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guerney

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I doubt there is a precise one. Probably the nearest are the legal definitions.
The legal definition of a vaccine is defined by lawmakers, after consulting with medical boffins.
 

guerney

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Threw the moneylenders out of the temple?

Well, maybe he just wanted to get rid of the current unsatisfactory moneylenders and install his own...

You're right, Jesus was a commie.
 

guerney

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Oh no they are not!

Lack of agreed common definitions is a major problem in the areas I am most involevd with. Classic - what is "subclinical hypothyroidism"? Earlier definitions tended towards having no symptoms but a blood test showing an issue.

But nowadays it is often treated as "we couldn't give a damn about symptoms" and your blood test is not around double the top of the reference interval. Though you never know which definition is being used.

Yes they are defined at some point by some consensus, which may change later to be defined differently, by another consensus, and can be strictly defined by any consensus of any size greater than 0.
 

guerney

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Threw the moneylenders out of the temple?

Well, maybe he just wanted to get rid of the current unsatisfactory moneylenders and install his own...
He replaced one form of currency for another, worth less than monopoly money.
 

guerney

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I was actually hinting at replacing the existing standards investigations by one more suited to the gaffer.
That was a close shave - I was about to launch into an anti-religion tirade.
 

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The legal definition of a vaccine is defined by lawmakers, after consulting with medical boffins.
Only to know the purpose of a vaccine, which is to prevent one contracting the disease in question. And on that the Covid vaccines fall down far too often.

We've seen "new speak" being attempted since the "vaccines" became available, trying to convince us that alleviating the effects of catching Covid means the medication is a vaccine. That is simply not true, they need to prevent catching the disease in at least two thirds of cases over a useful period of time, at least a year and preferably much longer to qualify.

In reality they too often need the support of other preventative measures like masking and social distancing to perform sufficiently in combination, and to make matters worse there is accumulating evidence of their protection fading within 3 months, needing regular boosters.

As far as I'm concerned we are still waiting for an effective vaccine against Covid-19. Meanwhile we have to make do with ones that do not nessarily prevent one catching the disease, but usefully alleviate the symptoms when one does catch it. i.e. A medication, not an adequately effective vaccine.
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guerney

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Only to know the purpose of a vaccine, which is to prevent one contracting the disease in question. And on that the Covid vaccines fall down far too often.

We've seen "new speak" being attempted since the "vaccines" became available, trying to convince us that alleviating the effects of catching Covid means the medication is a vaccine. That is simply not true, they need to prevent catching the disease in at least two thirds of cases over a useful period of time, at least a year and preferably much longer to qualify.

In reality they too often need the support of other preventative measures like masking and social distancing to perform sufficiently in combination, and to make matters worse there is accumulating evidence of their protection fading within 3 months, needing regular boosters.

As far as I'm concerned we are still waiting for an effective vaccine against Covid-19. Meanwhile we have to make do with ones that do not nessarily prevent one catching the disease, but usefully alleviate the symptoms when one does catch it. i.e. A medication, not an adequately effective vaccine.
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Well, at least you're calling them vaccines now. They will get better.
 

flecc

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Well, at least you're calling them vaccines now. They will get better.
You seem to have ignored my quotation marks and the last sentence of my post, as well as all my previous posts on this definition. They are medications that alleviate the symptoms of Covid-19 if one catches it.

As for getting better, that may well need a completely different design approach, as happened with the original and unsatisfactory polio vaccine, the current one now very effective.

Our current Covid vaccines may well turn out to be a classic case of more haste, less speed. Or we may never get an effective vaccine.
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guerney

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You seem to have ignored my quotation marks and the last sentence of my post, as well as all my previous posts on this definition. They are medications that alleviate the symptoms of Covid-19 if one catches it.

As for getting better, that may well need a completely different design approach, as happened with the original and unsatisfactory polio vaccine, the current one now very effective.

Our current Covid vaccines may well turn out to be a classic case of more haste, less speed.
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Your legal-centric definition(s) of vaccines might matter in the legal world, not in the medical, which calls vaccines vaccines. Ok, I'm off back to the other threads about ebikes.
 

jonathan.agnew

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Your legal-centric definition(s) of vaccines might matter in the legal world, not in the medical, which calls vaccines vaccines. Ok, I'm off back to the other threads about ebikes.
You seem to have ignored my quotation marks and the last sentence of my post, as well as all my previous posts on this definition. They are medications that alleviate the symptoms of Covid-19 if one catches it.

As for getting better, that may well need a completely different design approach, as happened with the original and unsatisfactory polio vaccine, the current one now very effective.

Our current Covid vaccines may well turn out to be a classic case of more haste, less speed. Or we may never get an effective vaccine.
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FFS my dear fellow forumites (and I dont just mean you two, rather everyone over the last ten/thousand pages, or so). Surely you're as aware as I am of the limited merit of pissing contests? More heat than light? And nazis? Intelligence is about adaptive functioning. They were about as good at that as diplodoci. Which is why they lost the war.
Edit - if they were put in charge of macdonalds, they'd bankrupt it in a week. If brexit, they'd do marginally better than boris (but a brain damaged rat would, with fewer u turns)
 
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guerney

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FFS my dear fellow forumites (and I dont just mean you two, rather everyone over the last ten/thousand pages, or so). Surely you're as aware as I am of the limited merit of pissing contests? More heat than light? And nazis? Intelligence is about adaptive functioning. They were about as good at that as diplodoci. Which is why they lost the war.
He started it! Flecc used his consensus of one, then a consensus of a couple including Whoosh, to support his argument that vaccines aren't vaccines. The medical world calls vaccines vaccines. Any number of people greater than 0 can refer to anything as anything and they may be correct, but by no means is it a certainty that they are.
 

jonathan.agnew

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He started it! Flecc used his consensus of one, then a consensus of a couple including Whoosh, to support his argument that vaccines aren't vaccines. The medical world calls vaccines vaccines. Any number of people greater than 0 can refer to anything as anything and they may be correct, but by no means is it a certainty that they are.
I know, and agree, but wouldn't it be great if all of us stopped trying to hit the wall from a thousand yards out?
 

guerney

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Ilustrating once again that medicine is not an exact science. Hence the need for a legal definition.
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I give up.
 

guerney

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Budgie smuggling skin suits as in leica man? That would compliment all the other camp paraphernalia of the far right.
Have you got the right compl ment? Sorry to be a grammar Nazi.
 
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