Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Because as we keep saying the vaccine does not prevent infection(or assumed not to) and even after 2 doses if you have Co morbidity you still could die. No vaccine is perfect.
When it says 95% effective against hospitalisation it also means 5% ineffective. Those 5% are likely to be in high comobidity groups and hence could still expire.
Its same with figures from Scotland. The 80 plus year olds appear to have better response (80% fewer hospitalisation after single dose) than 65 Yr olds. (65%) But the 80 Yr olds were all vaccinated. They had only reached vulnerable groups in younger. Iv

I have you are making assumptions again I was referring to figures of Antibody retention levels, it actually refers to oGg levels on the charts
Not only that telling us to continue to shield even after both injections does not demonstrate confidence, it demonstrates they realise there is a possible problem

 

[Zlatan]

That's the view of a foreigner to them. The reality is:

The French love their country and call it La Belle France. We Brits also love it, so much that we commonly both live there and holiday there.

The French are so proud of their country that they famously buy French much of the time. It's why they now have seven wholly French owned mass production car brands against our none. We Brits long ago deserted our all-British car industry but do frequently buy the French brands.

I could bore you by listing all the other French successes, but I know that would be a waste of time so I won't.
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We found in our time there. (spent 9 years in Laroque Des Alberes, French /Spanish Border East Coast near Argeles) That locals thought themselves more Catalan/Spanish than French. Often refused to fly Tricolour and flew yellow and orange of Catalan in preference. The older generations had a deep distrust of Northern French and got on better with English/Dutch /Irish/Norwegians and saw Parisians as foreigners. And they still hated the Germans, still told stories of shaving females who they thought had colluded in 1940s.
One real old gent(now deceased, and had allotment next to ours) at 14 walked over Alberes from Spain to escape Franco. His mum was killed on journey and he lived for 2 years in internment camp on beach at Argeles. Probably nicest chap I, ve ever met. We used to take him to Port Vendres for white wine and Oyster breakfasts. He, d ask us in to his house (a massive respect in area) for fortified wine. (which he could drink like a fish with no effect). Happy days.
I was twice his size and half his age but I, d stagger down his rambling stairs which he'd negotiate like a mountain goat. After a few bottles.

 

[Danidl]

That's the view of a foreigner to them. The reality is:

The French love their country and call it La Belle France. We Brits also love it, so much that we commonly both live there and holiday there.

The French are so proud of their country that they famously buy French much of the time. It's why they now have seven wholly French owned mass production car brands against our none. We Brits long ago deserted our all-British car industry but do frequently buy the French brands.

I could bore you by listing all the other French successes, but I know that would be a waste of time so I won't.
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The French have long memories.. My wife and her brothers and sisters are fond of a particular bubbly french wine ..no not that one, but a much older ..and much cheaper version from the department of Drome ..called Clairette de Die , it is about 4 euro a bottle. It is always very well received by any family or friends we bring bottles to.
The production method dates from Pre Roman times!. And involves very low temperature fermentation in the bottle. I was buying my customary supply in Lorient, at the big supermarket, when the guy behind starts speaking very enthusiastically about it, and giving me its 2500 old history!. He comes from the town of Die.. basically near the Med., and this is their pride and joy..so Of course I listened politely, and ,then as , I do on this site, confirmed the truth.

 

[Zlatan]

I have you are making assumptions again I was referring to figures of Antibody retention levels, it actually refers to oGg levels on the charts
Not only that telling us to continue to shield even after both injections does not demonstrate confidence, it demonstrates they realise there is a possible problem

OG levels. We, ve got that covered.
T cells also offer protection. Don't leave house OG. Stay in complaining. Suits you sir.

 

[Zlatan]

The French have long memories.. My wife and her brothers and sisters are fond of a particular bubbly french wine ..no not that one, but a much older ..and much cheaper version from the department of Drome ..called Clairette de Die , it is about 4 euro a bottle. It is always very well received by any family or friends we bring bottles to.
The production method dates from Pre Roman times!. And involves very low temperature fermentation in the bottom. I was buying my customary supply in Lorient, at the big supermarket, when the guy behind starts speaking very enthusiastically about it, and giving me its 2500 old history!. He comes from the town of Die.. basically near the Med., and this is their pride and joy..so Of course I listened politely, and ,then as , I do on this site, confirmed the truth.

