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Jesus H Christ

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As I said, the tale originates from Channel 4 so you can disregard it. The fairy story will be their usual garbage. Forget it.

Get vaccinated and encourage others to do the same. Stop undermining the work of over 30 million of your countrymen who have stepped up and been vaccinated. I’d have you shot for conspiring to harm the U.K if I were in charge. :D
 
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Even the Independant quotes Channel 4 as source of info, via Ferguson. He, s the one who predicted 500,000 deaths then decided to destroy his marriage in public.
All Mhra has said is that its under review, along with everything,continue administering the jab.
I suspect they may target Under 30s with J&J single dose...
Risk of death is tiny for under 30s, Italy had death rate for this age group as 0% and vaccine programme is not there yet,but my son in law at 38 just called for his first jab.
Its Ferguson keeping himself in lime light.
They won't change anything and if they do it won't affect anything. Under 30s getting J&J so they can go on holiday???
We, ve actually known all along"regulator may restrict vaccine", its their job. Its a no news story.
 

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Get vaccinated and encourage others to do the same. Stop undermining the work of over 30 million of your countrymen who have stepped up and been vaccinated. I’d have you shot for conspiring to harm the U.K if I were in charge. :D
Even for you that is idiotic
You really need to stop behaving like a child
It is not "Undermining" anything when there is a question about a course of action that may have unforeseen consequences.

Only idiots like you take a hostile and childish attitude to a cautious approach, but then only a thick person would use a phrase like this

"have you shot for conspiring to harm the U.K if I were in charge."

You should be careful what your mouth utters, it appears to be out of control
 

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Even the Independant quotes Channel 4 as source of info, via Ferguson. He, s the one who predicted 500,000 deaths then decided to destroy his marriage in public.
All Mhra has said is that its under review, along with everything,continue administering the jab.
I suspect they may target Under 30s with J&J single dose...
Risk of death is tiny for under 30s, Italy had death rate for this age group as 0% and vaccine programme is not there yet,but my son in law at 38 just called for his first jab.
Its Ferguson keeping himself in lime light.
They won't change anything and if they do it won't affect anything. Under 30s getting J&J so they can go on holiday???
We, ve actually known all along"regulator may restrict vaccine", its their job. Its a no news story.
What they are saying is recommend a different virus for the group affected, and why not?
Have you any objection to saving lives by being prudent?
 

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What they are saying is recommend a different virus for the group affected, and why not?
Have you any objection to saving lives by being prudent?
Don't think my opinion matters OG.
The priority for under 30s is not particularly saving lives but keeping infection down.
The warning from Ferguson is just noise, obviously Mhra are thinking about it but I do think this brand of media scaremongering is part of problem. If Mhra stop vaccine for under 30s,so be it but prempting decision to keep Fergusson's profile high is bad.
I, ve said all along media coverage has been appalling, this IMHO is just another example of this. Let Mhra, JCVI do their jobs. Ferguson is on neither.
I also think you latch on to slightest anti UK or Anti Govt or now anti AZ news you can find.
Vaccine roll out is still going great we should not be pushing stories that could diminish confidence in any of the vaccines.
To be fair UK population seem rather more sensible in this regard than European counterpart. Our take up rate is 95% or so. France is under 40%...
 

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As I said, the tale originates from Channel 4 so you can disregard it. The fairy story will be their usual garbage. Forget it.

Get vaccinated and encourage others to do the same. Stop undermining the work of over 30 million of your countrymen who have stepped up and been vaccinated. I’d have you shot for conspiring to harm the U.K if I were in charge. :D
Be careful of mccarthyism. It has unintended consequences. I have a colleague who cannot accept vaccination because of a rare medical condition. And she is being threatened in unpleasant ways in a health care setting where one would expect managers to know better.
 
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Jesus H Christ

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Even for you that is idiotic
You really need to stop behaving like a child
It is not "Undermining" anything when there is a question about a course of action that may have unforeseen consequences.

Only idiots like you take a hostile and childish attitude to a cautious approach, but then only a thick person would use a phrase like this

"have you shot for conspiring to harm the U.K if I were in charge."

You should be careful what your mouth utters, it appears to be out of control
Can’t do a full reply at the moment, I’m on the phone to the Home Secretary discussing your case. I might be able to talk her out of having you shot for un-British behaviour. I’ll keep you posted.
 
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With 126,000 deaths to his name, I think that is reserved for Boris Johnson.
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Rather a strange stance for you flecc. You argue Boris and Co have been over protective?? Can't see how that works..
Boris should have had more relaxed attitude to lockdown but blame him for the deaths we, ve had??
Don't supply a link to a previous explanation, it didn't make sense last time.
 
