Following the earlier response I went looking and yes there is a speciality butchers in Ranelagh Dublin ... dealing with Goats meat. Ranelagh would be a hippster , University student, univerity lecturer haunt with very well off folk and student types. I actually ran into Shaun McGowan of the Pogues in a restaurant there.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Where I used to live there was a Ranelagh Road - and disagreement about whether it was Ran-leigh or Ran-e-la.
I never went away. I’m still here even though you can’t see me.
I'm sure it will grow. The publicity about the ill effects on the environment of cattle production has greatly increased interest in less damaging alternatives, with Goat, Ostrich, Crocodile, Kangaroo and even insects figuring. This quote is interesting:
"Goat meat makes up 60 per cent of red meat worldwide, but the UK is one of the few places in the world where it's not commonly eaten. ... Goat meat, kid, is in fashion. It's even available to buy from Ocado, and will soon be on supermarket shelves."
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My experience with goats is extremely limited, neighbors in France had a few, including a tiny kid, who could slither downhill into my garden. They will eat anything , .. briars, ivy , dock leaves , nettles ..no bother to them.
From todays Irish Times ..
The European Union should consider changing its food safety rules to accommodate British demands if it wants the Northern Ireland protocol to work, Brexit minister David Frost has told MPs. Lord Frost told the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee that the EU was applying sanitary and phytosanitary (SPS) rules meant for “global third party trade” to the very different circumstances of Northern Ireland.
“They could change their rules in the context of Northern Ireland if they wanted to,” he said.
“In the circumstances where the politics are so delicate, and we all say we are trying to support the Good Friday Agreement, and take the EU on their word on that, it would seem sensible to look at these things in a more reasonable way.”
Lord Frost acknowledged that the protocol he negotiated with the EU in 2019 states that the EU’s universal customs code should apply to Northern Ireland.
But, he said, the agreement was not being applied in the way it was intended by the negotiators and the EU was ignoring its requirement that checks and controls in ports in the North should be minimised.
He accused the EU of taking a purist approach to the movement of chilled meats including sausages from Great Britain to Northern Ireland after a grace period ends at the end of this month.
“We have asked and suggested to the EU that the right way forward would be to agree to extend the grace period, at least for a bit, to provide a bit of a breathing space for the current discussions to continue and try and find solutions.
“I still hold out some hope that they might agree to that because it seems a very narrow point to take such a purist view about. We are not having much progress but there is a little bit of time left before that,” he said.
“It would seem to me a pity to make this negotiation, that is already pretty complex and tense, more so by being very purist about that, but there we are.”
Lord Frost repeated the British government’s threat to take further unilateral action, including a suspension of the protocol by triggering Article 16, if the EU did not agree to bend the rules.
British prime minister Boris Johnson issued the same warning during prime minister’s questions later, as did Northern Ireland secretary Brandon Lewis answering questions from MPs.
“If we get the protocol to work in a proper, flexible, pragmatic way, it creates an opportunity for Northern Ireland. But we also have to be cognisant of the fact that, at the moment, it is causing real disruption and real problems for businesses and consumers in Northern Ireland, across the whole community, and it has an impact on people’s sense of identity in the Unionist community,” Mr Lewis said.
, and it has an impact on people’s sense of identity in the Unionist community,” Mr Lewis said.
“We have to accept that, respond to it and deal with the protocol in a pragmatic way. That is why I think it is so important that the EU engages with people in Northern Ireland to get a real understanding of why Northern Ireland is such an important part of our United Kingdom. ”
There are a few points I would take issue with.
The first being
", and it has an impact on people’s sense of identity in the Unionist community," ... That is certainly true , but that is not an EU problem ,it is purely a UK one .
"it is causing real disruption and real problems for businesses and consumers in Northern Ireland" .. I don't believe that is true . That is a manufactured position .
The European Union should consider changing its food safety rules to accommodate British demands if it wants the Northern Ireland protocol to work, Brexit minister David Frost has told MPs. Lord Frost told the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee that the EU was applying sanitary and phytosanitary (SPS) rules meant for “global third party trade” to the very different circumstances of Northern Ireland.
“They could change their rules in the context of Northern Ireland if they wanted to,” he said.
“In the circumstances where the politics are so delicate, and we all say we are trying to support the Good Friday Agreement, and take the EU on their word on that, it would seem sensible to look at these things in a more reasonable way.”
Lord Frost acknowledged that the protocol he negotiated with the EU in 2019 states that the EU’s universal customs code should apply to Northern Ireland.
But, he said, the agreement was not being applied in the way it was intended by the negotiators and the EU was ignoring its requirement that checks and controls in ports in the North should be minimised.
