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Here's something interesting I keep reading of, local council authorities are paying businesses who own drones to fly over hot spots in their towns to seek out group gatherings flaunting covid rules.
They [councils] say it's to monitor the situation and help with advice, it could also be used to trigger a phone call to the local plod and get them to act quick.
Good or bad.....?
 

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Here's something interesting I keep reading of, local council authorities are paying businesses who own drones to fly over hot spots in their towns to seek out group gatherings flaunting covid rules.
They [councils] say it's to monitor the situation and help with advice, it could also be used to trigger a phone call to the local plod and get them to act quick.
Good or bad.....?
Fair enough...,??
 
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Sorry OG, I thought you were agreeing with there being a "Global Reset"..
You ain't. My mistake..
As for policing Internet?
I, m not sure who could do it or how.
Since printing press we, ve managed to catagorise books... Fiction or fact.. Seems now anybody can display what is seen as encyclopedic knowledge on a website, blog or forum and be believed.
I, m not saying this to bring up past arguments but in France it's estimated only 45% actually want to take up covid vaccine... Our own uptake, or faith in, of vaccines is at record low basically because of a few so called informed folk campaigning on Internet. All the arguments about problems with MMR have been proven not the case. (links to autism) Yet, because some stupid, ill informed doctor convinces a few high profile celebrities (now called influencers?) we have less faith and uptake than ever in history. (Robert De Niro was extolling advantage of not having vaccines, yep brilliant in Godfather 2 but come on... WTF does he know about virology)
World has gone mad, if control of some kind isn't taken of Twitter, YouTube, Facebook etc etc it's only going to get worse.
Look at VFR on here. Other site I often go on has had to close.. Was becoming a breeding ground for this extreme kind of conspiracy theory. It doesn't make much difference who shot JFK now but kids catching measles before they can have vaccine because we are loosing herd immunity, through idiots believing BS so refuse shot for their own (older) kids is literally deadly.
The problem is that national governments use these social networks to commit some of the worse distortions and lies.
 
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The problem is that national governments use these social networks to commit some of the worse distortions and lies.
Agreed. Trump is a product of Twitter.
Don't think our government actively supports anti vaxers and covid deniers. Youtube/Facebook etc etc certainly do by offering a free for all platform. (rule free if not cost)
We don't give anti vaxers TV/radio time but you tube is full of it.
 
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Agreed. Trump is a product of Twitter.
Don't think our government actively supports anti vaxers and covid deniers. Youtube/Facebook etc etc certainly do by offering a free for all platform. (rule free if not cost)
We don't give anti vaxers TV/radio time but you tube is full of it.
Just posted a video where the Government first slated face masks before doing a "U" turn
 

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Ford has raised the UK list prices of some of its models, blaming post-Brexit 'rules of origin' tariffs. @Autocar reports that the Fiesta ST Edition went up by £1,695 between Dec and Jan, with Puma ST getting £1,920 more expensive.
 
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We don't give anti vaxers TV/radio time but you tube is full of it.
And full of people claiming that they cannot even discuss negative issues of vaccination - while surrounded by thousands doing just that.

Specifically with respect to the Covid-19 vaccinations, there is still a lack of clearly stated information. For example, if someone has an autoimmune thyroid issue, is that a contraindication to the vaccine?

You might be able to go round lots of sites and papers and gather your interpretation. But the words used on the NHS and other "official" sites leave too much unclear, unexplained. Many people just want to look down a list, see the disorder(s) they recognise, and see the specific advice (in not more than a handful of words). And I would love to be able to point people at such advice.
 

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Here's something interesting I keep reading of, local council authorities are paying businesses who own drones to fly over hot spots in their towns to seek out group gatherings flaunting covid rules.
They [councils] say it's to monitor the situation and help with advice, it could also be used to trigger a phone call to the local plod and get them to act quick.
Good or bad.....?
Needing to consider doing that means you have already lost their minds. (If they had any in the first place.)

A while back I mentioned someone I knew who had every intention of going on holiday in Wales - despite it being illegal. Changed mind about that, cancelled, and planned to go elsewhere in England. Don't know if they did or not. Now their location is (or was transiently) the highest infection rate in England. And they kept going on about the police, in Wales and England, never doing anything about it.

