know why, and so far I haven't had the stomach problems with Magnesium Citrate Zlatan mentioned - I take most supplements with food, apart from the B's. I'll keep taking them and the dried frog pills; received 15mg Zinc tabs today.
 
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Even if Omicron is weaker... any tiny percentage requiring hospitalisation, of an extremely large number of Omicron infections, is going to cause the NHS serious problems. I expect a lockdown (Government option) in a few weeks, after the myriad of seasonal micro-spreader events have set the damn big number of infections in motion. Happy Xmas.

Tories will have to hark their victories loudly between peaks, I can't wait for the next super-variant. Years to go before we sleep...
Yep, I think we, ve all read that forecast... Its the accepted wisdom of current thinking... Let's wait and see what happens.
And I think rather than Omicron being weaker(which by reports it is for infecting lungs) it's more a case of us being better prepared physiologically, either through past infection or vaccines.
It's widely publicised SA has past Delta infection rates around 72% and with vaccine rates around 25%...That is being put forward as an explanation to their low Omicron hospitalisation and death rates. I suspect our high vaccination rates, especially so with 3rd shot (and immuno suppressed now being called for their 4th),coupled with Omicron less virilence towards the lungs will see us with similarly low hospitalisations, even with high infection rates.
Boris will claim that's his booster programme, SA will tell us "we told you"...
Boris could easily end up more popular than ever... Let's wait and see... Nobody actually knows...
But don't write Boris off... Its at least 3 years to an election. He is a clever, slippery character and may well have timed his "emergency*announcement to perfection. (an emergency announcement needed to say we are doing feck all, rather odd or is it manouvering. I suspect the latter with Witty being able to almost contradict Boris. It's all for a reason.They know something we do not.)

And, amazingly, the Guardian hasn't seen through it. They are pushing "still no hard evidence Omicron is milder". That is playing straight into Boris' hands. There is evidence it is milder to lungs. Quite a lot, but for the Tory rouse to work we all have to be convinced Omicron poses far more danger. (which, it might but I somehow doubt it)... The more frightening we assume Omicron is, the more kudos Tories and specifically Boris will get, when, well, its bad, but not that bad, because Boris' boosters saved the day. (They did over a million yesterday)
 
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Yep, I think we, ve all read that forecast... Its the accepted wisdom of current thinking... Let's wait and see what happens.
And I think rather than Omicron being weaker(which by reports it is for infecting lungs) it's more a case of us being better prepared physiologically, either through past infection or vaccines.
It's widely publicised SA has past Delta infection rates around 72% and with vaccine rates around 25%...That is being put forward as an explanation to their low Omicron hospitalisation and death rates. I suspect our high vaccination rates, especially so with 3rd shot (and immuno suppressed now being called for their 4th),coupled with Omicron less virilence towards the lungs will see us with similarly low hospitalisations, even with high infection rates.
Boris will claim that's his booster programme, SA will tell us "we told you"...
Boris could easily end up more popular than ever... Let's wait and see... Nobody actually knows...
But don't write Boris off... Its at least 3 years to an election. He is a clever, slippery character and may well have timed his "emergency*announcement to perfection. (an emergency announcement needed to say we are doing feck all, rather odd or is it manouvering. I suspect the latter with Witty being able to almost contradict Boris. It's all for a reason.They know something we do not.)

And, amazingly, the Guardian hasn't seen through it. They are pushing "still no hard evidence Omicron is milder". That is playing straight into Boris' hands. There is evidence it is milder to lungs. Quite a lot, but for the Tory rouse to work we all have to be convinced Omicron poses far more danger. (which, it might but I somehow doubt it)... The more frightening we assume Omicron is, the more kudos Tories and specifically Boris will get, when, well, its bad, but not that bad, because Boris' boosters saved the day. (They did over a million yesterday)
Or perhaps like Churchill, the public will reject Boris in peacetime? He'll be blithering about Moomins or somesuch, as soon as it gets quiet...
 
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Yep, I think we, ve all read that forecast... Its the accepted wisdom of current thinking... Let's wait and see what happens.
And I think rather than Omicron being weaker(which by reports it is for infecting lungs) it's more a case of us being better prepared physiologically, either through past infection or vaccines.
It's widely publicised SA has past Delta infection rates around 72% and with vaccine rates around 25%...That is being put forward as an explanation to their low Omicron hospitalisation and death rates. I suspect our high vaccination rates, especially so with 3rd shot (and immuno suppressed now being called for their 4th),coupled with Omicron less virilence towards the lungs will see us with similarly low hospitalisations, even with high infection rates.
Boris will claim that's his booster programme, SA will tell us "we told you"...
Boris could easily end up more popular than ever... Let's wait and see... Nobody actually knows...
But don't write Boris off... Its at least 3 years to an election. He is a clever, slippery character and may well have timed his "emergency*announcement to perfection. (an emergency announcement needed to say we are doing feck all, rather odd or is it manouvering. I suspect the latter with Witty being able to almost contradict Boris. It's all for a reason.They know something we do not.)