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Rather a strange stance for you flecc. You argue Boris and Co have been over protective?? Can't see how that works..
Boris should have had more relaxed attitude to lockdown but blame him for the deaths we, ve had??
Don't supply a link to a previous explanation, it didn't make sense last time.
The Death toll in the UK is the responsibility of Westminster. The guy in nominal charge was BJ . Almost everyone of the policies have been inept. It is possible that the delayed vaccine jab will turn out a lucky stroke, and the UK will get away with it... I do hope so, but if so it will be luck, born from desperation.
 

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The Death toll in the UK is the responsibility of Westminster. The guy in nominal charge was BJ . Almost everyone of the policies have been inept. It is possible that the delayed vaccine jab will turn out a lucky stroke, and the UK will get away with it... I do hope so, but if so it will be luck, born from desperation.
The delayed vaccination interval has nothing to do with our politicians, they are far too stupid to develop that strategy. The delay idea came from our world leading medical experts. They said from the outset that it would work and backed that up with sound theory. It is working, it will continue to work.

no luck involved.
 
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Zlatan

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The Death toll in the UK is the responsibility of Westminster. The guy in nominal charge was BJ . Almost everyone of the policies have been inept. It is possible that the delayed vaccine jab will turn out a lucky stroke, and the UK will get away with it... I do hope so, but if so it will be luck, born from desperation.
That might or might not be the case but it's irrelevant to the point of discussion.
Flecc holds the opinion, as seemingly you do, that the government have caused or are responsible for the death toll. Holding that opinion is fine but you can't hold that opinion and then go on to say the government have done too much, wasted too much money and been over restrictive. It's one or the other argument.
And, I, m fairly sure Flecc is more than capable of answering the question and has the mental agility to understand it, which seems lacking in some quarters.

Who do posters holding Boris /Govt responsible for our death toll blame for the 2.8 million deaths World wide??
 
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Rather a strange stance for you flecc. You argue Boris and Co have been over protective?? Can't see how that works..
Boris should have had more relaxed attitude to lockdown but blame him for the deaths we, ve had??
I doubt you'll ever get it. Danidl has explained in part, but my position is that once one chooses a policy it's best to stick with it for it's pluses and minuses. Not constantly switch tack as this government has repeatedly done.

At the outset they started relaxed with talk about herd immunity doing the trick for us, then switched straight into the opposite of a hard lockdown.

And now a year later they are doing it again, switching straight from level 4 lockdown, the most severe of all, straight to complete relaxation with almost everything open again.

That cannot be anything other than a gamble again. I hope they are lucky for all our sakes, but if they aren't we'll be in another lockdown this Autumn and Covid will never go away.

Once again, my choice is the relaxed approach and sticking to it, not wasting 400 billions in failing to save lives.
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I also think you latch on to slightest anti UK or Anti Govt or now anti AZ news you can find.
Vaccine roll out is still going great we should not be pushing stories that could diminish confidence in any of the vaccines.
Interesting idea hide facts from the public because they are too thick to make a judgement themselves eh?

Much more likely they will react with hostility to anything other than sheep like praise for whatever is the current fashion to wave their little Union Jacks about.

Why should anyone worry about public confidence being so fragile, after the Conservatives succeeded to poorly in controlling the panic, yet despite worse casualties than the Luftwaffe caused, they remain ahead in the polls, and we have one on here who will still vote for them?

Sorry but your notion is simply nonsense, and unlike some I struggle with the notion that even one human life is too big a loss if science can be brought to bear on the problem and prevent that tragedy

Stuff the idea that human lives can be considered collateral damage and the end justifies the means, especially when chances have been taken already with no scientific support behind them.

Worse our vaccines may not prove enough protection against new variants, the extended dosing interval may well have encouraged to appear.

There is an urgent critical need to investigate fully every incident that results in death, people who come out with the sort of crap JHC just did have a complacency that could undo all the effort and work committed to this battle.
Tactical short term successes are no substitute for a pragmatic strategic approach to all aspects of the problem.
 

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Flecc holds the opinion, as seemingly you do, that the government have caused or are responsible for the death toll. Holding that opinion is fine but you can't hold that opinion and then go on to say the government have done too much, wasted too much money and been over restrictive. It's one or the other argument.
No it isn't and why should it be? the facts speak for themselves
Billions wasted on PPE, billions again on a failed test and trace program, mad policies like eat out to help out, lockdowns that were discredited by Cummings, and yet protected by Johnson. Wrong advice re masks, not closing the borders,etc.etc.
No government should have survived all these disasters, ignoring the way the money has been passed to cronies in exchange for small donations.
 
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