Brexit, for once some facts.

flecc

Member
Oct 25, 2006
53,161
30,578
And of course since with the named he had assigned himself ,it is literally Gospel.
He's probably too late to the game for that, Jesus's are ten a penny these days, especially in the Premier league which often has loads of them. For example current Manchester City* player Brazilian Gabriel Fernando de Jesus and past Manchester City* player Spaniard Jesús Navas González.

*N.B. Other teams are available in the Premier League.
.
 

flecc

Member
Oct 25, 2006
53,161
30,578
Long story short, opinions are based on evidence and personal experience, whereas beliefs are based on faith and reputation.
Not so. I firmly believed Brexit was a mistake and am on record in this thread as repeatedly saying that was based on the evidence of our prior industrial and commercial record of failure up to our joining the EU.
.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: oyster

Jesus H Christ

Esteemed Pedelecer
Dec 31, 2020
1,363
2,206
Not so. I firmly believed Brexit was a mistake and am on record in this thread as repeatedly saying that was based on the evidence of our prior industrial and commercial record of failure up to our joining the EU.
.
That’s correct. You had a belief that Brexit would fail. Brexit had not happened, so you had no evidence upon which to state that it was your opinion. Therefore what I said holds true.

The difference between the two words is very narrow, not at all like the leprechaun is making it out to be.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Zlatan

oyster

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 7, 2017
10,422
14,609
West West Wales
That clearly isn't true. Someone's opinion on buying a player can be worth tens of millions for the selling club and hundreds of thousands a week for the player! :)

And even higher ticket prices for the fans. :(
.
But you did snip off "in my opinion." from my reply! :)
 
  • Agree
Reactions: flecc

Danidl

Esteemed Pedelecer
Sep 29, 2016
8,611
12,256
73
Ireland
That’s correct. You had a belief that Brexit would fail. Brexit had not happened, so you had no evidence upon which to state that it was your opinion. Therefore what I said holds true.

The difference between the two words is very narrow, not at all like the leprechaun is making it out to be.
Had you said "it is my understanding" that a single dose is fine . I would not have corrected you. But as you claimed belief ,it shows you would not be persuaded by evidence. Nope ! unfortunately belief is a core value,and not subject to rational argument. Indeed carrying your analogy further you have listened and believed the Prophets of the Orthodox Government, and not the learned opinions of the guys doing the research.
 
  • :D
Reactions: POLLY

flecc

Member
Oct 25, 2006
53,161
30,578
That’s correct. You had a belief that Brexit would fail. Brexit had not happened, so you had no evidence upon which to state that it was your opinion. Therefore what I said holds true.
Not so again, I stated the evidence of the prior failure which equally applied to Brexit, since Brexit success was wholly predicated on the success of the constituents of our proven failure.

Already that has come true in several ways.
.
 

oyster

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 7, 2017
10,422
14,609
West West Wales
A belief is not an opinion.
I don't know why you think I said otherwise.

Simply put, I said: Do not have belief in it (as in a gospel) because it is just an opinion.

Rather than saying a belief is an opinion, I was referring to your (potential) belief in JHC's opinion.
 

Jesus H Christ

Esteemed Pedelecer
Dec 31, 2020
1,363
2,206
Had you said "it is my understanding" that a single dose is fine . I would not have corrected you. But as you claimed belief ,it shows you would not be persuaded by evidence. Nope ! unfortunately belief is a core value,and not subject to rational argument. Indeed carrying your analogy further you have listened and believed the Prophets of the Orthodox Government, and not the learned opinions of the guys doing the research.
You have not corrected me, you have taken a true statement and tried to corrupt it with your baseless nonsense. You are in fact a silly man lacking the capacity to grasp the fundamental principles of language.

Keep out of the grownups conversations, sit under your toadstool and wait for the nurse to come along and vaccinate you.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Zlatan

Jesus H Christ

Esteemed Pedelecer
Dec 31, 2020
1,363
2,206
I don't know why you think I said otherwise.

Simply put, I said: Do not have belief in it (as in a gospel) because it is just an opinion.

