Presumably it's cheaper than leaving the country?For clarity, has he just taken it out? Allegedly.
Or was it a while ago?
Now what could such a man of the highest moral integrity possibly want to do that for?
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Now what could such a man of the highest moral integrity possibly want to do that for?
You know full well that as for Flu and Pneumonia, not just fluStrange that we were told there were no flu cases isn't it?
Or so we were led to believe.
Yet now it is the big killer?
This is known as a "Gee Whiz!" graph
As reliable as the Greased Piglet.
Also very odd that the government gave exaggerated death casualty figures at the same time as saying how wonderfully well it was doing with the vaccination rollout.
All smacks of creative statistics to suit the current narrative.
Put not your faith in any figures that the Government has come within a million miles of.
For example from the ONS website
"The reliance on some of these data by government (both local and national) makes ONS material central to debates about the determination of priorities, the allocation of resources and for decisions on interest rates or borrowing. The complexity and degree and speed of change in the society, combined with the challenge of measuring some of these (e.g. in relation to longevity, migration or illness patterns or fine movements in inflation or other aspects of national accounts) give rise to periodic debates about some of its indicators and portrayals. Many of these rely on sources which are outside ONS, while some of its own sources need to be supplemented, for example between censuses, by updated but less rigorously obtained information from other sources. Consequently, unexpected or incomplete data or occasional errors or disputes about its analysis can also attract considerable attention.
How one has to ask, have they managed to pull off the level of investigation needed to verify the information recorded on such an immense number of death certificates when there hasn't been an official inquiry?
As fine a work of fiction as could be wished for when a government desperately wants suppress bad news to open up the economy, from let's face it
A department of that very Government
Peerages all round eh?
No fiction, I've already shown in this post that your assumption of fiction being used is completely wrong. That clearly showed how deducting the average number of deaths for previous years from the 2020 total resulted in the much lower number of deaths which the government has now quietly admitted to.
You're another who can only look for negatives, any maybe, if or possibly you can find. You seem to have missed that the exaggeration I've long been complaining of has been going on thoughout the whole period of Covid, so is nothing to do with any current need to play down Covid.
It's not just the infection rate is now much lower than you doomsters keep forecasting, the deaths are too by a full third from 1.2 to 0.8 per 100k. I trust you aren't suggesting the authorities are hiding bodies to under report deaths too?
The fact is the restrictions have been eased and it hasn't resulted in the instant disaster some forecast. Just watch how wrong Spiegelhalter will be with his forecast of 200,000 infections a day by Christmas.
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As I mentioned a few days ago, the decline in cases that had been so welcome since July 21st did not continue as hoped for, but reversed from the beginning of August, and is now back on a clear upward path. The early August upturn came at a time exactly compatible with expected lag after a cause being mid-July relaxation of restrictions.
As you said, there are enough different things going on (such as new variants) that we can't be sure that the relaxation was the cause of the upturn; to me it certainly looks like the most likely cause. I agree it has not been at a disaster level.
Deaths never saw the fall, they have continued a slow but steady increase since June; it looks as if they may be slowing and we'll see a death reduction lagging from the end July case reduction soon.
it's just the temperature and humidity factors.
The underlying trend in infections is slightly up.
This is the latest graph by our government:
Last 7 days:
196,047, up 13,317 (7.3%)
Did Kent vote for brexit?
Emergency Brexit powers to handle lorry queues are being made permanent
Emergency Brexit powers to handle lorry queues are being made permanent
But not remotely like the numbers being confidently forecast at the peak on 19th July. And as mentioned, the death totals are refusing to co-operate, staying stubbornly low.it's just the temperature and humidity factors.
The underlying trend in infections is slightly up.
This is the latest graph by our government:
Last 7 days:
196,047, up 13,317 (7.3%)
I'm sticking with my calculated numbers based on the more reliable deaths data and now supported very precisely by government admission. I'd calculated 73,000 deaths due to Covid at 31st December so I was naturally pleased to find the government's own laboratory approved final figure was virtually identical at 72178.