I sincerely hope they got caught and fined.
 

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An interesting take on voting: We get our President or we die.


FBI warned of 'war' at the Capitol a day before riot - report

An FBI office in Virginia reportedly issued an internal warning a day before the violent riot at the Capitol that extremists were preparing to travel to Washington and commit “war”.
The Washington Post reports:
A situational information report approved for release the day before the U.S. Capitol riot painted a dire portrait of dangerous plans, including individuals sharing a map of the complex’s tunnels, and possible rally points for would-be conspirators to meet up in Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts and South Carolina and head in groups to Washington.
‘As of 5 January 2021, FBI Norfolk received information indicating calls for violence in response to ‘unlawful lockdowns’ to begin on 6 January 2021 in Washington. D.C.,’ the document says. ‘An online thread discussed specific calls for violence to include stating ‘Be ready to fight. Congress needs to hear glass breaking, doors being kicked in, and blood from their BLM and Pantifa slave soldiers being spilled. Get violent. Stop calling this a march, or rally, or a protest. Go there ready for war. We get our President or we die. NOTHING else will achieve this goal.’
The report undercuts claims from Steven D’Antuono, the assistant director who leads the FBI’s Washington field office, that “there was no indication” of any violence planned for the day of the pro-Trump rally, which ended with the riot at the Capitol.
 

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Another Brexit Bonus?

Ford has raised the UK list prices of some of its models, blaming post-Brexit 'rules of origin' tariffs. @Autocar reports that the Fiesta ST Edition went up by £1,695 between Dec and Jan, with Puma ST getting £1,920 more expensive.
That’s perfectly fine with me. If they don’t want to sell any cars, that’s their choice.
 
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An interesting take on voting: We get our President or we die.


FBI warned of 'war' at the Capitol a day before riot - report

An FBI office in Virginia reportedly issued an internal warning a day before the violent riot at the Capitol that extremists were preparing to travel to Washington and commit “war”.
The Washington Post reports:



The report undercuts claims from Steven D’Antuono, the assistant director who leads the FBI’s Washington field office, that “there was no indication” of any violence planned for the day of the pro-Trump rally, which ended with the riot at the Capitol.
With respect, both statements can be true. And that goes to the heart of the conspiracy. All it required was someone to deliberately sit on the message, until it was useless.
 
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Doesn't seem France will be sorting their vaccine roll out problems any time soon..
Their own representative saying they are showing World a perfect example of what not to do.???
Why is it our governments can get it so wrong.. Don't they all have a duty of care. If this sort of thing happened in factories people would be going to jail.. Here and in France... Its appalling.

For example
In France every person considering covid vaccination must consult a doctor before hand, have all dangers, process explained and then both sign consent. That process even worse for care home residents unable to chose for themselves. Relatives must do process on their behalf...!!!
 
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With respect, both statements can be true. And that goes to the heart of the conspiracy. All it required was someone to deliberately sit on the message, until it was useless.
I don't see that at all. The statement “there was no indication” is not one of awareness or knowledge. It implies that he believes he is competent, he checked as thoroughly as he was able and he did not find any indication to the point at which he was certain that such evidence does not exist.

If he did not find an internal warning, that suggests many possibilities including his incompetence at finding it, or his continuing belief it does not exist. And many others.
 
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Doesn't seem France will be sorting their vaccine roll out problems any time soon..
Their own representative saying they are showing World a perfect example of what not to do.???
Why is it our governments can get it so wrong.. Don't they all have a duty of care. If this sort of thing happened in factories people would be going to jail.. Here and in France... Its appalling.

For example
In France every person considering covid vaccination must consult a doctor before hand, have all dangers, process explained and then both sign consent. That process even worse for care home residents unable to chose for themselves. Relatives must do process on their behalf...!!!
With the ammount of misfo flowing about they're likely having to cover their backs and behaving ethically and above board. - also if folk with weakened immune systems due to other illnesses or medication, would need screening . Not quite black & white but a graded scale of risk/benefit attached with the vaccine.


Even when I worked in a hospital consent needs to be granted from a patient touch and cuff a patient to take their blood pressure, and you can't administer a medication without consent either - its not like a pet where you put their pill in their food to fool em.

And next of of kin wishes fall back where consent can't be given is quite normal.
 
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