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There is, though, a fundamental difference. Drones, as described, don't have to deal with the idiots driving round them. Of course, there will have been a few occasions where a manually controlled drone has caused issues. But as a swarm, they are all operating in ways that were in the minds of the programmers.
And that of course is the key, all to one design and no other designs around.

Cars are very different, many different designs of self drive cars and software mixing with many that rely only on unaided drivers alone. And that situation will be with us for over 30 years yet.
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Cars are very different, many different designs of self drive cars and software mixing with many that rely only on unaided drivers alone. And that situation will be with us for over 30 years yet.
we can or example, after some time for the results to come in, reserve the fast lane or slow lane for mixed use, self driving cars and ordinary cars.
 

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Another aspect is that the self drive cars largely rely on painted lane markings to keep in lane, but the only roads reliably lined are the motorways,
And in snow? I have certainly driven on motorways which were entirely white. Even rain can make them invisible to human eyes.

I guess one of the costs of allowing self-driving which relies on lane markings is better maintenance of them. An externality to the manufacturers.
 

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I've long suspected that the AZ has problems being covered up for political expediency. The "something they know" could well be that the AZ doesn't have lasting protection and an added Pfizer as a boost deals with that issue.
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I'll also add to that thought, many who have had both Pfizer vaccinations report that the second one produced significantly worse side effects.

Which makes any intention to use it a third time, as a booster, seem less likely. Thus excluding existing Pfizer recipients from the number requiring it.

Or could there actually be a change to the product?
 

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Is even the Express getting annoyed with the government?

BBC's Laura Kuenssberg silenced by Matt Hancock after 'excessive questioning'
BBC Political Editor Laura Kunessberg was brutally shut down by Health Secretary Matt Hancock after she attempted to ask the minister a question on whether Boris Johnson should resign in light of recent scandals.
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Or could there actually be a change to the product?
I think it's likely that the AZ will be modified to deal with reported issues.
 

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Of course, it is often repeated that we do not have fast and slow lanes.
I have high hopes for self driving cars.
That may be the solution to extend independence for aged citizens. Many of whom would rather choose a smaller lower maintenance urban house without garage.
 

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we can or example, after some time for the results to come in, reserve the fast lane or slow lane for mixed use, self driving cars and ordinary cars.
That'll never happen, sorting or policing it would be impossible. At best we might get to e-car lanes in about ten years time, but even that is problematic with current speed limits.

But you can forget about self driving cars here and in much of Europe, they are a hopelessly inadequate solution looking for a problem they cannot solve, and will remain so. Eventually we may have a mostly effective level 2 on most cars used on motorway trips, but most of everyone's driving will remain manual, aided by warning tones and last resort automatic braking. We already have that on many cars now.

Long before we ever get to a truly reliable level 5 in all circumstances, all private driving or being individually driven will be facing increasing restrictions that will constantly reduce it towards relative insignificance. If we are to survive on this planet we won't be able to have 9 billions or more charging around individually in vehicles, regardless of who or what is driving.
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That'll never happen, sorting or policing it would be impossible. At best we might get to e-car lanes in about ten years time, but even that is problematic with current speed limits.

But you can forget about self driving cars here and in much of Europe, they are a hopelessly inadequate solution looking for a problem they cannot solve, and will remain so. Eventually we may have a mostly effective level 2 on most cars used on motorway trips, but most of everyone's driving will remain manual, aided by warning tones and last resort automatic braking. We already have that on many cars now.

Long before we ever get to a truly reliable level 5 in all circumstances, all private driving or being individually driven will be facing increasing restrictions that will constantly reduce it towards relative insignificance. If we are to survive on this planet we won't be able to have 9 billions or more charging around individually in vehicles, regardless of who or what is driving.
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This is not a conversation to which I have contributed, but I suspect that the wrong question is being asked. Rather it should be what modifications need to be made to roads to enable the safe movement of autonomous vehicles. For my part, I never bought into driving as a pleasure. Yes being out and about and being in different places is highly pleasurable, but the going to and fro and being cramped into a fixed position for multiple hours is not. Having a travel pass has reopened the railways and tram systems to me, so the logic of spending 15 quid on fuel and 15 quid on parking and toll fees , for the dubious pleasure of getting cramped in a small box has lost appeal on a trip to Dublin. I think the French have got the idea right of using trains for 250km or less journeys instead of aircraft, and overnight sleepers for those who insist on 500km journeys with cars to the south of France.
 