There's absolutely no doubt that the government has been consistently exaggerating the infection and death figures. Having consistently claimed an impossible over 130k deaths last year by 31st December, they are now only reporting 130k total UK deaths at present, so presumably zero deaths in 2021.
The truth is that, thanks to the vaccines, we are still well short of 100k deaths definitely due to Covid-19 and are unlikely to reach that total by 31st December 2021, despite the delta variant.
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Just saw/heard an advert for Kardia Mobile - a heart monitor device. The specifically claimed it is "CE marked".
What madness!
The rules are bizarre with NI needing separate handling to rest of UK. And the UKCA not being 100% in place.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/regulating-medical-devices-in-the-uk
What madness!
The rules are bizarre with NI needing separate handling to rest of UK. And the UKCA not being 100% in place.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/regulating-medical-devices-in-the-uk
On The ITV website today
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The government said a further 39 people have died within 28 days of testing positive for Covid-19 as of Sunday, bringing the UK total to 130,321.
Separate figures published by the Office for National Statistics show there have been 155,000 deaths registered in the UK where Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate.
As of 9am on Sunday, there had been a further 27,429 lab-confirmed Covid-19 cases in the UK, the Government said.
England
The death toll in England has risen by 35, taking the overall toll to 114,482. Meanwhile, 27,429 new cases have been reported.
No matter how you manipulate the figures those are the facts, perhaps if we deduct the number who have ingrowing toenails and dandruff we can get it down to Zero?
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The government said a further 39 people have died within 28 days of testing positive for Covid-19 as of Sunday, bringing the UK total to 130,321.
Separate figures published by the Office for National Statistics show there have been 155,000 deaths registered in the UK where Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate.
As of 9am on Sunday, there had been a further 27,429 lab-confirmed Covid-19 cases in the UK, the Government said.
England
The death toll in England has risen by 35, taking the overall toll to 114,482. Meanwhile, 27,429 new cases have been reported.
No matter how you manipulate the figures those are the facts, perhaps if we deduct the number who have ingrowing toenails and dandruff we can get it down to Zero?
Odd how much the numbers vary.
Covid-19 in the UK
Daily cases
23,510
+1,819 vs last week
Daily deaths
146
Total deaths
130,503
Cases and deaths as published 10 Aug 2021. Weekly change shows difference from 7 days ago. Source: data.gov.uk.
Reporting Covid casualties accurately in this country is apparently beyond the capability of those charged with the task of carrying it outOdd how much the numbers vary.
Covid-19 in the UK
Daily cases
23,510
+1,819 vs last week
Daily deaths
146
Total deaths
130,503
Cases and deaths as published 10 Aug 2021. Weekly change shows difference from 7 days ago. Source: data.gov.uk.
I think it's well within their capabilities but they just don't want to.
It's a simple enough job, a death is a death, a body either living or dead, so arriving at a single precise number isn't in any way difficult.
That they don't want to do that is illustrated by them presenting the number in so many ways:
Deaths within 28 days of a positive test (even though theres no such thing as a reliable test).
Deaths within 60 days of a positive test for lab verification purposes.
Deaths where Covid is mentioned on the death certificate (which has no valid meaning).
It's all designed to confuse, just like the multiplicity of charts they used to confuse the public in the daily Covid show and it's all for political reasons. The last thing they want the public to know about anything is facts, since once armed with definite facts, the public become troublesome by demanding obvious but inconvenient solutions.
The solution for us is to ignore the statistical manipulators like Spiegelhalter and draw our own conclusions from the reliable facts that have been available over many years, so not prone to false reporting.
Or you can just be manipulated by actually believing what they are reporting. That this is false is blindingly obvious as I've proved in two ways:
Firstly the 130k Covid deaths originally reported at 31st December and now cannot both be right since it means zero deaths in 2021.
Secondly the 130k Covid deaths in 2020 cannot be right since that is statistically impossible.
