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This evening at 7.30 pm on ITV there's a "Tonight" program questioning the efficacy of the testing regime since so many experts are also expressing serious doubts about it.

Plus me of course in this thread !
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This evening at 7.30 pm on ITV there's a "Tonight" program questioning the efficacy of the testing regime since so many experts are also expressing serious doubts about it.

Plus me of course in this thread !
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Time was, investigative journalism (especially if done well) could have a major impact. Nowadays, I suspect it is a miracle if people entirely miss such programs because are not already on Netflix, Sky, or whatever - or almost immediately reach for the zapper.

Nonetheless, it is right that these questions are raised and aired.
 

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This evening at 7.30 pm on ITV there's a "Tonight" program questioning the efficacy of the testing regime since so many experts are also expressing serious doubts about it.

Plus me of course in this thread !
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Unfortunately, that clashes with The Joy of Painting with Bob Ross on BBC4. Plus I don’t watch ITV.



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Unfortunately, that clashes with The Joy of Painting with Bob Ross on BBC4. Plus I don’t watch ITV.



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iPlayer? :)

The Joy of Painting
Happy little trees and soothing words. Thirty minutes of bliss as art and ASMR sensation Bob Ross illustrates perfect, peaceful painting in his own gentle, genuine style.

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This evening at 7.30 pm on ITV there's a "Tonight" program questioning the efficacy of the testing regime since so many experts are also expressing serious doubts about it.

Plus me of course in this thread !
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I’ve just heard a guy on a radio phone in saying he is experiencing the same phenomenon as my Italian nephew. The chap keeps testing positive for Covid, weeks after his initial positive test. He feels fully recovered, but can’t return to his job.
 

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iPlayer? :)

The Joy of Painting
Happy little trees and soothing words. Thirty minutes of bliss as art and ASMR sensation Bob Ross illustrates perfect, peaceful painting in his own gentle, genuine style.

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Bob is the man. Can’t recommend him enough. :D:D:D:D:D:D
 
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I’ve just heard a guy on a radio phone in saying he is experiencing the same phenomenon as my Italian nephew. The chap keeps testing positive for Covid, weeks after his initial positive test. He feels fully recovered, but can’t return to his job.
Seriously, we do need a different more consistent test instead of spending many millions on current mass testing to not find out what is happening. All we are finding out at present is that lots of people who are uninfected with Covid-19 do have the virus temporarily stuck in nasal passage mucus until that is harmlessly discharged, so we are over reporting.

Just like we carry all sorts of other bugs that we are not suffering from and not likely to.
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Doing quite well in Wales:

More than 60% of the first four priority groups in Wales have received their first dose of the Covid-19 vaccination, the health minister, Vaughan Gething said.

He told Times Radio that more than 400 sites across Wales are now delivering vaccines, with the number of mass vaccination centres in the country expected to increase to 40.

He said:
That’s happened because we work so closely between the health service and local government, and with the assistance of military planners too, so it’s been a real team Wales effort.
We’ve now done over 60% of priority groups one to four, so really rapid progress now.
He added that vaccinations at all older adult care homes in Wales, apart from a “handful” that had experienced an active Covid-19 outbreak, have been completed
 

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Having to apologise is something most of us dislike doing:

Adams apologised for his behaviour, saying in a statement: "I would like to apologise unreservedly," said the winger.

"When out of camp, at the weekend, I made an error of judgement. I attended a small gathering of immediate family to celebrate a family milestone.

"It was wrong to do this. I'm aware that everyone needs to follow the rules and being in the public eye I have a responsibility to lead by example and I've fallen short on this occasion.

"I'd like to apologise to my teammates and to our supporters for my mistake."
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/josh-adams-family-gathering-him-19764548

So just follow what you have been told to do - not just generally (as in the papers, and other media) but specifically and expressly by those you effectively work for and should respect.
 
