Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

You are beyond help. No one is denying the death rate is appalling and could have been much better. But the vaccination programme is doing well. You are so obsessed with hating this government, you are completely incapable of balanced rational judgment.

Think yourself lucky you aren’t living in France, you’d still be waiting.

I’m waiting for you to start pushing for our vaccine supplies to be given to third world nations now that you’ve had yours and you are safe. It’s called socialism.

You still don't get it do you?
Right wing ideas seem to cripple the thinking progress beyond petty personal greed.
This Government isn't the answer to the problem of Covid-19
It is in fact the worst possible one we could have in this situation and there is simply no guarantee they will not remain the biggest obstacle to the future of us all.
Is it because you realise you are ashamed of voting for them to protect your financial situation?
You may have stopped a bullet, but damn near 90,000 didn't did they? and before you make excuses, look at New Zealand's performance.
NZ cases 2262 recovered 2152 dead 25
UK 3,430,000 not recorded dead 89,860

had we used their approach
NZ 4.917 million dead 25
UK 66.65 million 339

Not impressed at all with our performance

 

[oyster]

It’s a lot more than any other EU country and one of the best vaccination rates in the world. That’s ok in my view.

Still way behind Israel, UAE and Bahrain. Not just in achieved but also in ongoing rate. Yesterday figures below.

Most other countries doing worse - yes, that is true.


https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

 

[oyster]

not recorded

The failure to properly record recovered is poor. We should be seeing more detailed information about time from becoming ill, or being tested, to recovery and all the issues of Long Covid, second infections, etc.

I'm not even convinced that any effort is being made to collect the basic data.

 

[oyster]

I had not known anything of the Scottish connection of Parler's return:

DDoS-Guard was registered in 2017 under a limited partnership, a financial structure in Scotland that allows nonresidents to create companies with little scrutiny. Aleksei Likhachev and Evgeniy Marchenko, two Russian businessmen who registered it, remain owners of the company. The partnership under which DDoS-Guard is registered is called Cognitive Cloud and is listed at an address in Edinburgh’s Forth Street.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jan/19/parler-website-partially-returns-with-support-from-russian-owned-technology-firm

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/SL032463

 

[flecc]

It’s a lot more than any other EU country and one of the best vaccination rates in the world. That’s ok in my view.

By taking a big gamble with our lives.

Most of the jabs have been of the Pfizer vaccine which is between 52% and 57% effective for the 21 days to the second jab after which it becomes about 95% effective. But the government has cancelled that second jab at 21 days, changing it to 12 weeks and no-one, least of all Pfizer, have any idea what happens next. Will the 12 week second jab still work to give 90% or will it fail to stop the decline in effectiveness, we just don't know?

I think it would have been better if cancelling second jabs to switch to the easier administration of a single complete injection to give 90% protection to less of the population but accurately aiming it to the priority groups, rather than the present chaotic administration.

The more careful initial approach in the EU is the safer and therefore wiser way and I've no doubt that before long they'll be catching up or overtaking us.
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[oldgroaner]

The failure to properly record recovered is poor. We should be seeing more detailed information about time from becoming ill, or being tested, to recovery and all the issues of Long Covid, second infections, etc.

I'm not even convinced that any effort is being made to collect the basic data.

After all that would be opening Pandora's box just when they are crowing about their vaccination success rates

 

[Jesus H Christ]

You still don't get it do you?
Right wing ideas seem to cripple the thinking progress beyond petty personal greed.
This Government isn't the answer to the problem of Covid-19
It is in fact the worst possible one we could have in this situation and there is simply no guarantee they will not remain the biggest obstacle to the future of us all.
Is it because you realise you are ashamed of voting for them to protect your financial situation?
You may have stopped a bullet, but damn near 90,000 didn't did they? and before you make excuses, look at New Zealand's performance.
NZ cases 2262 recovered 2152 dead 25
UK 3,430,000 not recorded dead 89,860

had we used their approach
NZ 4.917 million dead 25
UK 66.65 million 339

Not impressed at all with our performance

Contrast Germany with New Zealand or France or Italy with New Zealand. They all do worse. That’s because New Zealand only has two people and four sheep living on it.

I agree, our government has done very badly in terms of handling the pandemic. Over the last seven days, we have the highest death rate in the world. But, they are doing ok with the vaccination process.

If you think the vaccination programme is so bad, you should have put your money were your gob is and turned it down in protest. You are stuck in a perpetual loop of take & complain, over and over again.

