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Not all Morgans had the J.A.P. engine though, there were the Matchless engined ones, MX2 air cooled and the best one, the MX4 water cooled. I always though the Brough Superior with the MX2 engine was the best one too.

However I don't like the sound of any of the V twins, or American V8s, or twins of any variety. Or singles, I definitely dislike the sound of the Manx Norton. Give me the howl of the Gilera four anytime, I'm definitely a multi-cylinder fan in locations where noise is appropriate like race tracks.

The worst of all sounds? Definitely Formula E, I can't stand to watch it and endure that horrible discordant whining. Motor sport for the chronically deaf.
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If they aren't careful folk will turn away from car racing if they persist with electric... Bikes have realised, not a great deal of development going into Formula Zero and they, ve lost top riders...
I certainly wouldn't go to IOM to watch electric bikes... Its just not same...
By the way, I agree about noise... Gilera 4 is superb. With the Inter Norton it's the whole picture. The bike, what it represented, how it looked and listening for my dad on his... Listening to one coming down road is an experience tho...
 
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What a stupid anti e-car article, I quote from it:

"In roughly three minutes, you can fill the gas tank of a Ford Mustang and have enough range to go about 300 miles with its V8 engine.

But for the electric Mustang Mach-E, an hour plugged into a household outlet gave Bloomberg automotive analyst Kevin Tynan just three miles of range."


He's no auto-analyst, he's an idiot.

Nobody charges an e-car from a household outlet and expects it to be fast, the comparison with the gas tank is with an ultra fast charger or one of Tesla's latest chargers, and California has lots of both. And of course most of the world's countries are far smaller than the USA with it's long distances.
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Wasn't article I was interested in, he isn't particularly gifted with his physics terms... Was the stats.. Are 1 in 5 electric owners returning to Ice???
 

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If they aren't careful folk will turn away from car racing if they persist with electric... Bikes have realised, not a great deal of development going into Formula Zero and they, ve lost top riders...
I certainly wouldn't go to IOM to watch electric bikes... Its just not same...
The one thing e-power has exposed is that all motor sport is really a sonic experience even more than a visual one. I'd go as far as to say that a blind person at a Formula one race would have far more excitement and enjoyment than a totally deaf person watching it.
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Are 1 in 5 electric owners returning to Ice???
Certainly not here, it's the opposite now.

Initially overselling the very short range Leaf resulted in lots of early selling them at huge loss, but over the last four years the reverse has happened. Almost universally all UK e-car owners say they will never go back and second hand prices have got much higher. Over the last three years depreciation of e-cars has been much less than that of IC cars as it's realised how long the batteries are lasting and how much better the reliability is.

There's no way I would go back and lose not only those benefits but all the less obvious ones as well.
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That's not a Ford Pop tho.. Ford Pop was introduced in 1953...with a side valve engine but not same as in models from 1933..I think... Not certain but don't think Ford had a model called "Pop" in early days.
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That was just how it was referred to by the person I knew who had one! That it might have been from the Ford Model Y, or the precise spec. engine in a genuine Ford Popular might have been slightly different wasn't really my point! It was a sidevalve, four cylinder engine produced by Ford!

His brother had a Jap V-twin model. That was how I became familar with those two examples.
 

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Wonder if they fitted nice noisy exhausts to those sublime V8s. Shelby Mustangs on my list of desirable, anti social cars..That uneven pulse from yank V8s (and Harleys) is great..
Harley tried to patent noise of their V twin... But couldn't, so patented engineering design which gives it... Correct angle between cylinders and common crank pin.. Its why they sound different to all the other V twins.. Great aswell. 3 wheeler Morgan somehow loses it tho?? (SS vtwin is development of Harley)

Scraping barrel for something interesting on here... We, ve reached rock bottom with wall paper.
Please stop quoting Guardian. Its utter rubbish,biased,prejuduced and actually worse than mail... Which takes some doing.
And, who cares how much his flat cost. Country has just borrowed around £300 billion and best Guardian can come up with is expensive wall paper. Give us a break.
There's plenty else:

The Observer view on Britain’s ineptitude at securing Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe’s release

Also on Johnson's conscience. Assuming he has one.
 
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Belief in Johnson has gone up and down.

There has been a big increase in the number who believe almost everything is untrue. Mostly what he says but occasionally an allegation as to what he has done.

Our credulity has broken when we read a comment like this:

A No 10 spokesperson said: “The prime minister has covered the cost of all childcare.” She did not respond when asked if Johnson paid for the original bill himself or had reimbursed somebody else.

And our first reaction is to see how that could be true and false at the same time. "Aha! Wilf is a baby so that would count as babycare not childcare."
 

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There's plenty else:

The Observer view on Britain’s ineptitude at securing Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe’s release

Also on Johnson's conscience. Assuming he has one.
Mmm. Don't hold your breath whilst waiting for him to go... He, s here for a while yet and even if not him will be somebody similar... Or worse.. Like Gove..Or Sunak???
 
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What a stupid anti e-car article, I quote from it:

"In roughly three minutes, you can fill the gas tank of a Ford Mustang and have enough range to go about 300 miles with its V8 engine.

But for the electric Mustang Mach-E, an hour plugged into a household outlet gave Bloomberg automotive analyst Kevin Tynan just three miles of range."