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Are they really looking for greater potency? Or potency against a wider range of mutated variations?
probably both.
It's been already established that we get better protection with vaccines compared to getting the disease.
From there the idea that a different second vaccine is preferable seems quite plausible.
Vaccine is the way to go.
 

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Having to apologise is something most of us dislike doing:

Adams apologised for his behaviour, saying in a statement: "I would like to apologise unreservedly," said the winger.

"When out of camp, at the weekend, I made an error of judgement. I attended a small gathering of immediate family to celebrate a family milestone.

"It was wrong to do this. I'm aware that everyone needs to follow the rules and being in the public eye I have a responsibility to lead by example and I've fallen short on this occasion.

"I'd like to apologise to my teammates and to our supporters for my mistake."
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/josh-adams-family-gathering-him-19764548

So just follow what you have been told to do - not just generally (as in the papers, and other media) but specifically and expressly by those you effectively work for and should respect.
I do wonder though.

It's not ok to attend a very small family gathering with normal personal space, but ok to take part in the Six Nations series and wrestle in intimate contact while breathing very heavily with many more other players in several matches.

I think it's the game's management that have the questionable standards.
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All we are finding out at present is that lots of people who are uninfected with Covid-19 do have the virus temporarily stuck in nasal passage mucus until that is harmlessly discharged, so we are over reporting.
I am not sure about harmless.
If the virus hangs about in your nasal passage then it can be released into the air and infect others.
 

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I do wonder though.

It's not ok to attend a very small family gathering with normal personal space, but ok to take part in the Six Nations series and wrestle in intimate contact while breathing very heavily with many more other players in several matches.

I think it's the game's management that have the questionable standards.
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But in the small family gathering, it is likely that none has been tested - at least, not in the hours and a few days before the gathering. Whereas "sport" is supposedly imposing a strict and frequent testing regime of everyone present.
 
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Points 1 and 2, I agree with. But point 1 would have been impossible at the time. There was a global shortage of mask, medical agencies across the globe couldn’t get them. They should have encouraged people to use a face covering much earlier. It was pretty obvious even a home made one would be better at reducing droplets than nothing at all.

Johnson has been late with every decision, waiting until he has no choice but to take it. He’s doing it right now with border control. Corbyn would have been worse, he couldn’t decide if he wanted Brexit or not. If we could wind the clock back to December 2019, I’d vote for Johnson 20 times over. We’d be looking at 250000 dead if Corby had been at the helm.
Rubbish! 25,000 more like
Johnson is the worst so called leader we have ever had
 

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Or more likely just the convenience of being able to give anything as the second dose.
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And to massage the figures of course, imagining that somehow that negates the appalling death toll they have been responsible for to a large degree, by the inability or unwillingness, to take timely and correct decisions and actions.
They are still playing the public for suckers even now
 
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I do wonder though.

It's not ok to attend a very small family gathering with normal personal space, but ok to take part in the Six Nations series and wrestle in intimate contact while breathing very heavily with many more other players in several matches.

I think it's the game's management that have the questionable standards.
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It works ok, provided the 30 man squad on each side have been held in quarantine systems for the 14 days before each match. Josh Adams broke that quarantine . Hopefully he reported or was excluded from meeting with the rest of the squad before he had the opportunity of infecting them ... . Of course if none of the family group were infected , then he couldn't pass it on anyway.
Well actually I have mixed views ..a weakened Welsh team , especially if spluttering with Covid might be the only way the Irish team will win. ( I jest! But 8 failures in Cardiff grates a bit)

On the other question on whether work or family should take priority.. well many of us are living with that problem daily. I would really have liked to comfort my sister in Wales at the funeral in a weeks time. But first it is illegal to travel, and I do have two essential workers at home
 
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There are a number of postings here today objecting to running trials on the use of mixed vaccines . On the contrary, I welcome it. This is Science. At the moment we do not know whether mixing technologies is a good, a bad, or neutral thing. So do the experiments.
 

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