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This is not a conversation to which I have contributed, but I suspect that the wrong question is being asked. Rather it should be what modifications need to be made to roads to enable the safe movement of autonomous vehicles. For my part, I never bought into driving as a pleasure. Yes being out and about and being in different places is highly pleasurable, but the going to and fro and being cramped into a fixed position for multiple hours is not. Having a travel pass has reopened the railways and tram systems to me, so the logic of spending 15 quid on fuel and 15 quid on parking and toll fees , for the dubious pleasure of getting cramped in a small box has lost appeal on a trip to Dublin. I think the French have got the idea right of using trains for 250km or less journeys instead of aircraft, and overnight sleepers for those who insist on 500km journeys with cars to the south of France.
The problem with railways is that all too often, actually getting to the station requires transport. Even assuming trains actually go where you want.

For me, it is 2.1 miles, which isn't too bad in clement weather.

But when I get there, I can go to Milford Haven or Carmarthen. It would be far more interesting were there track up north, or down towards Tenby. As it is, Aberystwyth by train takes over eight hours and costs around £80. Worse, fares are, of course, on an each basis. So for two of us that doubles. Whereas by car it would take maybe two hours (each way) and use less than fifteen litres of petrol (return).
 

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This is not a conversation to which I have contributed, but I suspect that the wrong question is being asked. Rather it should be what modifications need to be made to roads to enable the safe movement of autonomous vehicles.
We have mentioned this aspect, but it's far too costly and actually impossible in many circumstances due to all the inherent needs for flexibility. The reality is that semi-autonomy will be as far as we get, and that's not much further forward than we already are.
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We have mentioned this aspect, but it's far too costly and actually impossible in many circumstances due to all the inherent needs for flexibility. The reality is that semi-autonomy will be as far as we get, and that's not much further forward than we already are.
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I don't want to get into a long discussion on this, but I don't think you are fully aware of the low cost of data transmission ,and the size of memory chips. To put just one fact out there... My GPS system of 15 years ago had a 2 GB memory, and had nearly all the navigable roads in Western Europe. Now 500 GB chips are readily available , and they can be updated every night!. That is enough capacity to map every laneway . In addition GPS accuracy and sensitivity has improved , and with differential GPS, , good to millimetres. Virtually all of the computer processing power on a smartphone is used to drive the User interface, and it still has plenty to do all the other tasks.,so computers whose task is solely navigation will have plenty of opportunity to plot safe passage, especially if it machine to machine communicates with the streets.
 
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Hmm. News that Johnson is going to rent out his house - which is/was shared with Marina. Value is many times £100,000. Rental income would be far more than £10,000 a year. Yet not a vestige of his interest in it appears in the HoC register of members' financial interests.

Current HoC register for Johnson:
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmregmem/210426/johnson_boris.htm

Bucolic bliss
Boris and Marina bought a four-bedroom detached house near Thame, Oxfordshire, for £640,000 in 2003.
They still own it and it’s worth £1,276,000, according to property website Zoopla. [from 2019]
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7307869/BoJos-abodes-new-Prime-Minister-Boris-Johnson-property-ladder.html

Boris Johnson’s Oxfordshire cottage is up for rent
Boris Johnson is to become a landlord and will allow tenants to move in with dogs when they rent his £4,250 a month cottage near Thame, Oxfordshire, it has been reported.
https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/19228497.boris-johnsons-oxfordshire-cottage-available-rent/
 

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I don't want to get into a long discussion on this, but I don't think you are fully aware of the low cost of data transmission ,and the size of memory chips. To put just one fact out there... My GPS system of 15 years ago had a 2 GB memory, and had nearly all the navigable roads in Western Europe. Now 500 GB chips are readily available , and they can be updated every night!. That is enough capacity to map every laneway . In addition GPS accuracy and sensitivity has improved , and with differential GPS, , good to millimetres. Virtually all of the computer processing power on a smartphone is used to drive the User interface, and it still has plenty to do all the other tasks.,so computers whose task is solely navigation will have plenty of opportunity to plot safe passage, especially if it machine to machine communicates with the streets.
Cross purposes, I was speaking of implanted guidance in roads.

I agree in principle with what you've posted but think you are overestimating GPS accuracy, especially without the full access to Galileo that you enjoy but we've lost on leaving the EU.

Even if that were not so, the great majority of driving here is done where self drive simply cannot work adequately due to the congestion and forced misuse of road space due to unavoidable circumstances. Not long ago I came back from a typical urban trip where lane guidance was made impossible a number of times due to the necessity for me to drive completely on the wrong side of the road, and at times in direct opposition to quite close oncoming traffic. That is not an exception, for me that is the norm of my driving circumstances.

