Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Makes you wonder what impact a high consequence disease would have...

I think it's about the ratio of deaths to infections, and that is now far lower then it was last year, thanks to the vaccines.

Latest daily figures I just checked was almost 52,000 infections with just 49 deaths.

That's 0.09%, very unwelcome but not exactly the Black Death with 33%.

Influenza is far worse, here's some US figures:

"For the 2019-2020 influenza season, 55,000 influenza-related hospitalizations had been reported as of early January 2020, and 2900 attributable deaths had been reported at that time, including 27 pediatric deaths. "

That's 5.3% for 'flu, 59 times worse than Covid and why I'm more relaxed about Covid than many.

We need to keep a sense of perspective, perhaps the government hasn't got it quite so wrong.
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[oyster]

I think it's abut the ratio of deaths to infections, and that is now far lower then it was last year, thanks to the vaccines.

Latest daily figures I just checked was almost 52,000 infections with just 49 deaths.

That's 0.09%, very unwelcome but not exactly the Black Death with 33%.

That's why I'm more relaxed about it than many.
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How many have died from lack of treatment for non-covid issues?

Obviously not expecting an answer. A neighbour is currently in intensive care as a consequence of delays in diagnosis and treatment for a brain tumour.

 

[flecc]

How many have died from lack of treatment for non-covid issues?

Obviously not expecting an answer. A neighbour is currently in intensive care as a consequence of delays in diagnosis and treatment for a brain tumour.

See my greatly edited response above, that is my answer on the subject of Covid.

Put another way, your neighbour and I have not been getting the medical treatment we need because the authorities have been grossly overreacting to Covid.

And it's many in the public who are driving that, including members in here. My last sentence above refers.
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[Danidl]

I think it's abut the ratio of deaths to infections, and that is now far lower then it was last year, thanks to the vaccines.

Latest daily figures I just checked was almost 52,000 infections with just 49 deaths.

That's 0.09%, very unwelcome but not exactly the Black Death with 33%.

That's why I'm more relaxed about it than many.
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Flecc, .. very unlike you. Deaths follow infections , but by about 3 to 6 weeks . Look at the 49, and go back to the daily infection rate .. at about 4 to 6000 in early June. . What is undeniable is that the vaccines have helped a lot ..thank God.

 

[Woosh]

See my greatly edited response above, that is my answer on the subject of Covid.

Put another way, your neighbour and I have not been getting the medical treatment we need because the authorities have been grossly overreacting to Covid.

And it's many in the public who are driving that, including members in here. My last sentence above refers.
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flu is much less infectious though.
That's one of the reasons that I reckon covid is man made.

 

[flecc]

Flecc, .. very unlike you. Deaths follow infections , but by about 3 to 6 weeks . Look at the 49, and go back to the daily infection rate .. at about 4 to 6000 in early June. . What is undeniable is that the vaccines have helped a lot ..thank God.

Se my greatly edited post above.

Even allowing for the delay, Covid is still being greatly overplayed.
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[flecc]

flu is much less infectious though.

Now we have good vaccines against it.
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[oyster]

Bins in England go uncollected due to Covid test-and-trace ‘pingdemic’
Councils and NHS services struggle with high volume of staff absence related to Covid-19

And sing, Oh the full bins of old England
In old England very full bins​

 

[flecc]

Bins in England go uncollected due to Covid test-and-trace ‘pingdemic’
Councils and NHS services struggle with high volume of staff absence related to Covid-19

It will soon get worse. Every year here we get this problem when the school summer holiday means council staff are away on holiday. In 2019 we went five weeks then without a collection, our bin rooms infested with thousands of maggots.
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[oyster]

It will soon get worse. Every year here we get this problem when the school summer holiday means council staff are away on holiday. In 2019 we went five weeks then without a collection, our bin rooms infested with thousands of maggots.
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I take my hat off to our services. Consistent, competent, if you see them, friendly.

The only real issue is the way some bins get left rather strewn about but it is difficult in a windy area. Oh! And their lorry cuts off my Wi-Fi for about three minutes every week.

 

[flecc]

I take my hat off to our services. Consistent, competent, if you see them, friendly.

I fully agree. In fact I went to the trouble of getting in touch with the waste contractor's management to thank them for the excellent service we received through the difficulties of the epidemic. Two of them in turn visited to thank me.

I think they must have fed it back to the staff since my binroom has suffere no spillages since and all the bins are put exactly back in place each week!

So it obviously pays to say "Thank you".
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[Woosh]

Now we have good vaccines against it.
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half of the covid deaths at the moment are of those who have been double-jabbed.
The vaccines only buy 50% insurance against the delta variant, probably much less against the beta variant (South African).
Is it enough insurance to live with covid?