He's no auto-analyst, he's an idiot.

Nobody charges an e-car from a household outlet and expects it to be fast, the comparison with the gas tank is with an ultra fast charger or one of Tesla's latest chargers, and California has lots of both. And of course most of the world's countries are far smaller than the USA with it's long distances.
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Well the only point he has is that it does take longer. Now any USA house using the 120 outlet is doomed to irritation. .. Even their washing machines let alone electric stoves use the biphase 240 V . I contribute to an Audio audiophile forum, and it seems to me that the major problem in the USA is voltage dip from their 120 v outlet. ..hence their preoccupation with magic cables, and power supply cleaners.
 
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Well the only point he has is that it does take longer. Now any USA house using the 120 outlet is doomed to irritation. .. Even their washing machines let alone electric stoves use the biphase 240 V . I contribute to an Audio audiophile forum, and it seems to me that the major problem in the USA is voltage dip from their 120 v outlet. ..hence their preoccupation with magic cables, and power supply cleaners.
The other point that is made is the stupidity of buying such a vehicle without checking out your charging options properly.
 
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Well the only point he has is that it does take longer.
A very stupidly made point showing his deliberate anti e-car bias. Clearly he's what is described as a petrol-head in the Jeremy Clarkson mould, a yesterday man.

E-cars have been an unexpected big success in the USA, especially in California, leaving Tesla now as the currently the world's largest producer of any single e-model, reinforced by them having their own network of ultra high speed charging points.

I can equally show a bias on the advantages of e-car charging:

Always leaving home with a full "tank", there's no fuel pumps in drives or our garages.

Topping up at points when elsewhere such as supermarkets etc. That's usually free, even with such as a rapid 80% charge from IKEA. That's equal to 120 miles or £15 worth of free fuel on an IC car and you get that even with the smallest of purchases such as a pack of AA batteries.

Many free charge points in street or car parks in big cities, some councils with free parking thrown in.

No smell of diesel or petrol or occasional splashback contaminating hands and shoes when filling up.

No standing in the cold and sometimes biting wind while the car's tank slowly fills.

No going to or into the garage to queue and pay, just touch the contactless card to the charger.

No messy topping up engine oil at garages.

Instead for me on my couple of charges away from home it's been plug in, stroll into Starbucks and enjoy a relaxed cup of coffee indoors with a pleasant view while the car fills up. Even where rarely there's no such facility, one can sit comfortably in the car while it tops itself up.

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Starbucks and enjoy a relaxed cup of coffee
I can believe everything else - but not that.

Their coffee is disgusting - and their tea is worse.

But we are all different - am glad for you that it is enjoyable and relax-over-able.
 

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Well the only point he has is that it does take longer. Now any USA house using the 120 outlet is doomed to irritation. .. Even their washing machines let alone electric stoves use the biphase 240 V . I contribute to an Audio audiophile forum, and it seems to me that the major problem in the USA is voltage dip from their 120 v outlet. ..hence their preoccupation with magic cables, and power supply cleaners.
And widespread use of non-electric kettles, or relatively low power if they do use electric ones.
 
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I can believe everything else - but not that.

Their coffee is disgusting - and their tea is worse.
There's far worse, the worst coffee I've ever had was at a motorway McDonalds. I left it and went without.

I'm very rarely a tea drinker.
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I can believe everything else - but not that.

Their coffee is disgusting - and their tea is worse.

But we are all different - am glad for you that it is enjoyable and relax-over-able.
You know what is a real guilty pleasure?. Their Drinking Chocolate with Cream... Anyway I am now spoiled in the coffee department. My avaricious soul will not allow me buy coffee in any of these outlets now . The Nespresso Vertuo machine at home produces better at 50 cents a mug.
 
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You know what is a real guilty pleasure?. Their Drinking Chocolate with Cream... Anyway I am now spoiled in the coffee department. My avaricious soul will not allow me buy coffee in any of these outlets now . The Nespresso Vertuo machine at home produces better at 50 cents a mug.
We have a Lavazza machine - and our tastes appreciate their coffee.

I have tried some Nespresso but, from my limited experience, prefer Lavazza. Plus, they now do compostable capsules.
 

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And widespread use of non-electric kettles, or relatively low power if they do use electric ones.
Comment from an American colleague I used to commute on the bus with in San Jose many years ago:
I can't understand how the British can be so laid back about so much, but so concerned about being able to boil water really fast.
 
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Kettles, coffee and wall paper. What has happened to this thread?
Its like going to Debenhams with wife.
Come back and argue OG.
 
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Comment from an American colleague I used to commute on the bus with in San Jose many years ago:
I can't understand how the British can be so laid back about so much, but so concerned about being able to boil water really fast.
Rather suspect that were the boiling speeds reversed, he'd have been one of the first to complain about slow boiling kettles in England. Their kettles might be quaint but they're sooooo slow!
 
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Comment from an American colleague I used to commute on the bus with in San Jose many years ago:
I can't understand how the British can be so laid back about so much, but so concerned about being able to boil water really fast.
it does of course make perfect sense. We're primates clinging to a rock falling into a void (for no obvious reason). Boiling water for tea is the only obvious thing to do.
 
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