The death is when long Covid sufferers die from suicide.
That the numbers are, compared with 100,000 or more, tiny doesn't mean they should be ignored.
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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That the numbers are, compared with 100,000 or more, tiny doesn't mean they should be ignored.
I too rely on Our World in Data for most information (possibly over-rely, but they seem better than most), so not surprisingly I agree with your analysis above. Their data comes in turn from John Hopkins University, who get it from (see https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19)
Where was the claim of 130k Covid deaths at 31st December 2020?
- United Kingdom
- Government of the United Kingdom: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/#category=nations&map=rate
- Scottish Government: https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-trends-in-daily-data/
Where was the claim of 130k Covid deaths at 31st December 2020?
Every single day on average, for the last 20 years 1534 people have died in the UK. Over the last week an average of 69 people have died per day with covid mentioned on their death certificate. (not necessarily causing death but probably contributing). That represents under 5% of deaths this week... Seems to me we really ought to be more concerned with the other 95% rather than the daily ritual at 6
O clock of BBC giving out propoganda about covid.
Why aren't road deaths, suicides, flu, heart attacks, strokes, accidents at work, murders, cancers, dementia, old age and all the other aspects proving our mortality also reported?
We could listen and talk about every way to die all evening every day. Cheap telly too.
I've been trying to find a link, I only saw it I think once some while ago, though there was plenty of loose talk late last year about such large numbers. The government doesn't make it easy to find things with the many ways they report the issue on different web pages.
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Nobody dies from Covid,or old age or cancer etc .. They and we all die because our hearts stop beating. Our hearts stop beating because it doesn't get enough oxygenation in its blood and or sugars and other nutrients. ..or maybe because there were sufficient holes that allowed the blood to leak out.
We only see things as newsworthy when they are unique, unusual or a novelty. Nobody will see that water coming out a tap merits a comment,.. but now water not coming from a tap might attract comment. Nobody died of a Covid linked event anywhere on earth until January 2020 as far as we know, ..so it is a newer disease.
The point is that any deaths from it and certainly the 5 Million to date linked were to a very large extent preventable.
A little explanation is needed about that notion
"“The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you’ve got it made.” – Groucho Marx
The real killer is Human stupidity, and the fact of course in politics as in any murky pond scum rises to the top
Some aren't reported because they are so routine. Murders get more coverage per death than Covid; except when the murders come in the form of road deaths in which case they are routinely ignored. Most of the others aren't contagious so there isn't the same urgency about public (mis)information.
UK road deaths drop 16% during pandemic year
UK road deaths dropped for the first time in eight years during 2020 as the coronavirus saw a significant reduction in traffic levels.
www.fleetnews.co.uk
And stay at home, exercise in garden, never ride motorbikes or cross road or take part in any risky sports, become vegan, never drink, smoke or have sex.(we must avoid STIs, Aids)..
Unfortunately part of living is to risk dying, without the latter we ain't doing the former.
Covid is just another risk now, it's manageable and preventable (in developed world?) to a level we accept daily in other walks of life.
In last 10 years I, ve lost mates to heart attacks, sports accidents,cancer and road injury. All folk I know who have had covid (perhaps a dozen) are all alive and kicking.
Time to put things in perspective. Be aware, have the jab, don't be stupid and get on with life.
But of course none of your friends or acquaintances have died with Covid. ,the global average rate is 3/100, and the majority weighted towards the extremely elderly Now if you scanned through your lists of people who succumbed to say alcoholism, or heart attacks, your figures will be different, .Perhaps we should lockdown to save road deaths.UK road deaths drop 16% during pandemic year
UK road deaths dropped for the first time in eight years during 2020 as the coronavirus saw a significant reduction in traffic levels.
And stay at home, exercise in garden, never ride motorbikes or cross road or take part in any risky sports, become vegan, never drink, smoke or have sex.(we must avoid STIs, Aids)..
Unfortunately part of living is to risk dying, without the latter we ain't doing the former.
Covid is just another risk now, it's manageable and preventable (in developed world?) to a level we accept daily in other walks of life.