English monks started Champagne... So they say. Well the process. (second fermentation for bubbles and dryness)

 

[Danidl]

We found in our time there. (spent 9 years in Laroque Des Alberes, French /Spanish Border East Coast near Argeles) That locals thought themselves more Catalan/Spanish than French. Often refused to fly Tricolour and flew yellow and orange of Catalan in preference. The older generations had a deep distrust of Northern French and got on better with English/Dutch /Irish/Norwegians and saw Parisians as foreigners. And they still hated the Germans, still told stories of shaving females who they thought had colluded in 1940s.
One real old gent(now deceased, and had allotment next to ours) at 14 walked over Alberes from Spain to escape Franco. His mum was killed on journey and he lived for 2 years in internment camp on beach at Argeles. Probably nicest chap I, ve ever met. We used to take him to Port Vendres for white wine and Oyster breakfasts. He, d ask us in to his house (a massive respect in area) for fortified wine. (which he could drink like a fish with no effect). Happy days.

The situation would not be much different in Brittany. The people there see themselves as Breton, and get along with all .. except not very fond of Parisians. The Germans are still disliked.
Where we have our house was in the unoccupied zone or battle ground between the German Army and Navy at Lorient and the US Army who occupied Pontivy after D Day. The German pocket in Lorient only surrendered after the fall of Berlin. We nearly had a sticky time, when I loaned our house to my sister and her kids, and her husband, he a Polish German, and the kids born in Berlin,and the nearest neighbours, who were themselves school kids under the Boche, and in that town, and whose distain we were aware of. In the end, they got on very well, as you cannot continue a fight with grandchildren.

 

[oldgroaner]

OG levels. We, ve got that covered.
T cells also offer protection. Don't leave house OG. Stay in complaining. Suits you sir.

Suits me?
Far from it, but needs must when the devil drives

 

[Zlatan]

Suits me?
Far from it, but needs must when the devil drives

Totally agreed. Eldest daughter had a baby 4 months ago, seen him twice. Once in garden, once through window. Working in garage yesterday two grandsons walked in calm as cucumber. (4 and 7)What you doing here? We, ve escaped to come and see you. Climbed our fence and your gate getting here. Can we have a drink of coke? Gave them one, their mum fetched them. First visit in 4 months? All socially distanced. Let's hope it changes for the better soon. Good luck OG.

 

[Danidl]

English monks started Champagne... So they say. Well the process. (second fermentation for bubbles and dryness)

It appears your information is somewhat garbled.. in that it was a English Chemist, who identified the exact process, and how it could be induced. It was also the English who first popularised it and saw the bubbles not as a blemish but an addition. Part of Bling and conspicuous consumption.

 

[Zlatan]

It appears your information is somewhat garbled.. in that it was a English Chemist, who identified the exact process, and how it could be induced. It was also the English who first popularised it and saw the bubbles not as a blemish but an addition. Part of Bling and conspicuous consumption.

My info is always garbled. Thought you, d noticed by now.
Besides weren't all chemists monks in those days.
And my wife told me English monks invented(her word) champagne, so in our house English monks invented champagne.??

 

[Danidl]

My info is always garbled. Thought you, d noticed by now.
Besides weren't all chemists monks in those days.
And my wife told me English monks invented(her word) champagne, so in our house English monks invented champagne.??

I understand the SWMBO, reference, but in post reformation England there were no monks . So no it was a real live academic . The French had apparently been trying for ages to remove the bubbles , but English entrepreneurship decided to turn a flaw into a feature. .. That and improved glassmaking as a result of the industrial revolution , which stopped bottles exploding.

 

[Zlatan]

I understand the SWMBO, reference, but in post reformation England there were no monks . So no it was a real live academic . The French had apparently been trying for ages to remove the bubbles , but English entrepreneurship decided to turn a flaw into a feature. .. That and improved glassmaking as a result of the industrial revolution , which stopped bottles exploding.

‘Crazy’ English invented champagne by mistake, claims French head of Taittinger

‘Like all great mistakes, it led to a great invention'

www.independent.co.uk

Mmm. Not quite that simple.
Merret given accolade of inventing sparkling wine(scientist in charge of Royal Society at time)
But, he made no claims of having discovered the process. Says he stumbled accross winemakers in England using process and reported process 30 years before Dom Perignon.???
I can't find where or who he stumbled accross using process. Just English winemakers and fact we made stronger bottles because we had hotter coal furnaces because king wanted all the wood to build ships to invade France.Oh, that again. French.
Could have been immigrants on coast. Always had problems with French wanting Kent.

 

[Danidl]

‘Crazy’ English invented champagne by mistake, claims French head of Taittinger

‘Like all great mistakes, it led to a great invention'

www.independent.co.uk

Mmm. Not quite that simple.
Merret given accolade of inventing sparkling wine(scientist in charge of Royal Society at time)
But, he made no claims of having discovered the process. Says he stumbled accross winemakers in England using process and reported process 30 years before Dom Perignon.???
I can't find where or who he stumbled accross using process. Just English winemakers and fact we made stronger bottles because we had hotter furnaces because king wanted all the wood to build ships to invade France.Oh, that again. French.
Could have been immigrants on coast. Always had problems with French wanting Kent.

