Brexit, for once some facts.

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Yes, but Trump has his own Youtube channel too plus news media, the same as Biden, so why does he get so many more views?
Trump's supporters are happy to waste time watching an idiot on Youtube. Biden's supporters have got much better things to do (even better than watching Biden).
 

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Trump's supporters are happy to waste time watching an idiot on Youtube. Biden's supporters have got much better things to do (even better than watching Biden).
Trump supporters have to watch repeatedly. I have great sympathy. Actually understanding what he utters can take a lot of covfefe.
 
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Because there's many more thick people.
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Which is all the result of McDonald's products.

They sell vast quantities of, for example, McDonald’s Chocolate Shake. These are thick shakes. But no-one gets that is not a description of their viscosity but the impact they have on the brains of those who consume them. :)

That, and Trump's reaction to McCain chips...
 
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It is one thing if a newspaper wants to continue to publish the unsubstantiated claims of a conspiracy theorist. It is quite another that a distinguished award for journalism should continue to encourage such behaviour."
That's not how it works in this declining and increasingly desperate industry though. In truth the distinguished award is for selling more newspapers, in which she no doubt succeeded.
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More on that horrible woman - from Douglas Murray writing in the spectator:

"A small but significant event has just occurred. This morning the legal case between Arron Banks and the journalist Carole Cadwalladr was due to start. The case came about because of Cadwalladr’s claim that Arron Banks – who was a founder of the Leave.EU campaign (the non-official Leave campaign) – was offered money by the Russians. Cadwalladr has been going around for years making these and other unfounded accusations in every forum and on every platform she can manage. It is not as though her campaign has been obscure. The Observer newspaper has supported her, and as her entirely unsubstantiated claims grew, she was shamefully awarded the Orwell Prize for journalism.

Although she claimed to see Russian agents everywhere it was finally Banks who decided to sue Cadwalladr. She crowdfunded – posing as the underdog truth-teller against the big rich Russian agent – and then last night (having rinsed her supporters for cash till the last minute) she pulled out of the hearing. As Guido reports here she conceded that she had no evidence and could not go ahead with the case. She is now reportedly forced to pay a first down-payment of £62,000 in costs, with more to come.

Perhaps it is necessary to say at this point that I have never met either Banks or Cadwalladr and have no special love for either of them. But what has just happened is something that should cause a certain ripple of consequences.

Firstly, it should be noted that the campaign of defamation which Cadwalladr has engaged in over recent years has been poisonous. I have read many of her unsourced, unsubstantiated claims with amazement that they were ever published. For years she has pumped these claims about Russian agents and Russian money throughout our body politic. In the process she has not only attacked individuals, but every member of the British public who voted for Brexit in 2016.

Cadwalladr and her financial backers have for years pretended that the British public were misled into voting for Brexit. Instead of listening to the genuine concerns of their fellow citizens they engaged in a smear-campaign against us. They pretended there were not serious reasons to vote the way we did, but only vacuous, stupid people, led down the wrong road by agents of a foreign power. It was an outrageous claim, outrageously encouraged and tolerated by Cadwalladr’s colleagues and peers because she seemed to be confirming their own bigotries and prejudices.

She and her friends pumped poisonous toxins into post-2016 Britain, from a position of considerable privilege and with some serious financial backing of their own. Now, when Cadwalladr has to stand up just one of her claims in court it turns out – as some of us guessed all along – that she cannot. She never had the evidence to justify her attacks on Banks or the British public.

A decade ago Cadwalladr’s predecessor Johann Hari was forced to hand back the Orwell Prize for journalism after being found to be dishonest in his reporting. Perhaps this year Cadwalladr could do the decent thing and voluntarily hand back her award as well. Her behaviour has in fact been far more damaging to this country and the journalistic trade than Hari’s ever was.

It is one thing if a newspaper wants to continue to publish the unsubstantiated claims of a conspiracy theorist. It is quite another that a distinguished award for journalism should continue to encourage such behaviour."
That's identical with what happened to Trump with the faked Russian collusion hoax that was on an even larger scale. The Journalists got their Pulitzer prizes. After the story has been completely debunked, not one has volunteered to give back their award.
 
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That's identical with what happened to Trump with the faked Russian collusion hoax that was on an even larger scale. The Journalists got their Pulitzer prizes. After the story has been completely debunked, not one has volunteered to give back their award.
if it's a hoax, why Trump pardoned Gen. Flynn?
If the stories she wrote about his business dealings with Russian companies don't have any legs, why didn't Banks take Cadwalladr, the Observer and the Guardian to Court about them?
 