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Despite Fleccs earlier comments about my looking only at the downside.. and I would dispute that, I am gratified that the incidence of deaths is greatly reduced by the amount of vaccination, what I now find very disturbing is that none of you have faith in the official statistics issued by the UK authorities. It was traditionally an article of faith that the single enduring legacy of the British Empire was an incorruptible civil service,
Was is the operative word Danidl, and they can only be as good as the information fed to them. Such nonsense as deaths being due to Covid if within 28 days or 60 days of a positive test, and the even greater nonsense of a mention of Covid on a death certificate.
Add to those two of the worse performing tests for a disease ever devised and it's hardly surprising the conclusions are gibberish that leave the public baffled and even disbelieving.
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Numbers have risen very substantially here. Although these are very clearly estimated numbers, we have gone from very low to very high. Not so surprising when we consider how many vistors we have had, and the loosening of measures. Mind, even the remaining things - like wearing masks indoors such as in supermarkets - appear to be wantonly ignored by some. (Always difficult to be sure they are not validly exempted but, again and again, I see two people together both not wearing masks. Seems unlikely so many couples would both be exempt.)
https://covid.joinzoe.com/data#interactive-map
https://covid.joinzoe.com/data#interactive-map
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Arriving at a precise number of deaths is not difficult as you say. Determining the cause of death is the difficult part; all the ways are flawed (again as you say). It certainly is confusing. The government are just as confused as we are, and certainly not above manipulating statistics to mislead or create confusion.
Excess deaths is probably a more reliable statistic, but shows the same general story as the case/deaths statistics. Some months they are negative (*), but not nearly enough to hide the overall positive numbers.
(*) as expected, elderly people who die of Covid in January can't die of other causes in July. It would be even more difficult to create an accurate statistic of lost life years.
At least we don't have the situation there was (?is) in the US, where in some states doctors were encouraged to put Covid on a death certificate to help increase funding, and in others they were strong discouraged in order to hide the situation.
What about long Covid - and the increased suicide rate? Still represents deaths due to Covid even if the virus has not actually directly killed.
I am not too bothered about the absolute number of covid deaths. Flecc pointed out at the beginning of the crisis, covid deaths will simply shift the life expectancy down a little bit. No real consequence if you disregard the bereavement aspect.
I am more worried about the degradation of our free healthcare system in general. Over the last two years, I only had one visit to the dentist, didn't see a doctor once, no hospital checkup etc.
Covid privatises the NHS without the opposition batting an eyelid.
I am more worried about the degradation of our free healthcare system in general. Over the last two years, I only had one visit to the dentist, didn't see a doctor once, no hospital checkup etc.
Covid privatises the NHS without the opposition batting an eyelid.
As I've previously illustrated, excess deaths over a year is a very reliable indicator, especially in our own case where for the three previous years (2017, 2018, 2019) we had a fairly static population total and equally consistent death totals. Deduction of that three year average produces 73,000 excess deaths for 2020.
Of course those who would have died anyway could catch covid earlier and die of that instead, but to get the huge shift from 73,000 excess to the reported 130,000 deaths in 2020 due to Covid would require a national infection rate of circa 40% at least!
Our own knowledge of all our acquaintances, relatives etc. means we know that isn't remotely the case.
And we have the fact that the government has carelessly admitted to falsification in two ways:
Firstly by claiming circa 130k Covid deaths both at 31st December 2020 and also now, which is impossible. Secondly by quietly publishing the lab verified number of 72178 deaths for 2020, matching very closely my 73,000 excess death calculation.
P.S. I've now found further support for my 73,000 number from the Our World in Data web site, their UK total Covid deaths for 2020 at 31st December being 73,622.
What more do you want? Aren't the calculated excess deaths of 73,000, the government's lab verified 72178 and World Data's 73,622 consistency enough?
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Those numbers are peanuts compared with the 78% over excess deaths being reported as due to Covid.
And since when can Long Covid be a death? It's only Long Covid while life persists.
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