He accused the EU of taking a purist approach to the movement of chilled meats including sausages from Great Britain to Northern Ireland after a grace period ends at the end of this month.
“We have asked and suggested to the EU that the right way forward would be to agree to extend the grace period, at least for a bit, to provide a bit of a breathing space for the current discussions to continue and try and find solutions.
“I still hold out some hope that they might agree to that because it seems a very narrow point to take such a purist view about. We are not having much progress but there is a little bit of time left before that,” he said.
“It would seem to me a pity to make this negotiation, that is already pretty complex and tense, more so by being very purist about that, but there we are.”
Lord Frost repeated the British government’s threat to take further unilateral action, including a suspension of the protocol by triggering Article 16, if the EU did not agree to bend the rules.
British prime minister Boris Johnson issued the same warning during prime minister’s questions later, as did Northern Ireland secretary Brandon Lewis answering questions from MPs.
“If we get the protocol to work in a proper, flexible, pragmatic way, it creates an opportunity for Northern Ireland. But we also have to be cognisant of the fact that, at the moment, it is causing real disruption and real problems for businesses and consumers in Northern Ireland, across the whole community, and it has an impact on people’s sense of identity in the Unionist community,” Mr Lewis said.
, and it has an impact on people’s sense of identity in the Unionist community,” Mr Lewis said.
“We have to accept that, respond to it and deal with the protocol in a pragmatic way. That is why I think it is so important that the EU engages with people in Northern Ireland to get a real understanding of why Northern Ireland is such an important part of our United Kingdom. ”
There are a few points I would take issue with.
The first being
", and it has an impact on people’s sense of identity in the Unionist community," ... That is certainly true , but that is not an EU problem ,it is purely a UK one .
"it is causing real disruption and real problems for businesses and consumers in Northern Ireland" .. I don't believe that is true . That is a manufactured position .
I fully agree.
I think Lord Frost is trying to patch the position he negotiated to what Boris Johnson wants by asking the EU to concede to what wasn't agreed.
I doubt they'll do that, since as you say, this is purely a UK problem and much of it mythical.
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"Lord Frost acknowledged that the protocol he negotiated with the EU in 2019 states that the EU’s universal customs code should apply to Northern Ireland. "
My answer in the EU's position would be to recommend sex and travel.
This Frost creature looks like what he really is , a man stupid enough to try to sell oven cleaner filled condoms .
https://www.hsj.co.uk/commissioning/breaking-dido-harding-applies-to-be-nhs-england-chief/7030331.article
She can invest the money she was handed for test and trace on the NHS then as that never worked, tell her to use that
She believes she is the perfect candidate as she’s not managed to trace anyone who thinks otherwise!
She can invest the money she was handed for test and trace on the NHS then as that never worked, tell her to use that
She believes she is the perfect candidate as she’s not managed to trace anyone who thinks otherwise!
I take the opposite view OG, I'm in favour of all the alternative meats.
Our ridiculous conservatism with food has led to all sorts of evils, for example:
Countless millions of tonnes of fish thrown back dead into the sea since we won't eat them because they are not the usual ones we eat like cod etc.
Meanwhile fish stocks of those we do eat fished down to near zero, meaning bans on fishing for them and our fishing fleet decimated as you well know.
The mass production of our favourite beef, pork and poultry with the damage that is doing via climate change and land misuse, while we ignore all the alternative meats which often go to waste.
Remember your adage OG, if it's conservative it's evil, including conservative food habits.
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We are now back to the highest Covid infection rate in Europe again.
What a weird situation, more vaccinated than any other country yet the least benefit.
Next the conspiracy theorists will be saying it's the vaccines that are spreading Covid.
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What a weird situation, more vaccinated than any other country yet the least benefit.
Next the conspiracy theorists will be saying it's the vaccines that are spreading Covid.
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I think we have benefitted from vaccination. Despite the fast rising and (relatively) high number of cases, the UK number of deaths is still one of the lowest. We'll soon see the impact more clearly one way or the other, as death statistics usually follow case statistics by about three weeks, and it was about three weeks ago that cases started rising fairly rapidly
I might take that with a little caution. Yes the early vaccination has helped a lot . Remember the UK had about a month headstart , but may have squandered it on not doing the double jabbing. What has happened here is that with greater availability, the HSE ..our equivalent to the NHS has reduced the dwell period from 12weeks for the AZ down to 8 or maybe less.
Today we had the most optimistic assessment from our Health experts. . The Delta variant struck in Dublin but was contained , and fuller opening of everything should be going ahead in 3 weeks.
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