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if it's a hoax, why Trump pardoned Gen. Flynn?
If the stories she wrote about his business dealings with Russian companies don't have any legs, why didn't Banks take Cadwalladr, the Observer and the Guardian to Court about them?
I came across a wrinkle in that American pardon story. Apparently by accepting a pardon, whether innocent or not, the person is accepting guilty. OK simple ... But that means they cannot then plead the US's 5 th Amendment , so can be questioned under oath as a witness , and failure to answer is then contempt of court . The implication being that Trump cannot silence Flynn . Flynn cannot be punished , except if he refuses to testify, and if he lies, then he gets prison for perjury. Petard hoisting!.
 

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if it's a hoax, why Trump pardoned Gen. Flynn?
If the stories she wrote about his business dealings with Russian companies don't have any legs, why didn't Banks take Cadwalladr, the Observer and the Guardian to Court about them?
That's a good question. After evidence was released from the FBI that showed that the they had hatched a plot to trap him, the Department of Justice and prosecution dropped all charges against him and asked the Judge to dismiss the case; however, for reasons unknown, the judge refused to dismiss the case and appointed his own prosecutor. Since then the case has dragged on and on at huge public expense and expense that has bankrupted Flynn.

Remember that John Durham has been investigating this for nearly two years, so the DOJ have much more info about the case than what's in public at the moment. Presumably, they ordered the judge to drop the case because their info shows that that's the right thing to do.

Many concluded that Flynn's persecution was political.

There's a whole story behind why the Obama side needed Flynn out of the way, which hinges around dodgy dealings in the middle east.

Others think that the Obama team were using Flynn to bolster their fake narrative about Russian collusion by claiming that his call was part of the collusion, but the call was setup by them when they expelled a whole load of Russian Diplomats while Flynn was abroad, knowing that the Russians (Kislyak) would call him to find out what was going on. Flynn being not in the USA, took away one of his protected rights to privacy, so the FBI could then question him about it. When you put everything together: the expulsion, Flynn being on holiday, the unofficial meeting with him and the published notes from the FBI agent, which showed that they were on a mission to trap him, it stinks. My opinion is that their plan was to conveniently kill two birds with one stone.

Here's the FBI agent's actual note from the meeting where they planned to trap Flynn. It's pretty conclusive. This document and many others were withheld (sealed) by the FBI until after the Mueller enquiry. It took several attempts of special court orders to unseal them. They're still withholding a lot more:
 
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There's a whole story behind why the Obama side needed Flynn out of the way, which hinges around dodgy dealings in the middle east.
the Mueller Report demonstrated how Russian agents attacked Hilary Clinton.
Whether Trump's aides like Flynn colluded with Russian agents, we don't know yet but I remember clearly that Trump went on TV asking hackers in the whole world to help him.
Only Trump could do such a thing.

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The investigation was officially concluded on March 22, 2019, with the Mueller Report submitted to Attorney General William Barr.[15] Barr had been critical of the investigation before he became Attorney General. A redacted version of the report was released to the public on April 18, 2019. The report concluded that the Internet Research Agency's social media campaign supported Trump's presidential candidacy while attacking Clinton's, and Russian intelligence hacked and released damaging material from the Clinton campaign and various Democratic Party organizations.[16] The investigation "identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump campaign", and determined that the Trump campaign "expected it would benefit electorally" from Russian hacking efforts. However, ultimately "the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities".[17][18][19] The evidence was not necessarily complete due to encrypted, deleted, or unsaved communications as well as false, incomplete, or declined testimony.[20][21] Mueller later said that the investigation's conclusion on Russian interference "deserves the attention of every American".[22]

On potential obstruction of justice by President Trump, the investigation "does not conclude that the President committed a crime",[23] as investigators would not indict a sitting president per an Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) opinion, and would not accuse him of a crime when he cannot clear his name in court.[24][25] However, the investigation "also does not exonerate" Trump, finding both public and private actions "by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations".[26] Ten episodes of potential obstruction by the president were described.[27][28] The report states that Congress can decide whether Trump obstructed justice,[29] and has the authority to take action against him.[30][31][32
 
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Someone asked the question online recently what would happen if Joe Biden when taking the oath in Jan were to keel over and snuff it. The answer was Kamala Harris would be President and would serve the full term of four years.
Now if they find that hidden truck with all those Trump votes in the back the Dems still win, if Hunter Biden's hard drive has images of naked construction workers in Ethiopia on it the Dems still win and if the Kraken turns out to be an American breakfast cereal it's a win for Biden yet again.
Should a conspiracy of Biblical proportions be discovered to get Biden into office he would STILL get sworn in on that day, nothing can stop it.
Now back to reality... what's happening about Trump's deliberate attempt to interfere with the election by blocking or removing postal voting boxes, that's not a conspiracy theory it really did go on.
Remember as Trump keeps reminding everyone all this has happened under his watch.
 