Rather than saying a belief is an opinion, I was referring to your (potential) belief in JHC's opinion.
Because he literally reads, writes, interprets and states everything incorrectly. He must be doing it on purpose. No one could be so naturally stupid. It simply isn’t possible.
 
  • :D
Reactions: Zlatan

Zlatan

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 26, 2016
8,086
4,290

Jesus H Christ

Esteemed Pedelecer
Dec 31, 2020
1,363
2,206
He's probably too late to the game for that, Jesus's are ten a penny these days, especially in the Premier league which often has loads of them. For example current Manchester City* player Brazilian Gabriel Fernando de Jesus and past Manchester City* player Spaniard Jesús Navas González.

*N.B. Other teams are available in the Premier League.
.
You wait 2000 years for Jesus to come along and then several turn up at once. Typical.
 
  • :D
Reactions: flecc

oyster

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 7, 2017
10,422
14,609
West West Wales

Zlatan

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 26, 2016
8,086
4,290
The vaccine roll out is by no means consistent accross the country.
Yorkshire has managed to reach 45% of 80 + Yr old whereas London 29%...
Also means delaying rollout for 70 + Yr olds in Londo whereas North and NE are starting that group now. Not seen any explanation.
Sheffield was also without a mass vaccination centre, opening one very soon in one of the Don Valley stadiums.
 

Zlatan

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 26, 2016
8,086
4,290
Will Covid-19 be mentioned on the death certificates of those who die? Or contribute to the "died with 28 days of a positive test" figures? Or even in the reason for being (re-)admitted figures?
I, d guess it depends whether they still test positive. They will still be testing them??
I wondered if those death figures are automatically included in daily figures or are they on top of??? Doesn't actually make it clear..
Got a friend who manages a large care home. All staff (circa 60) were vaccinated 4 weeks ago. Last week 5 tested positive but had only very mild symptoms. 15 of residents were deemed too frail for vaccine out of which 5 have now tested positive.... But again only with mild symptoms. No hospitalizations in any of them(staff or residents) ?? Its a very strange disease. I wonder what effect vaccine had on all this????
I, d guess it's hard to determine..??
 

oldgroaner

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 15, 2015
23,461
32,613
80
I, d guess it depends whether they still test positive. They will still be testing them??
I wondered if those death figures are automatically included in daily figures or are they on top of??? Doesn't actually make it clear..
Got a friend who manages a large care home. All staff (circa 60) were vaccinated 4 weeks ago. Last week 5 tested positive but had only very mild symptoms. 15 of residents were deemed too frail for vaccine out of which 5 have now tested positive.... But again only with mild symptoms. No hospitalizations in any of them(staff or residents) ?? Its a very strange disease. I wonder what effect vaccine had on all this????
I guess it will be a very long time before we find out especially abroad in third world countries.
We just have to hope that when these unfortunate people recover from the mild symptoms it has not made them less resistant to it in future.
 

oyster

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 7, 2017
10,422
14,609
West West Wales
I, d guess it depends whether they still test positive. They will still be testing them??
I wondered if those death figures are automatically included in daily figures or are they on top of??? Doesn't actually make it clear..
Got a friend who manages a large care home. All staff (circa 60) were vaccinated 4 weeks ago. Last week 5 tested positive but had only very mild symptoms. 15 of residents were deemed to frail for vaccine out of which 5 have now tested positive.... But again only with mild symptoms. No hospitalizations in any of them(staff or residents) ?? Its a very strange disease. I wonder what effect vaccine had on all this????
At one point, they were definitely not testing after death. And I simply do not know if they are, whether post mortem testing is reliable, etc.

Yes - very different to most other diseases. But even then, I think many of us have nice, neat medical textbook understanding of an awful lot of diseases. Even some common, well-known diseases have the potential for causing all sorts of oddities in some people.

My step father had what appeared to be a fairly ordinary case of bronchitis back around the 1970s. He recovered and lived many more years - apparently reasonably well. But he had lost his sense of smell and it never returned.

And when bat corona fades, we can look forward to goat pneumonia:

Risk of pneumonia among residents living near goat and poultry farms during 2014-2016
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31609989/

Also reported in several newspapers, etc.
 

Advertisers