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flecc

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It appears Bulb are on the brink of going bust.

That energy market sure was well-thought-out.
Bulb is my supplier but they are trying hard to stay afloat. They are an international supply company much bigger (1.7 million customers) then most who have gone broke so far, so I'm hoping they survive.
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Bulb is my supplier but they are trying hard to stay afloat. They are an international supply company much bigger then most who have gone broke so far, so I'm hoping they survive.
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A lot of concern that no other company would be in a position to take on their customers if they do fail.
 
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A lot of concern that no other company would be in a position to take on their customers if they do fail.
Agreed, but the government is preparing to step in if necessary.

I just wish the government would increase the price cap to allow companies to survive, instead of faffing about for several months yet.
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So Johnson he is failing:

Cop26: Humanity 5-1 down at half-time on climate crisis, says Johnson
Prime minister on way to Italy says our civilisation could mimic the decline of the Roman empire ‘unless we get this right’

Is this a prelude to a pull-it-out-of-the-hat at the last minute turnaround that he will claim?

How many more tonnes of CO2 will he and his entourage produce flying to Italy and back?
 
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I wish the government would lower the price cap so they all fail and then nationalise the reselling of energy.
That would be best of all of course, but it won't happen. The providers are fighting to keep it as a market and the government doesn't want to pick up the bill.

However I'm sure they will bail out my supplier Bulb, since being the number six in the market it's too big for any of the other five to rescue.

None of this problem is anything to do with me since I only use electricity and Bulb only supply green energy, not any electricity produced by gas. The problem is only the very high price of gas now which they can't charge their gas customers for due to the stupidly rigid cap.
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How many more tonnes of CO2 will he and his entourage produce flying to Italy and back?
Nothing compared to Joe Biden's entourage, who will be driven in a motorcade of limos flown over from the States on a fleet of transport aeroplanes.
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result of natural selection? Survival to the fittest!
Croydon has had 50285 infections since the start of the pandemic. It has a population of 358000. I think we can all do the maths.
However, its friday evening, so I will simply agree to differ (on that boris and everything else)
 

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Croydon has had 50285 infections since the start of the pandemic. It has a population of 358000. I think we can all do the maths.
Pity you can't do the history though.

I was the one first telling the story in here of how hard hit we were at the outset. Not only was London at 2.5 times the national infection rate, Croydon was the worst affected London borough initially for two months. But that was early 2020 and I forecast back then that we'd benefit from being hit hard early and we did.

But 2020 is history, only today and tomorrow count in pandemic terms and we IN MY AREA are doing very well indeed and have been for a while, as I've regularly reported.

Once again, stop trying to mislead members.
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Pity you can't do the history though.

I was the one first telling the story in here of how hard hit we were at the outset. Not only was London at 2.5 times the national infection rate, Croydon was the worst affected London borough initially for two months. But that was early 2020 and I forecast back then that we'd benefit from being hit hard early and we did.

But 2020 is history, only today and tomorrow count in pandemic terms and we IN MY AREA are doing very well indeed and have been for a while, as I've regularly reported.

Once again, stop trying to mislead members.
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Thing about being in denial is that one HAVE to get everyone to agree with one. Somerset maughn's priest ranting about prostitutes come to mind. It's a good read. You may even find it prophetic. Or not. It requires a sense of irony. And self deprecation. However, good luck to you (and the special citizens of croydon)
Edit - I say that in the spirit of us all being in denial. Theres enough ranting about prostitutes, metaphorically speaking, on this thread alone to create several more somerset maugham collections
 
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Nothing compared to Joe Biden's entourage, who will be driven in a motorcade of limos flown over from the States on a fleet of transport aeroplanes.
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Though lack of an Atlantic tunnel precludes Biden's use of the less polluting option of a train. :)
 

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Boris will offer to build one for the Americans in exchange for a trade deal so he can get a tiny bit of credibility for the total mess Brexit is turning out to be.
It will be on-schedule just like Crossrail.

And Tideway is also delayed.

The latest really big bridge being in Scotland...
 

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Pity you can't do the history though.