 

[oldgroaner]

Well now
COVID-19: Health Secretary Matt Hancock self-isolating after being 'pinged' by NHS app
The cabinet minister has been in close contact with somebody who tested positive and will be working from home until Sunday.

Unique in being pinged by the app just as we achieve biggest death rate in the world?

Hmmm

 

[sjpt]

Another error has crept into the Woosh web site. https://wooshbikes.co.uk/?cdkit#tsdz2
All prices include shipping to UK addresses. Shipping surcharge to other EU countries: £15.

A very minor error, but sadly we can no longer say 'other EU countries'.

 

[Nev]

Yet, they only managed less than 10% while claiming to have 21 million doses.

I don't think they have 21 million doses sat in freezers waiting to go, I think they have promises from the manufacturers that add up to 21 million doses which will be delivered over the next few weeks (fingers crossed).

Mark Drakeford the Welsh First Minister let the cat out of the bag yesterday in a Radio 4 interview. He was asked by the interviewer if they had a stock of the Pfizer vaccine. He replied they had but they had been told by Pfizer they will not be getting any more for some time.

He went on to say that if they released it all now, then within a few days they would have vaccination centers hanging around twiddling their thumbs with nothing to do. Ministers from the Welsh Government have since walked back a bit from those comments and are now coming up with other reasons why they are not using much of the Pfizer stock.

As some of you will know I have several family members working for the NHS this is what some of them have heard on the grape vine (this is not the official line).

They have heard that the Welsh Government is worried that with no guarantee as to when they are likely to get fresh supplies of the Pfizer vaccine they are worried that unless they keep a substantial reserve behind. The 3 month time limit for the second jab will have expired, and there is no approval at present to use the AZ vaccine for the second jab if the first vaccine was the Pfizer one.

Note the vast majority of front line NHS staff in Wales were vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine, some of them now are already 4 or 5 weeks in to the 3 month time limit. I don't have any inside info on the NHS in the rest of the UK but I imagine the situation would be exactly the same.

The difficulty all governments have all around the world is the supply of the vaccine, all countries want it but the manufacturers only have a limited capacity to supply all this demand.

I am pleased that this Government have not messed up the vaccination programme as they have messed up virtually everything else they have been dealing with. If you look at some other Countries not too far away such as France then its possible to see how a Government can really get its vaccination plans totally wrong.

 

[Zlatan]

These are the deaths per 1 million population according to Worldometer.

1) San Marino 1913
2)Belgium 1767
3)Czechia 1366
4) Italy 1367
5)Bulgaria 1350
6)UK 1320
7) USA 1230

Its utterly ridiculous to compare our situation with that of NZ. Or perhaps we should do so with regards a British Isle with similar population density and isolation.
The Isle of Man has recorded 25 deaths in total. (Population circa 100k)

Geographical position,isolation potential and population density appear to play just as much a part as political / logistic decisions.
Look at San Marino and Belgium.
I, m not for a moment saying our govt have handled this well. The fact is from the beginning this has been a test of the population being sensible and following rules. Apparently, according to flecc and Daniel, we are only now following lockdown rules?? Perhaps rather than pointing out this govt's failings we should all have been telling every body to follow the rules.
And, yes I agree with Flecc, he has got a point if he hasn't been vaccinated, but moaning after you, ve had one, demanding a right to have second when it seems many are in flecc's situation is rather much. (and worse but I ain't going there again)
There needs to be a thorough investigation with no political bias in years to come not to have a go at this government but to work out exactly what the next government does correctly.
This issue should be beyond party politics, some on here find it impossible to make it so. I wanted to follow instructions not because I believe in Tories (far from it) but because in a crisis the best way out is to follow procedures, and not berate, discredit and attack them like some have done continually.
The entire UK system regarding vaccination warrants applaud and praise. Not derision and criticism. Especially so if you,, ve already had a vaccine.
Let's face it Vaccination programme must be going well, even BBC, The Guardian and Jeremy Vine say so.
PS. Good post Nev.
I, d read somewhere they were planning on mixing and matching vaccines. (ie run out of Biontech you get AZ for 2nd) I, m not qualified to comment but no doubt some expert pedelecers, toilet engineers and the Irish chap will know whether this is safe.

 

[oldgroaner]

Contrast Germany with New Zealand or France or Italy with New Zealand. They all do worse. That’s because New Zealand only has two people and four sheep living on it.

I agree, our government has done very badly in terms of handling the pandemic. Over the last seven days, we have the highest death rate in the world. But, they are doing ok with the vaccination process.