.. however the fact remains, or is at least currently undisputed that down in the South, on the tributary of the Rhone, the guys in Die were making and enjoying their concoction for at least 1000 years., bubbles and all... Probably because they used crockery carafes rather than glassware.
Now not wishing to burst your or SWMBOs bubble, but that piece in the Independent is pure marketing whizz. .. Flatter the customer, truth be damned. And if there is some truth, its even better if

 

[Zlatan]

.. however the fact remains, or is at least currently undisputed that down in the South, on the tributary of the Rhone, the guys in Die were making and enjoying their concoction for at least 1000 years., bubbles and all... Probably because they used crockery carafes rather than glassware.
Now not wishing to burst your or SWMBOs bubble, but that piece in the Independent is pure marketing whizz. .. Flatter the customer, truth be damned. And if there is some truth, its even better if

Let's ask OG. He, ll know. Don't like champagne any how.. Well actually the cheap stuff from Lidl at about 4p a bottle is great. We always bring a van load of that back.. Fizzy, white, 12%, semi sweet... what more do you want. Lot of bo!! ox talked about wine..
We once went to a pretentious wine tasting do and had to take a bottle, wrapped in silver foil. (to hide its origin, but we knew they cheated) . We put plonk they sell wild at our local (in France) into a real expensive bottle and recorked it. You know the stuff, free range, stains everything. Dark red, as you get to bottom of massive barrel it needs stirring. You take a litre milk container and they fill it with red 3 star unleaded for 45p.
The stuff won. We laughed all way home. All the fools sipping and spurting, sucking in air through it. Then saying they could taste strawberries and almond because there are almond trees in that region you know. I reckon it was the anti freeze.. Idiots.

 

[Jesus H Christ]

Let's ask OG. He, ll know. Don't like champagne any how.. Well actually the cheap stuff from Lidl at about 4p a bottle is great. We always bring a van load of that back.. Fizzy, white, 12%, semi sweet... what more do you want. Lot of bo!! ox talked about wine..
We once went to a pretentious wine tasting do and had to take a bottle, wrapped in silver foil. (to hide its origin, but we knew they cheated) . We put plonk they sell wild at our local (in France) into a real expensive bottle and recorked it. You know the stuff, free range, stains everything. Dark red, as you get to bottom of massive barrel it needs stirring. You take a litre milk container and they fill it with red 3 star unleaded for 45p.
The stuff won. We laughed all way home. All the fools sipping and spurting, sucking in air through it. Then saying they could taste strawberries and almond because there are almond trees in that region you know. I reckon it was the anti freeze.. Idiots.

I like a glass of Ribena because I can pretend it’s an expensive red wine and that makes me feel sophisticated.

 

[Zlatan]

.. however the fact remains, or is at least currently undisputed that down in the South, on the tributary of the Rhone, the guys in Die were making and enjoying their concoction for at least 1000 years., bubbles and all... Probably because they used crockery carafes rather than glassware.
Now not wishing to burst your or SWMBOs bubble, but that piece in the Independent is pure marketing whizz. .. Flatter the customer, truth be damned. And if there is some truth, its even better if

Another take on it here.

Sorry, Champagne, but cider is the original fizz

It has become a commonplace fact, beloved of pub quizzes, that an Englishman, Christopher Merret, invented Champagne. There is even an element of truth to it: Merret gave a paper to the Royal Society in 1672 outlining how to make wine fizzy. But he wasn’t the first to induce bubbles in a bottle...

www.spectator.co.uk

 

[oyster]

Encourage...

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/mar/03/dolly-parton-gets-vaccinated-with-moderna-jab-she-helped-fund

or force vaccination?

Unions attack 'sinister' plan to force NHS staff to have Covid vaccine Government reportedly considering making jab mandatory for health and care workers in England

 

[Jesus H Christ]

Encourage...

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/mar/03/dolly-parton-gets-vaccinated-with-moderna-jab-she-helped-fund

or force vaccination?

Unions attack 'sinister' plan to force NHS staff to have Covid vaccine Government reportedly considering making jab mandatory for health and care workers in England

We need enforced vaccination. We should have constables out on the streets with dart guns firing vaccine darts into people.

 

[oldgroaner]

Totally agreed. Eldest daughter had a baby 4 months ago, seen him twice. Once in garden, once through window. Working in garage yesterday two grandsons walked in calm as cucumber. (4 and 7)What you doing here? We, ve escaped to come and see you. Climbed our fence and your gate getting here. Can we have a drink of coke? Gave them one, their mum fetched them. First visit in 4 months? All socially distanced. Let's hope it changes for the better soon. Good luck OG.

You too my friend.

 

[flecc]

We need enforced vaccination. We should have constables out on the streets with dart guns firing vaccine darts into people.

They already do that, they're called tasers.

They even have side effects.
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