Brexit, for once some facts.

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And it is being reported in the Guardian right now.

Rudy Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, continued to peddle baseless claims of election fraud at a press conference in Washington.

Giuliani claimed the hand recount in Georgia, which is expected to conclude today, would not be legitimate because officials were simply recounting fraudulent ballots. (There is no evidence of fraudulent ballots being counted.)

The former New York mayor also insisted it was statistically impossible for Joe Biden to have pulled ahead in key battleground states like Michigan and Pennsylvania when he was trailing on election night.

Biden pulled ahead of Donald Trump after those states counted more valid ballots. He has been named the winner of those states and the winner of the presidential election overall.
 
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vfr...shouldn't we be discussing real conspiracy theories like why did Trump's Gov conspire with various authorities to shut down - lock up - move voting postal boxes in leading Democratic areas with a high percentage of black voters.
Why were voting stations placed miles (over 20 in one case) from citizens that needed to use them but had no transport to get there.
Why when/if black voters arrived at stations were they kept waiting in long queues for many hours, in some cases some actually took tents and were forced to camp out all night.

Now I'm on a roll, didn't Trump during the 2016 election campaign conspire with various authorities in accusing Hillary Clinton of being "crooked" and using her email acc to send messages to what could be seen as enemy agents of the US. She was of course cleared of any wrong doing but it would have affected her chances of being elected even though she won the peoples vote.
I could go on and on, these are real conspiracies not a Memory stick that some nitwit forgot to stick in a USB slot.
That was all debunked ages ago.

It's a fact that Hilary Clinton deleted or had deleted approximately 30,000 emails from a private server that was illegal to use in the circumstances. The only question was what was in those emails and why she was using the server.

She wasn't cleared of anything. The crooked and disgraced Comey, who will likely go to jail if Trump is re-elected, against all precedents dropped the investigation because he said that she hadn't done the criminal activity with criminal intent. Comey said in his 2018 book "A Higher Loyalty" that his decision may have been unconsciously influenced by the fact that he thought it extremely likely that Clinton would become the next president - yeah, unconsciously, my giddy aunt. Of course it all backfired on him when Trump became the President. That was what the Russian Collusion hoax and impeachment was all about.

I think you need to do some proper research. This is what the election fraud is all about. If Trump wins, all these swamp creatures are going to get their comeuppance. I don't know why you support them. All they've done all their lives is rip off guys like you. Now it's over here, you're going to see it bigtime.
 
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There's a difference between a growth fund and interest on cash. Also, you have no profit at all from those type of investments, or in fact any investment, until you cash in. Up to the point of cashing in, it's a dead loss! Think about what happened in Venezuela when their currency collapsed: You could take all your money out of your managed trust fund, put it in a wheelbarrow and go and buy a loaf of bread.

I've been investing in property for the last 20 years. During that time, the capital growth has been around 10% p.a. and I've had around 12% cash per year, so around 22% in total. The cash is real profit. I can only realise the capital profit if I sell, but I probably never will.

I've also done quite well in self-managed equities. It's hard to figure out how a rank amateur got around 20% annual growth, while as all the knowhow and insider dealings of the experts in RBS could only get -0.5% in the same time period with the same amount invested. That's when I realised that something crooked was going on in banking. Over 20 years, I've averaged about 8% growth in equities. Since 2002, I put in £12K, I've had £24K out in cash and my portfolio is still worth £17k.
8% a year over a long period is very good.

Except I'd say if you put £12K in - in 2002 at monthly compound interest over 18 years that comes out at a total of £50,406 which if you took out £24K then that would leave you with £26,406. So I guess you must have taken that out a few years back now. It's still a good return.
 

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Watching Live and rambling Rudy is melting! His hair dye is dribbling down his face faster than he can wipe it off :eek:

Phew thankfully they pulled him away from the microphone - now a Leopard woman is saying that they have eye witnesses that Hugo Chavez (1954-2013) was seen fixing the election in cahoots with Dominion & Antifa o_O

All very Salvador Dali....
 