Reminder, 86% of us live in urban areas, only that vestigial remainder enjoying any of the sort of space that you and member Oyster enjoy.
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Cross purposes, I was speaking of implanted guidance in roads.

I agree in principle with what you've posted but think you are overestimating GPS accuracy, especially without the full access to Galileo that you enjoy but we've lost on leaving the EU.

Even if that were not so, the great majority of driving here is done where self drive simply cannot work adequately due to the congestion and forced misuse of road space due to unavoidable circumstances. Not long ago I came back from a typical urban trip where lane guidance was made impossible a number of times due to the necessity for me to drive completely on the wrong side of the road, and at times in direct opposition to quite close oncoming traffic. That is not an exception, for me that is the norm of my driving circumstances.

Reminder, 86% of us live in urban areas, only that vestigial remainder enjoying any of the sort of space that you and member Oyster enjoy.
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My estimate of GPS is not faulty. Note its the differential type not absolute. So using fixed datum points that resolution is achievable... Easily Good enough for civil engineering infrastructure. Implanted guidance would be key.. but it also is low cost. Embedding lossy line guidance cables at road tarring times . But whether it will happen is moot, but it is extremely feasible. Remember Sweden was able to convert its entire road network to LHD over a weekend. But facilitating public transport..not the Oyster experience but more the Malaga to Gibraltar Model, is the better way to go.
 

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Implanted guidance would be key.. but it also is low cost. Embedding lossy line guidance cables at road tarring times . But whether it will happen is moot,
That's the key, it won't, not in the great majority of our roads. The state of our roads infrastructure is appalling and ever worsening as the long suffering suspension of my car reminds me by the minute.

Remember Sweden was able to convert its entire road network to LHD over a weekend.
Just as back in the 1870s London physically renumbered every property in the entire city in a single weekend into the modern system that almost all the world uses since, except the Americas. But that was then, we seem to have lost that sort of "make it happen" ability since the mid 20th century.

But facilitating public transport..not the Oyster experience but more the Malaga to Gibraltar Model, is the better way to go.
Agreed.
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Having been given a smartphone I attempted to load and use that GP app and it took several attempts over days to get it loaded due largely to lack of an approval code supposedly immediately sent back to me. It in fact turned up three days after requested!

But it still left me no further ahead since I was then left with an app awaiting my GP practice to approve my access, promised with 24 hours to appear in my app. Five days later it hadn't happened so after rechecking that all permissions were favourable, I phoned them. They assured me they'd done that but repeated the approval, but still nothing received, the app indicating the approval was in process by the GP practice.

So I phoned the support line of the company who provided the app. They checked it out online and assured me that all was well and I would get the approval in a day or two. But of course that never happened, even a week later. So I emailed that support centre explaining their advice hadn't worked, but the reply to it was to repeat that it would eventually arrive. That was another week ago and it hasn't. Clearly even the apps designers haven't a clue of how to solve its many failings.
Following the above saga of trying to get a working medical practice app, despite their repeatedly approving my using it, I've after three weeks of trying received a message on the not-so-smartphone saying that they've been unable to verify I'm one of their patients so the application has been rejected.

Several things wrong with that:

First is that the surgery have vigorously denied sending it, so it must have come from a central admin of the large American medical group they now belong to.

Second is that I'm probably their longest registered patient in this largely recent housing area, having registered back in 1967 and seen the first two doctors through to their retirements and now with the third doctor.

Third is that I've been on a continuous prescription for various medications since spring 2007 with them approving them two monthly ever since.

However, it is a pointer as to why I was missed from the first Covid vaccine programme and had to chase for a belated jab, and now have been missed yet again for the second jab.

I appear to be their ghost patient, perhaps I died some while ago and they neglected to tell me!
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Remember Sweden was able to convert its entire road network to LHD over a weekend.
They didn't convert over a weekend. All the road markings had been dual white and yellow for driving on different sides of the road, etc etc etc for all the rest of the infrastructure. It took about 4 years (May 63 to September 67).

That was some time ago when there was much les traffic, and not many motorways (with asymmetric junctions).
 

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They didn't convert over a weekend. All the road markings had been dual white and yellow for driving on different sides of the road, etc etc etc for all the rest of the infrastructure. It took about 4 years (May 63 to September 67).

That was some time ago when there was much les traffic, and not many motorways (with asymmetric junctions).
And they recorded a stubborn 10% increase in road accident afterwards.

It supported my long held belief that the right side of the road is the wrong side.

It's why we have the lowest road death rate in the world, there is a reason why driving on the left is safer.
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