Brexit, for once some facts.

flecc

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The answer to there being too few drivers is obvious - from the extremely aptly named YQ company:

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Only need half or a third the drivers. :)
In the UK only a single trailer is allowed in law. There was and still may be a special exemption for fairground and circus providers since they traditionally had towed double trailers behind their steam traction engines and had continued the practice with IC engined trucks.

There's no trailer laws for bicycles though! :D

 

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In the UK only a single trailer is allowed in law. There was and still may be a special exemption for fairground and circus providers since they traditionally had towed double trailers behind their steam traction engines and had continued the practice with IC engined trucks.

There's no trailer laws for bicycles though! :D

If they were physically and contractually available (say they were legal in Ireland or France and could arrive in hours), I suspect the government would have no difficulty in granting a temporary exemption.

Though I can imagine them doing so then finding there is hardly a fuel forecourt in the country where they could actually be used.
 
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flecc

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If they were physically and contractually available (say they were legal in Ireland or France and could arrive in hours), I suspect the government would have no difficulty in granting a temporary exemption.

Though I can imagine them doing so then finding there is hardly a fuel forecourt in the country where they could actually be used.
A temporary exemption will never happen for several reasons, chief among them is that trailers don't have any rear tow hitch provision or anywhere suitable to fix one for an additional trailer. And as you say, few places where they could be used our roads. The fairground people managed by sticking to main routes, travelling very slowly and the last trailer often only being the caravan they lived in.

It's places which have lots of space like Australia where road trains are used and there's lots that is special about them. For example, look at the photo you posted. The middle trailer is effectively back to front with treble axle bogies at each end.
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A temporary exemption will never happen for several reasons, chief among them is that trailers don't have any rear tow hitch provision or anywhere suitable to fix one for an additional trailer. And as you say, few places where they could be used our roads. The fairground people managed by sticking to main routes, travelling very slowly and the last trailer often only being the caravan they lived in.

It's places which have lots of space like Australia where road trains are used and there's lots that is special about them. For example, look at the photo you posted. The middle trailer is effectively back to front with treble axle bogies at each end.
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They, d be great following our GPS routes and then having to reverse...
To be fair tho that's how I got decent at reversing trailers. Once went down some track, in France, looking for a secluded windsurf beach... No turning points... No beach either, had to reverse about 2 miles back up track... ️️
 
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I think the word youwere looking for was
"sentient"
I've only ever voted Labour, and I will be voting for "Rain Man" Starmer, when Boris calls his snap election after the hospitals have been filled to the gills and the fearful populace has been thoroughly brainwashed with positive Tory messaging throughout that time. But I still think he's a numpte - centrists should join the Tory party, because there's virtually no difference between them and the more moderate Tory loonies.
 
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If I have a choice I'd rather live in a democracy as defined by its institutions - rule of law, freedom of speech, universal equal access to education, protection of minority rights, effective impartial policing, health care - than one defined by the right to vote. The snag with this is that it looks more like sweden or Norway- a country with high taxes administered by specialists who occasionally consider public opinion - than a trump rally (a mob whose sentiment of the moment make them want to suspend democracy by overthrowing an election result).
With the computing power now available, the world would be better run ie for the continued existence of the human race, by vast AIs compelled at intervals to include (or remove) objectives in their programming, voted for by the public, while still calculating and administering the changes necessary to bring that all into reality.
 
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I was apalled at how many cars, lorries and buses remain at large. Last night while out cycling - in a hurry to save petrol, one chap drove his car backwards from his parked position, to reverse into a T junction, but he threw his car bonnet out in front of my bike. I beeped him with my Hornit 140db "World's Loundest Bike Horn". I love the look of surprise when they've been beeped at very loudly by a bike. They're used to us suffering in silence. If I had been a few feet closer, that could have been a nasty collision - luckily I had room to swerve out to the opposite side of the road, where it was clear. If the car behind me had chosen to overtake me at that moment however... The sooner the world runs out of petrol, LPG and diesel, the better.
 

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Then e-car drivers can do it to you - - - - - silently!
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It'll happen to the sounds of Clannad then, I cycle to the sounds of Clannad...


I find that horrible things can happen cycling to anything other than Clannad, playing on my small waterproof JBL Go bluetooth speaker.
 
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guerney

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They probably wouldn't hear it, snugly sealed inside their e-cars, most of their drivers just as oblivious to cyclists as they are now.
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Yes but I'll hear "Coinleach Glas an Fhómhair" post coollision, lit by blue flashing lights :




On other hand, heavy metal thickens the blood... which could slow bleeding.
 
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With the computing power now available, the world would be better run ie for the continued existence of the human race, by vast AIs compelled at intervals to include (or remove) objectives in their programming, voted for by the public, while still calculating and administering the changes necessary to bring that all into reality.
You'd hate it, we all would.

One of the main reasons why we don't achieve the world we want to end up with is that we only want it done "nicely", suiting our human foibles.

Your computer driven AI, while getting to the objectives, would use coldly efficient methods that would appall us by their lack of humanity.

That's because we haven't actually ever achieved AI yet, and possibly never will.
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guerney

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They probably wouldn't hear it, snugly sealed inside their e-cars, most of their drivers just as oblivious to cyclists as they are now.
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It's amazing how they can be staring at you, as their bodies follow through with what they were going to do anyway ie rush forward, as if you didn't exist.
 

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It's amazing how they can be staring at you, as their bodies follow through with what they were going to do anyway ie rush forward, as if you didn't exist.
It's a lack of understanding why there are bicycles on the road anyway. To them everybody knows the roads are expressly for motor vehicles, with cars given the highest priority.
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guerney

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It's a lack of understanding why there are bicycles on the road anyway. To them everybody knows the roads are expressly for motor vehicles, with cars given the highest priority.
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It's also a recognition/conditioning problem - they don't expect to see us, therefore they don't. Nobody should be allowed a driving license unless they've been a road cylist, for at least a year!
 

guerney

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It's a lack of understanding why there are bicycles on the road anyway. To them everybody knows the roads are expressly for motor vehicles, with cars given the highest priority.
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I'm just going to keep covering my bike with lights, till the Police stop me (and even if):

 
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