I was the one first telling the story in here of how hard hit we were at the outset. Not only was London at 2.5 times the national infection rate, Croydon was the worst affected London borough initially for two months. But that was early 2020 and I forecast back then that we'd benefit from being hit hard early and we did.

But 2020 is history, only today and tomorrow count in pandemic terms and we IN MY AREA are doing very well indeed and have been for a while, as I've regularly reported.

Once again, stop trying to mislead members.
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Flecc, there is something Kafaque or Orwellian in implying that being hit particularly hard with a serious illness ,for which no treatment existed is a" benefit. " The only time where that could have validity is if the illness was going to morph into something more deadly. If anything because of the existence of the vaccines and better treatment it is better to get infected now than then...and the mortality figures back this up. In March 2020 the mortality rates of known Covid suffers was at 10% .. mainly because they didn't test people who where not seriously ill,but is down to 2% now.
Fortunately with Delta , while it is much more infectious , it is not more lethal than the original.
What we do not know is what level of immunity is retained by survivors of a real Covid infection over what time period. What we do know is that on average vaccination reduces the incidence of the disease transmission and lessens the severity of symptoms in those who get it
 

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Thing about being in denial is that one HAVE to get everyone to agree with one. Somerset maughn's priest ranting about prostitutes come to mind. It's a good read. You may even find it prophetic. Or not. It requires a sense of irony. And self deprecation. However, good luck to you (and the special citizens of croydon)
Edit - I say that in the spirit of us all being in denial. Theres enough ranting about prostitutes, metaphorically speaking, on this thread alone to create several more somerset maugham collections
Jonathan, you seem to have come late to the party in not having a clue what my posting has been about from the beginning of the pandemic. Far from being in denial I've been the odd one out with many arguing against my stance.

From the beginning I was very critical of the national approach which led to London being so hard hit by Covid at the outset, but I maintained that this would benefit us over time, And it did and still is benefitting us, both in London overall and in the microcosm that South Croydon physically is. I've used the latter with its precise details to illustrate what I mean, but that doesn't mean it's special since other London areas have performed similarly as you've observed.

Consistent with this was my maintaining from early on that the vaccines were very poor as vaccines, barely acceptable as such, being antigens of value but useless in preventing the spread of the disease. My post from March 8th refers , and that got wide support in here.

Since then two members have begun to swing round to my overall point of view on Covid-19 and now Professor Spiegelhalter has finally agreed that getting infected with Covid-19 is as effective as having the vaccines, all the data showing that to be true. He is after all the government's chief statistician.

I go further. In terms of probabilities I believe that getting infected is likely to be more protective in all respects than the vaccines, though to what degree remains to be seen. Recent indications have been increasingly supportive of that view.
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I see Sweden is mulling over its Covid response:

STOCKHOLM, Oct 29 (Reuters) - Sweden's response to the spread of coronavirus was too slow and preparations to handle a pandemic were insufficient, a commission investigating the country's response to COVID-19 said on Friday.

Sweden's strategy, shunning lockdowns and measures such as widespread use of face masks and only gradually tightening curbs, made the country an outlier in the first year of the pandemic when many countries across Europe chose to implement far tougher restrictions.


The country kept most schools, businesses, bars and restaurants open in startling contrast with a locked-down Europe, relying on voluntary recommendations even as its death toll rapidly eclipsed those if its Nordic neighbours.
 

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What we do not know is what level of immunity is retained by survivors of a real Covid infection over what time period. What we do know is that on average vaccination reduces the incidence of the disease transmission and lessens the severity of symptoms in those who get it
No different from what I've been posting over time and which you've agreed with, but th first sentence above is crucial. Read my latest post just below yours, having not seen yours. and note my conclusion.
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Yesterday I had to get some work done on my car - having a pleasant chat with the lady who runs the office. Boss (owner of the place) is off with Covid, despite having had both vaccines plus a booster a few weeks ago.

Has been ill a few days, is isolating, and has actually deteriorated somewhat - worse on the chest/lungs.

Maybe he'd have been even worse without any vaccination?
 

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