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Great idea. What if the police are the ones threatening you or they're the closest friends of those threatening you?

While on the subject of police, i think 20 years ago, most UK citizens would have said that our police were very fair and you could rely on them to sort out your problems.

There seems to be a completely different picture today. If you call the police because you've been burgled, nobody comes. If you call someone a bloke who thinks he's a woman a bloke on Twitter, they come en masse, knock down your door, handcuff you, take you away from your screaming kids and lock you up. If your name is Tommy Robinson and you decide to take someone a box of chocolates, 100 policemen materialise, handcuff you and lock you up for possession of the chocolates. Whilst London becomes the stabbing capital of the world, the mayor puts all his funding into investigating "hate" crimes.

When you look at The Great Reset agenda and assume that the police are signed up and working to it, everything makes sense. In that case, you can see what they mean by "hate" crimes.
Such childish nonsense !!!
 
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Watching Live and rambling Rudy is melting! His hair dye is dribbling down his face faster than he can wipe it off :eek:
Spare yourself - it is not compulsory for you to watch. I worry about the effect it might have on your health. :)

Your description immediately reminded me of Death in Venice.
 
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8% a year over a long period is very good.
Yes it is but if he had invested in a Vanguard US Equity Index tracker in 2009 ten years later it would have returned an amazing 16.3% annualized. Now if he did not want to put all his money in to the US market he could instead have opted for a cap weighted world tracker. From 2009 to 2019 the iShares MSCI World ETF returned a fantastic 12.1% annualised growth rate.

There is no skill or massive research required to invest in index trackers, you don't need to look over company accounts and carry out hours and hours of fundamental analysis. Just choose a cheap on line broker (I use Iweb) its no frills, costs £5 to buy or sell, no on going charge. Unlike active funds index tracking funds have extremely cheap on going charges which is why most actively managed funds cant usually beat them (over the long term).

More information can be found on this link.
 
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That was all debunked ages ago.

It's a fact that Hilary Clinton deleted or had deleted approximately 30,000 emails from a private server that was illegal to use in the circumstances. The only question was what was in those emails and why she was using the server.

She wasn't cleared of anything. The crooked and disgraced Comey, who will likely go to jail if Trump is re-elected, against all precedents, dropped the investigation because he said that she hadn't done the criminal activity with criminal intent. Comey said in his 2018 book "A Higher Loyalty" that his decision may have been unconsciously influenced by the fact that he thought it extremely likely that Clinton would become the next president - yeah, unconsciously, my giddy aunt. Of course it all backfired on him when Trump became the President. That was what the Russian Collusion hoax and impeachment was all about.

I think you need to do some proper research. This is what the election fraud is all about. If Trump wins, all these swamp creatures are going to get their comeuppance. I don't know why you support them. All they've done all their lives is rip off guys like you. Now it's over here, you're going to see it bigtime.
No, "Crooked Hilary" did nothing wrong that's why she was cleared, there was nothing to debunk as there was nothing there in the first place. She was the most popular candidate like her or not but didn't win mores the pity.
I'm not interested what the mass media say or are saying , I have a mind of my own which leaves me free to reason and to reach a conclusion without outside interference. Clinton was cheated out of winning, end of.

Now as for this election....Trump this time lost the election because he didn't take the advice he was given which was "keep your mouth shut" all those mega (or was it MAGA) rallies were very impressive, but who was he preaching to ? as with all rallies the converted that's who, so instead of saying what he intended to change and do better he came out with "all the Biden family are crooks" seriously now vfr who is that going to win over to his argument....who is swayed in favour of republicans with comments like that. Biden on the other hand kept it low key although Obama couldn't resist sticking the boot in when he spoke which imo clinched the election for the Democrats. Trump tried to interfere with the US electoral process and it failed so he has himself to blame, I'm deleted he lost the election, very pleased indeed so should the whole world be.
 

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Dear Priti,

You were naughty.

Weren't you?

Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
By Laura Kuenssberg
BBC political editor

Published
35 minutes ago
A draft report concluded in the summer that Home Secretary Priti Patel had broken rules on ministers' behaviour, sources familiar with the contents say.
The Cabinet Office began an inquiry into her conduct after Sir Philip Rutnam, the most senior Home Office official, resigned in February.
Sir Philip - who is suing for unfair dismissal - alleged that staff felt Ms Patel "created fear" in the department.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55007122
 
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8% a year over a long period is very good.
It's not that difficult. First of all, disregard any shares that are recommended by pundits. Choose companies that have a record of paying good dividends, but think about their present situation and whether there's anything that might upset them in the future. Since as far as you can go back, the FTSE 100 has grown by about 6% p.a. on average. You lose a couple of percent in costs, but you gain 4% or 5% average from dividends. You have o invest long-term. in the long-term it always goes up, but it can be like a game of snakes and ladders in the short term.

Commodities like metals (not steel) are always going to be stable, as are funeral services. If you spread your bets, you get winners and losers, but it averages out to basically follow the FTSE graph, which means 6% minus costs plus dividends.

The costs are really low for a self-administered equities portfolio, and you can have one as an ISA. I use Idealing, but Hargreaves Lansdown also do them and probably a load of others.
 
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No, "Crooked Hilary" did nothing wrong that's why she was cleared, there was nothing to debunk as there was nothing there in the first place. She was the most popular candidate like her or not but didn't win mores the pity.
I'm not interested what the mass media say or are saying , I have a mind of my own which leaves me free to reason and to reach a conclusion without outside interference. Clinton was cheated out of winning, end of.

Now as for this election....Trump this time lost the election because he didn't take the advice he was given which was "keep your mouth shut" all those mega (or was it MAGA) rallies were very impressive, but who was he preaching to ? as with all rallies the converted that's who, so instead of saying what he intended to change and do better he came out with "all the Biden family are crooks" seriously now vfr who is that going to win over to his argument....who is swayed in favour of republicans with comments like that. Biden on the other hand kept it low key although Obama couldn't resist sticking the boot in when he spoke which imo clinched the election for the Democrats. Trump tried to interfere with the US electoral process and it failed so he has himself to blame, I'm deleted he lost the election, very pleased indeed so should the whole world be.
I say again, she wasn't cleared. Dropping the investigation doesn't mean cleared. Have a read of this. Bear in mind that wiki is biased in her favour. Even so, it doesn't paint a very good picture of her. I think I heard a few weeks back that they were going to re-open the investigation into her emails since they proved that the FBI investigators were crooked. This story has a long way to go yet:

It's a fact that Trump hasn't lost the election, as the winner hasn't been declared yet. You're a bit ahead of yourself there. I've got a feeling that in the not too distant future, you'll be writing on here about how you think Trump stole the election.

I think if you had seen what's in the Biden laptop, you'd be saying that the Bidens are crooked too, but you've put your blinkers on because that truth is very uncomfortable for you.

I'm not trying to sway anybody. None of this affects me and I don't have any family, so nobody else to worry about. As I keep saying, I'm just an interested observer. I'm just trying to let you down gently because you're going to be very angry when you realise that you've been had.
 

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Such childish nonsense !!!
I'm wondering about vfr's age too. I know he makes himself out to be in his 50s or so (100 motorbike history etc) - but emotionally I'm getting way way younger than that.

Tough to figure out because he's obviously not (academically) stupid.
 

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Dear Priti,

You were naughty.

Weren't you?

Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
By Laura Kuenssberg
BBC political editor

Published
35 minutes ago
A draft report concluded in the summer that Home Secretary Priti Patel had broken rules on ministers' behaviour, sources familiar with the contents say.
The Cabinet Office began an inquiry into her conduct after Sir Philip Rutnam, the most senior Home Office official, resigned in February.
Sir Philip - who is suing for unfair dismissal - alleged that staff felt Ms Patel "created fear" in the department.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55007122
Stunning woman - love her to bits.
 
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