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That's a really unintelligent answer.
Here's an intelligent one right up your street:

TV Program, 3rd December, 7.30pm, PBS Channel, Freeview 91:

United States of Conspiracy

Examining how trafficking in conspiracy theories went from the fringes of American politics into the White House.
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I must admit I do like a good conspiracy theory JFK, Lady Di, Moon landings and so on. My reasoning is if you take enough of them then surely at least one must have some credence.
 
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I must admit I do like a good conspiracy theory JFK, Lady Di, Moon landings and so on. My reasoning is if you take enough of them then surely at least one must have some credence.
Hushing up of thermonuclear weapons something like 10,000 years ago in, roughly, Pakistan?

Hiding of pictures of the Large Hadron Collider in ancient Sanskrit texts?

Gigantic ultra-secret USA military aircraft with lots of lights on them so everyone can see them?

And those are just some of this week's amazing conspiracy theories.
 
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the Mueller Report demonstrated how Russian agents attacked Hilary Clinton.
Whether Trump's aides like Flynn colluded with Russian agents, we don't know yet but I remember clearly that Trump went on TV asking hackers in the whole world to help him.
Only Trump could do such a thing.

QUOTE from wiki:

The investigation was officially concluded on March 22, 2019, with the Mueller Report submitted to Attorney General William Barr.[15] Barr had been critical of the investigation before he became Attorney General. A redacted version of the report was released to the public on April 18, 2019. The report concluded that the Internet Research Agency's social media campaign supported Trump's presidential candidacy while attacking Clinton's, and Russian intelligence hacked and released damaging material from the Clinton campaign and various Democratic Party organizations.[16] The investigation "identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump campaign", and determined that the Trump campaign "expected it would benefit electorally" from Russian hacking efforts. However, ultimately "the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities".[17][18][19] The evidence was not necessarily complete due to encrypted, deleted, or unsaved communications as well as false, incomplete, or declined testimony.[20][21] Mueller later said that the investigation's conclusion on Russian interference "deserves the attention of every American".[22]

On potential obstruction of justice by President Trump, the investigation "does not conclude that the President committed a crime",[23] as investigators would not indict a sitting president per an Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) opinion, and would not accuse him of a crime when he cannot clear his name in court.[24][25] However, the investigation "also does not exonerate" Trump, finding both public and private actions "by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations".[26] Ten episodes of potential obstruction by the president were described.[27][28] The report states that Congress can decide whether Trump obstructed justice,[29] and has the authority to take action against him.[30][31][32
Don't believe anything you read on Wiki. It's just propaganda these days. Here's Nancy Pelosi explaining how it works:

During the Senate impeachment hearing, all the guys that were on TV every night saying that they had seen evidence of Russian collusion were dragged in and had to swear under oath whether they had any tangible information about collusion. They all said no!

Hillary Clinton's illegal private server was hacked. Russians have always been good at hacking. They've probably had a go at hacking your shop's computer. Does that make Wisper or Juicy guilty of Russian collusion?
 

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I'm a computer hacker I've been doing it for more years than I would care to say, I've even been paid to do it but I'm not Russian and I haven't broken the law either. BTW there's no such thing as an illegal server just as there's no such thing as an illegal 2000w ebike.
 

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Hillary Clinton's illegal private server was hacked. Russians have always been good at hacking. They've probably had a go at hacking your shop's computer. Does that make Wisper or Juicy guilty of Russian collusion?
Hilary Clinton's private mail server was legal, but she should have stopped using it when she became Sec. of State. Before her, that wasn't an issue but by the time she became Sec. of State, the law has changed.
What was tragic is one candidate went on TV asking hackers of the world to hack his rival's emails and got voted to be president of the USA.
I doubt that Russian hackers would be interested in my mail but if someone hacked into my mail, I only have myself to blame because I accepted the terms of use of my low cost ISP. I should have gone to Office 365.

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On June 14, 2018, the Department of Justice's Office of the Inspector General released its report on the FBI's and DOJ's handling of Clinton's investigation, finding no evidence of political bias and lending support for the decision to not prosecute Clinton.[11] A three-year State Department investigation concluded in September 2019 that 38 individuals were "culpable" in 91 instances of sending classified information that reached Clinton's email account, though it found "no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information".[12] In October 2020, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said he would release unspecified Clinton emails.[13]
 
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