And, amazingly, the Guardian hasn't seen through it. They are pushing "still no hard evidence Omicron is milder". That is playing straight into Boris' hands. There is evidence it is milder to lungs. Quite a lot, but for the Tory rouse to work we all have to be convinced Omicron poses far more danger. (which, it might but I somehow doubt it)... The more frightening we assume Omicron is, the more kudos Tories and specifically Boris will get, when, well, its bad, but not that bad, because Boris' boosters saved the day. (They did over a million yesterday)
BJ has not made brexit work for those who made him PM. He has not lowered taxes, nor deregulated. Brexit hasn't worked for the remainers either, trade with the EU keeps dropping off a cliff, 25% export to the EU have already gone, way past the point of no return. 44% of financial firms in the City are looking to setup in the EU as soon as Covid goes off centre stage.
BJ's administration is marred with under deliveries, so many promises made and broken. Those new tory MPs in the old red wall are not happy. Did you watch the last BBCQT? It was in Stoke-on-Trent. Not a single member of the audience had a good word for BJ, quite the opposite, and his government despite the fact that most of the selected audience voted for brexit.

BJ is done, the ERG (and now, its offshoot the Covid Recovery Group) does not need him anymore. Forget about him.
 

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BJ has not made brexit work for those who made him PM. He has not lowered taxes, nor deregulated. Brexit hasn't worked for the remainers either, trade with the EU keeps dropping off a cliff, 25% export to the EU have already gone, way past the point of no return. 44% of financial firms in the City are looking to setup in the EU as soon as Covid goes off centre stage.
BJ's administration is marred with under deliveries, so many promises made and broken. Those new tory MPs in the old red wall are not happy. Did you watch the last BBCQT? It was in Stoke-on-Trent. Not a single member of the audience had a good word for BJ, quite the opposite, and his government despite the fact that most of the selected audience voted for brexit.

BJ is done, the ERG (and now, its offshoot the Covid Recovery Group) does not need him anymore. Forget about him.
Could be... But don't forget Boris did win last election with a massive majority... Don't think they have anyone else who could have done same. If Boris does go, I think Tories go with him. And I suspect they all know that.
Can you actually see the red wall voting for any other Tory apart from Boris. The rest are despised, from JRM to IDS from Sunni to Lizz... All of them.. Tories are between a rock and a hard place agreed. But Boris isn't finished yet. Unless Omicron flattens NHS. If it doesn't. Boris is going nowhere. But like I said.. Nobody really knows.
History tells us not to write off PMs/heads of state/Kings still in power. Thatcher got her Falklands. Omicron could be Johnson's. And, as I, ve said I think he knows it and he, s deploying it.
But humble pie isn't poisonous.!!??
 
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The more frightening we assume Omicron is, the more kudos Tories and specifically Boris will get, when, well, its bad, but not that bad, because Boris' boosters saved the day. (They did over a million yesterday)
you are wrong there. The more people fear Omicron, the more they think KS is right and BJ is wrong.
If it turns out Omicron kills 100,000 people, it's BJ's fault. If Omicron kills only 10,000, then the Covid Recovery Group will send in their disapproval letters. Either way, BJ won't have anyone left to hold on to when Omicron fades away.
 
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Could be... But don't forget Boris did win last election with an massive majority..
he got that because the ERG put him in No 10.
The right wing press in this country works with the ERG for a few very rich people who are only interested in lower taxes and deregulation. BJ can't deliver either so those rich folks and the ERG are not happy with him. The right wing press will talk up anyone the ERG chooses to replace him. Just look out for any candidate that promises to cut CT and CGT.
 