 

[oyster]

Sajid Javid has tested positive.

 

[flecc]

half of the covid deaths at the moment are of those who have been double-jabbed.
The vaccines only buy 50% insurance against the delta variant, probably much less against the beta variant (South African).
Is it enough insurance to live with covid?

The Covid ones only buy 50% because the vaccines are not good enough, the 'flu vaccines are better.

And living with Covid isn't an option until we have real vaccines that work well enough. Meanwhile we live with it or die from it, whether we like it or not. All we can do personally is avoid and protect to attempt to live rather than die.

And anyway, the risk of Covid is being grossly over emphasized as I've posted:

Only 2.7% catch it.

From my earlier post, only 0.09% of them die from it currently.

So that's only 0.0024% of the population dying from Covid now, though it will increase a little.

With each wave such as from the Delta variant, it causes sudden extra deaths, but we have to remember that most of them are older people. The rate of older people dying means we lose well over 800,000 of the population each year anyway, some 1.25% of the population, both of these dwarfing anything due to Covid.

I repeat, we need to keep a sense of perspective, Covid being a very much smaller risk than 'flu and all the other causes of death combined.
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[flecc]

Sajid Javid has tested positive.

You'd think that as Health Secretary he'd know better than trust one of his tests!
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[Woosh]

And anyway, the risk of Covid is being grossly over emphasized as I've posted:

Only 2.7% catch it.

From my earlier post, only 0.09% of them die from it currently.

So that's only 0.0024% of the population dying from Covid now, though it will increase a little.

that small percentage of those who catch covid will become near 100% soon without curbing measures.
Will you and I get a better vaccine before we catch it?

 

[flecc]

that small percentage of those who catch covid will become near 100% soon without curbing measures.

I'm quite sure it won't.

Firstly many of us have inherent protection, I'm one of them for these reasons:

a) Like almost a third of the country, mine is a single houshold.
b) Like many millions I'm retired, so no workplace mixing.
c) Like very large numbers all my leisure pursuits are in the countryside in clean air.
d) Being teetotal I hardly ever socialise with others and don't have drunkenness risks.
e) Like many every year I have the 'flu jab which gives a degree of Covid protection.
f) I don't use public transport.
g) I don't travel to distant holiday locations.
h) And many of us will continue masking until Covid is under control.

So as you can see, my Covid risk is miniscule, and that is shared by many millions of others.
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[Danidl]

I'm quite sure it won't.

Firstly many of us have inherent protection, I'm one of them for these reasons:

a) Like almost a third of the country, mine is a single houshold.
b) Like many millions I'm retired, so no workplace mixing.
c) Like very large numbers all my leisure pursuits are in the countryside in clean air.
d) Being teetotal I hardly ever socialise with others and don't have drunkenness risks.
e) Like many every year I have the 'flu jab which gives a degree of Covid protection.
f) I don't use public transport.
g) I don't travel to distant holiday locations.
h) And many of us will continue masking until Covid is under control.

So as you can see, my Covid risk is miniscule, and that is shared by many millions of others.
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And long may it continue!. But you bring your laundry down to the communal washing machines, you buy your fish at the fish counter. The big lad swinging past you at the entrance might have Covid D , and he is of course unmasked. They have a documented case from Australia that two adjacent doors opening sequentially at a hotel quarantine facility transferred the virus between the occupants. The occupants were collecting their dinner trays.

 

[oldgroaner]

I think it's about the ratio of deaths to infections, and that is now far lower then it was last year, thanks to the vaccines.

Latest daily figures I just checked was almost 52,000 infections with just 49 deaths.

That's 0.09%, very unwelcome but not exactly the Black Death with 33%.

Influenza is far worse, here's some US figures:

"For the 2019-2020 influenza season, 55,000 influenza-related hospitalizations had been reported as of early January 2020, and 2900 attributable deaths had been reported at that time, including 27 pediatric deaths. "

That's 5.3% for 'flu, 59 times worse than Covid and why I'm more relaxed about Covid than many.

We need to keep a sense of perspective, perhaps the government hasn't got it quite so wrong.
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I wonder how it could be that in this country we are told there have been no recorded cases of the Flu this year, none!

 

[oldgroaner]

Not to worry we are all in incapable hands


Sajid Javid@sajidjavid
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This morning I tested positive for Covid. I’m waiting for my PCR result, but thankfully I have had my jabs and symptoms are mild. Please make sure you come forward for your vaccine if you haven’t already.

oldgroaner@oldgroaner
Sajid Javid! You're not setting a very good example to the plebs by catching something you tell them to avoid. Resign! you have failed the first test you have set the public. Give the job to somebody competent