If you think the vaccination programme is so bad, you should have put your money were your gob is and turned it down in protest. You are stuck in a perpetual loop of take & complain, over and over again.

And you are as bad as Zlatan facts don't penetrate either of your thick skulls
Why should I protest and turn down the jab? because your twisted moral view
is that I should? Am I to take it that it was OK to vote for a regime that has killed many thousands through criminal negligence and greed, because you thought it would benefit your financial situation, and that makes you someone who's morals I should emulate?
Come off it, you are an accomplice to this farce, not a victim, you voted for it, now own it

 

[vfr400]

Have you tried speaking to your doctor (or hospital relatives) about your many problems...

While black and Asian staff represent only 21% of the NHS workforce, early analysis showed that they accounted for 63% of deaths among health and social care workers, the authors said.

Social impacts from Covid pandemic on different ethnic groups in UK | ITV News

Data from the ONS reveals most ethnic groups have suffered in society in the past year - whether that is financially or mentally. | ITV National News

www.itv.com

You're not helping. Rather than rant about it, you need to denounce your white privelige to get that racism out of your body otherwise you might become a super-spreader.

Yes, I have tried speaking to the doctor. I just got a call yesterday cancelling the appointment that I've waited 4 years for.

 

[oldgroaner]

These are the deaths per 1 million population according to Worldometer.

1) San Marino 1913
2)Belgium 1767
3)Czechia 1366
4) Italy 1367
5)Bulgaria 1350
6)UK 1320
7) USA 1230

Its utterly ridiculous to compare our situation with that of NZ. Or perhaps we should do so with regards a British Isle with similar population density and isolation.
The Isle of Man has recorded 25 deaths in total. (Population circa 100k)

Geographical position,isolation potential and population density appear to play just as much a part as political / logistic decisions.
Look at San Marino and Belgium.
I, m not for a moment saying our govt have handled this well. The fact is from the beginning this has been a test of the population being sensible and following rules. Apparently, according to flecc and Daniel, we are only now following lockdown rules?? Perhaps rather than pointing out this govt's failings we should all have been telling every body to follow the rules.
And, yes I agree with Flecc, he has got a point if he hasn't been vaccinated, but moaning after you, ve had one, demanding a right to have second when it seems many are in flecc's situation is rather much. (and worse but I ain't going there again)
There needs to be a thorough investigation with no political bias in years to come not to have a go at this government but to work out exactly what the next government does correctly.
This issue should be beyond party politics, some on here find it impossible to make it so. I wanted to follow instructions not because I believe in Tories (far from it) but because in a crisis the best way out is to follow procedures, and not berate, discredit and attack them like some have done continually.
The entire UK system regarding vaccination warrants applaud and praise. Not derision and criticism. Especially so if you,, ve already had a vaccine.
Let's face it Vaccination programme must be going well, even BBC, The Guardian and Jeremy Vine say so.
PS. Good post Nev.
I, d read somewhere they were planning on mixing and matching vaccines. (ie run out of Biontech you get AZ for 2nd) I, m not qualified to comment but no doubt some expert pedelecers, toilet engineers and the Irish chap will know whether this is safe.

Well done for making stupid comment of the day
"I, d read somewhere they were planning on mixing and matching vaccines. (ie run out of Biontech you get AZ for 2nd) I, m not qualified to comment but no doubt some expert pedelecers, toilet engineers and the Irish chap will know whether this is safe."
Your brain seems to have gone things completely reversed
" pedelecers, toilet engineers and the Irish chap will know this is the height of folly" but you are stupid enough to fall for such thinking because it is convenient , and somebody as a result of government pressure is induced to make it seem like a "Scientific" approach, it simply isn't.

 

[Zlatan]

Well done for making stupid comment of the day
"I, d read somewhere they were planning on mixing and matching vaccines. (ie run out of Biontech you get AZ for 2nd) I, m not qualified to comment but no doubt some expert pedelecers, toilet engineers and the Irish chap will know whether this is safe."
Your brain seems to have gone things completely reversed
" pedelecers, toilet engineers and the Irish chap will know this is the height of folly" but you are stupid enough to fall for such thinking because it is convenient , and somebody as a result of government pressure is induced to make it seem like a "Scientific" approach, it simply isn't.

Yep, thought you, d know.
Hypocrite.
You are losing it OG. Must be the vaccine.
My stupid comment was I don't know whether it's either the case or safe if it is.
How on earth is that stupid?