In last 10 years I, ve lost mates to heart attacks, sports accidents,cancer and road injury. All folk I know who have had covid (perhaps a dozen) are all alive and kicking.
Time to put things in perspective. Be aware, have the jab, don't be stupid and get on with life.
Now I am going to be a little judgemental, and say that all the don'ts you list have both been tried and were the norm in our societies for thousands of years.. Enforcement was by both State and Church. Why do you really think that Jews and Muslims were anti pork?. Why do you think that every society invented marriage? Why do you think quarantine was enforced?.
Repeating old stats I know, but at previous peaks covid killed more than twice as many as cancer (that kills circa 450/day). And it has the potential to mutate into a mers type virus that could kill 1/3 of those it infect). But it's not really the in extremis stats that matter. Well before that it will clog up the health services and cost billions in additional care (also long covid) and many collateral deaths. The chinese are right, we cannot afford it to become endemic. But I do not expect anything I say to change the minds of covid deniers on the thread (never thought I'd miss polly, at least she was unambiguous), though i suspect autumn may well do that.Perhaps we should lockdown to save road deaths.UK road deaths drop 16% during pandemic year
UK road deaths dropped for the first time in eight years during 2020 as the coronavirus saw a significant reduction in traffic levels.
And stay at home, exercise in garden, never ride motorbikes or cross road or take part in any risky sports, become vegan, never drink, smoke or have sex.(we must avoid STIs, Aids)..
Unfortunately part of living is to risk dying, without the latter we ain't doing the former.
Covid is just another risk now, it's manageable and preventable (in developed world?) to a level we accept daily in other walks of life.
In last 10 years I, ve lost mates to heart attacks, sports accidents,cancer and road injury. All folk I know who have had covid (perhaps a dozen) are all alive and kicking.
Time to put things in perspective. Be aware, have the jab, don't be stupid and get on with life.
With Polly gone there are no Covid deniers in this thread. The rest of us all acknowledge Covid-19 and its dangers and the need to protect ourselves with the recommended measures and to the best of my knowledge we all practice those measures.
But most of us keep our heads and don't go looking for the worst possible scenario at any excuse to try to scare ourselves and others unnecessarily.
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Not quite sure what point you are making here, besides disagreeing with mine.
Just wonder how your standpoint influences your life at moment. My household are trying and mostly succeeding in leading fairly normal lives. Going to boat in family group of upto 12, having family BBQs, attending hospital appointments, seeing grand kids whenever and as much as poss, attended a family wedding 4 weeks ago, going biking, windsurfing etc.. But still taking care and not going abroad.. What are you doing Danidl??
And surprisingly at wedding of 2 fireservice staff, attended by many from all emergency services there was only one person wearing a mask. To best of my knowledge not a single covid casualty arising from celebrations. (around 150 at evening do)
Like I said earlier time to move on and get on with enjoying life. What is alternative Danidl and JA? Notice we are all still here.
Statistically, I, d guess my chances now (after 2 jabs and upcoming booster planned) of dying from covid are pretty similar to those of my being lost at sea whilst windsurfing. Yep, it's another risk but come on Danidl. Move on. If it gets worse, which it may, we'll cross that bridge then. No point worrying about what could happen. There, s a great big asteroid with our name on it. Not much we can do about that either. Let's panic and argue?
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Well disagreeing with you is a perennial topic, so take that as read. Prudence is what I am advocating. Now I haven't had CV and none of my immediate family has had, and of course I took the jabs as soon as available. Now I do believe I have now a fighting chance if I got a heafty dose of the Delta variant . Had I got even a mild dose of the original ,last September I am very sure I would not be writing this. ..but with 6 stents , and loads of pills it is a different matter. The game changer is the vaccine.
I see the vaccines as basically being a reset back to March 2020. The chance of a vaccinated person getting a serious infection ,even with Delta Variant , is the same as it was in early March 2020 with the original strain. I hope we don't make the same mistake again
Agreed. I, m in a similar position. I certainly would have been far more worried had I contracted Covid pre jab and pre heart op. For me and most of family who got it symptoms were mild.. Youngest daughter lost sense of smell for 8 weeks or so, grand kids were off food for a day... Which in their world is serious. All absolutely fine now.