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Well that screwed your arm up! :)
I hope whatever alloy they shoved into my arm doesn't mess the rest of me up! The Consultant didn't actually know if the implant was Titanium or Stainless Steel, but the Radiologist (who had broken his foot skateboarding aged 15, repaired with steel plates) said that he'd seen the purchase order for "A very expensive Titanium plate". The only way I'll find out for sure is by obtaining my medical records. The surgeon who operated on me did say that if ithey had to use Titanium, they'd have to remove it. I didn't ask why, but I should have. I was a little shellshocked and very tired by that stage, 17.5 hours after my kamikaze badger encounter. It could be to do with Cadmium being released into the body by the stiffer Titanium alloys they use to hold bones together. Pure Titanium is used for dental implants, which is supposed to be less of a problem. If it's steel, then all I've got to worry about are ions in lymph glands, which I don't want either. Essentially I want all metal removed, but judging by the conversation I had with the Consultant, that won't be easy. Maybe cycling will eventually loosen the plate enough for them to consider doing so. They'd have to remove a plate breaking through skin and flapping about, surely. I can't cycle for months. Opted for a phone post-op Physio session at the end of Dec, rather than visit the hospital.
 
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you are wrong there.
We are both predicting future you assume your crystal ball is clearer than mine. It isn't. They are both flawed.
We will see.
If we get through this with only 10k deaths from Omicron, ERG will write to Boris, along with every other body, congratulating him on his booster roll out.
Let's face it, the way we have been prepared anything under 75k will be seen as (relative) success.
 
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I hope whatever alloy they shoved into my arm doesn't mess the rest of me up! The Consultant didn't actually know if the implant was Titanium or Stainless Steel, but the Radiologist (who had broken his foot skateboarding aged 15, repaired with steel plates) said that he'd seen the purchase order for "A very expensive Titanium plate". The only way I'll find out for sure is by obtaining my medical records. The surgeon who operated on me did say that if ithey had to use Titanium, they'd have to remove it. I didn't ask why, but I should have. I was a little shellshocked and very tired at that stage, 17.5 hours after my kamikaze badger encounter. It could be to do with Cadmium being released into the body by the stiffer Titanium alloys they use to hold bones together. Pure Titanium is used for dental implants, which is supposed to be less of a problem. If it's steel, then all I've got to worry about are ions in lymph glands, which I don't want either. Essentially I want all metal removed, but judging by the conversation I had with the Consultant, that won't be easy. Maybe cycling will eventually loosen the plate enough for them to consider doing so. They'd have to remove a plate breaking through skin and flapping about, surely. I can't cycle for months. Opted for a phone Physio session at the end of Dec, rather than visit the hospital.
I believe any implant must be titanium, bone will graft to it but not apparently to stainless steels.?? so I was told when I had my knee (and teeth) done.
I, ve had titanium stuff in right knee for 20 years or so... Only issue... Set off metal detectors at customs.. Had to have knee examined internally about 5 years ago, they said graft to implant/titanium was perfect (as were titanium screws holding tendons in)
Good luck.
 

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I believe any implant must be titanium, bone will graft to it but not apparently to stainless steels.?? so I was told when I had my knee (and teeth) done.
Titanium will be difficult to remove, if left in too long. I really need to find out what the plate is made of exactly. Stainless Steel is supposed to be inert, but I don't think it is. It's sobering that I can look forward to arthritis, because of the breaks and implant.
 

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Titanium will be difficult to remove, if left in too long. I really need to find out what the plate is made of exactly. Stainless Steel is supposed to be inert, but I don't think it is. It's sobering that I can look forward to arthritis, because of the breaks and implant.
Yep, exactly... Not sure what score is at moment but I had Stem cell therapy on other arthritic knee... Around 8 years ago.. Avoided implant... And it's great. But had to go private. (Surgeon was Ricky Villar,(not the footballer, believe he's ex SAS) through Florence Nightingale /Princess Grace in London/Cambridge)
Cost a fortune but probably worth researching.??? Worked for me..
 
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History tells us not to write off PMs/heads of state/Kings still in power.
Indeed, despite his age, his convictions for very serious fraud and sex offences, the outstanding court cases against him and goodness knows what else is hidden, Silvio Berlusconi is standing for President of Italy, and it looks very possible that he will be elected.

If so, he will be 92 at the end of the presidential term.

Another populist with no conscience or moral standards, like Johnson.
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Indeed, despite his age, his convictions for very serious fraud and sex offences, the outstanding court cases against him and goodness knows what else is hidden, Silvio Berlusconi is standing for President of Italy, and it looks very possible that he will be elected.

If so, he will be 92 at the end of the presidential term.

Another populist with no conscience or moral standards, like Johnson.
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Just finished a book about David Lloyd George.. Makes modern MPs look positively angelic. He certainly was Liberal in his thinking. Seems MPs have always taken the Michael. But agreed Boris more than most.
 
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