 

[oldgroaner]

I don't think they have 21 million doses sat in freezers waiting to go, I think they have promises from the manufacturers that add up to 21 million doses which will be delivered over the next few weeks (fingers crossed).

Mark Drakeford the Welsh First Minister let the cat out of the bag yesterday in a Radio 4 interview. He was asked by the interviewer if they had a stock of the Pfizer vaccine. He replied they had but they had been told by Pfizer they will not be getting any more for some time.

He went on to say that if they released it all now, then within a few days they would have vaccination centers hanging around twiddling their thumbs with nothing to do. Ministers from the Welsh Government have since walked back a bit from those comments and are now coming up with other reasons why they are not using much of the Pfizer stock.

As some of you will know I have several family members working for the NHS this is what some of them have heard on the grape vine (this is not the official line).

They have heard that the Welsh Government is worried that with no guarantee as to when they are likely to get fresh supplies of the Pfizer vaccine they are worried that unless they keep a substantial reserve behind. The 3 month time limit for the second jab will have expired, and there is no approval at present to use the AZ vaccine for the second jab if the first vaccine was the Pfizer one.

Note the vast majority of front line NHS staff in Wales were vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine, some of them now are already 4 or 5 weeks in to the 3 month time limit. I don't have any inside info on the NHS in the rest of the UK but I imagine the situation would be exactly the same.

The difficulty all governments have all around the world is the supply of the vaccine, all countries want it but the manufacturers only have a limited capacity to supply all this demand.

I am pleased that this Government have not messed up the vaccination programme as they have messed up virtually everything else they have been dealing with. If you look at some other Countries not too far away such as France then its possible to see how a Government can really get its vaccination plans totally wrong.

So once again the government lied about how many doses they had
And of course Pfizer are cleared of all liability leaving us at their tender mercy

 

[oyster]

The Isle of Man has recorded 25 deaths in total. (Population circa 100k)

The Isle of Wight has had 88 deaths out of 141,606.

https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/19019623.covid-deaths-january-toll-climbs-isle-wight/

No - not as isolated. But many have asked why not more isolated.

 

[oldgroaner]

Yep, thought you, d know.
Hypocrite.

Are you incapable of rational thought?
You still fail completely to understand my posts, don't you?

 

[oyster]

So once again the government lied about how many doses they had
And of course Pfizer are cleared of all liability leaving us at their tender mercy

And it has been suggested that there might be mileage in having a Sputnik vaccine in combo with (I think I read) Oxford-AstraZenica. It was suggested there could even be advantages in using some combinations of two different vaccines. However, I do not know of any completed research on this.

 

[Danidl]

Constrain yourself to the vaccination programme. We know the government have made a bad job of virtually everything else, we all agree on that.

In terms of vaccination, you are now many times less likely to die from coronavirus. You are very unlikely to put pressure on the NHS due to requiring hospital treatment because of Coronavirus. That means people with cancer and other ailments will get the treatment they need more quickly.

The plan to fight Coronavirus long term is vaccination. It will never go away in our lifetime. The world has changed and we will live with Coronavirus through a regime of vaccination and vigilance.

So to summarise, just a few days into the largest vaccination programme this country has ever undertaken, you have been vaccinated. The indication is that you will not be killed by coronavirus. You are extremely unlikely to need hospitalisation for coronavirus treatment. Your future safety from coronavirus will be delivered via a free vaccination programme and you taking responsibility for yourself through vigilance. I know you want a government that will wipe your backside for you, but that’s not going to happen. It’s a two way street, the government provides the tools, we choose to use them or **** them away.

We have done badly with deaths and the economy, but in terms of vaccination, we are doing alright. Accept it.

This response is a qualified maybe.
The decision of the UK Government to bypass the full EMA protocol was gutsy. It comes with a potential price tag of removing liability from the companies and loading it on the taxpayer ..That is a calculated financial gamble, and looks like working out . So full marks there It meant the process started a month earlier.
The decision / proposal to bypass the expert advice from the manufacturers and to basically dilute the drug two fold is not clever or courageous it is reckless ( that is the mildest word to use). The closest analogy I can think of is those mothers in third world countries who dilute the powdered milk to make it go further. This is not a CALCULATED gamble, it is a wild bet.
Unless a person has received the 2 doses and at the recommended interval they are not Vaccinated, so the congratulations are premature. By that simple logic, and since Europe only commenced at end of December, there are very very few people vaccinated in Europe, if any, and at leat some in the UK.