Brexit, for once some facts.

[Woosh]

Unfortunately wiki is compromised now, and it's no longer a reliable source for the truth.

This is how it works. Authoritative sources (biased newspapers) do a hit-pieces about something. They often co-ordinate with each other. They then use that as the source of truth to make the entries in wiki. In the case of people, they'll dredge through their past to find anything negative they can, and if they can't find anything bad, they'll construct something, like getting someone falsely arrested by getting fake whistle blowers to report them for something they didn't do. They then add that into their character reference.

did you read the wiki page? it's just a list of current cases brought by Trump's lawyers. They didn't take side.
There are plenty that do take side.
Me, I am like you, I follow the stories. I am particularly fascinated by the cat and mouse play, hackers against manufacturers on the subject of those tabulators sold by Dominion Software.

 

[vfr400]

Title 16 - Elections and Electors
§ 16-449 Required test of equipment and programs; notice; procedures manual

The test shall be observed by at least two election inspectors, who shall not be of the same political party, and shall be open to representatives of the political parties, candidates, the press and the public.

Apparently, the tests and certifications weren't done in Arizona. I don't know about other states.

 

[Woosh]

Apparently, the tests and certifications weren't done in Arizona. I don't know about other states.

where was it done then?
I looked at the Arizona certificate of accuracy posted by your friend Tommy Robinson.
It's dated 10/06/2020, signed by 4 people of two different political agencies.

https://image-cdn.parler.com/F/5/F5eTvn8ZJ4.jpeg

more on this story:

Maricopa County GOP chair resigns after skipping election equipment verification test

The tests are open to the public and are performed before and after every election to certify the accuracy of tabulation equipment and voting devices.

eu.azcentral.com

 

[Danidl]

I read somewhere a suggestion that a 'software update' was used to switch a percentage of Trump's votes to Biden's, just enough for Biden to win.
That reminds me of Gus Gorman's get rich quick scheme.

Everything is possible, ..but none of this is probable. Would audit trails not exist for scans taken before and after a software update?. Doing a count is very similar to any QC ed manufacturing process.

 

[Woosh]

the machines are certified and signed off before and after the votes but there should not be any 'software update' without re-certification during the vote.
So when one of their service engineers turning up, there is bound to be suspicion of tampering. I am pretty sure that the engineer will check before leaving but I reckon they will have to do a manual count at the station where the complaint was made.

 

[Wicky]

This election is looking more like a theft conspiracy orchestrated by Left Wing, Anarchy, Racist, BLM, BAME & Nazi groups. BLM have already broken cover. It’s disgusting. It won’t be long before other terrorist organisations follow suit.

Bit tricky even for Trump to round up the 78m Biden voters into internment camps and interrogate them all for 'suspicious' voting...

Trump's problem is that I'm sure he thought he would win by 5m votes and can't get it through his stubborn noggin that folk would vote for the other bloke esp. after the coordinated disinfo and voter suppression campaigns. As shown he's bleated about it often enough. In 2016 it was the immigrants that were his favoured scapegoat

Reality Check: Did millions vote illegally in the US?

President Trump claims that he would have won the popular vote had it not been for fraud. Is he right?

www.bbc.co.uk

25 January 2017
The claim: Donald Trump would have won the popular vote in last year's US presidential election had it not been for people voting illegally.
Reality Check verdict: There is no evidence to support the assertion that at least 2.86 million people voted illegally.
White House press secretary Sean Spicer confirmed on Tuesday that President Donald Trump stands by his concerns about illegal voting.
The disclosure came after the president was reported to have claimed in a closed meeting on Monday that between three and five million unauthorised immigrants had voted for Hillary Clinton.

 

[Danidl]

Title 16 - Elections and Electors
§ 16-449 Required test of equipment and programs; notice; procedures manual

The test shall be observed by at least two election inspectors, who shall not be of the same political party, and shall be open to representatives of the political parties, candidates, the press and the public.

Apparently, the tests and certifications weren't done in Arizona. I don't know about other states.

Vfr ..this is just" whack a mole" again and again ,and is getting very tiresome. You continue to post unverified or incorrect information again and again, and people need to check it up. Just because one is paranoid does not mean that that people are not out to get one, is true but please a little bit of fact checking first.
The current state of play is that unless there was a massive coordinated campaign conspiracy by 50% of the US establishment to subvert this election, there just isn't any case to answer.
My take is that the civil servants employed at States level were so frightened by the potential this time around of Russian interference ,that THEY WERE PARANOID and made every possible effort to ensure the race was clean. Like everyone else they were blindsided by the CV19 bombshell, and sought to make postal ballots more palatable. In some cases the extension of voting duration and verification of voters was beyond that mandated by their legislation,and that is the majority of current legal challenges.

 

[Woosh]

you are wicked @Wicky

 

[Woosh]

Vfr ..this is just" whack a mole" again and again ,and is getting very tiresome. You continue to post unverified or incorrect information again and again, and people need to check it up.

he does bring some counter balance to our group of (predominantly) political correct old folks. Also, his posts are more interesting than some.
I really don't mind doing the fact checking.

 

[vfr400]

After the decision to do the recount in Georgia, you would have thought that they'd do everything possible to make sure it was fair and that there would be no more complaints afterwards. Sadly, that doesn't seem to be the case:

https://gagop.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Deficiency_Letter_1_.pdf

 

[wheeler]

Thank goodness Scotland have qualified for the Euros. That’s made England’s task much easier. Cheers.

Always happy to help our arrogant southern neighbour.

 

[vfr400]

the machines are certified and signed off before and after the votes but there should not be any 'software update' without re-certification during the vote.
So when one of their service engineers turning up, there is bound to be suspicion of tampering. I am pretty sure that the engineer will check before leaving but I reckon they will have to do a manual count at the station where the complaint was made.

There are various Youtube videos showing that you don't need to be a service engineer to tamper with the machines. 2 minutes and a ball-pen is all you need to get admin access. Don't forget that some of the major counts were stopped for various spurious reasons and everyone was sent away, then they mysteriously started counting again an hour later.

This seems a bit far-fetched to me, but I don't discount it completely because at least it's logical. Some are saying that the Trump side knew that there would be fraud in the counting, so his plan was to let them get on with it, then expose it afterwards. There have been many articles in the past about how vulnerable these machines are, but nothing has been done apart from some weird executive order 2 years ago about remedies if the fraud is found or suspected.

 

[Woosh]

There are various Youtube videos showing that you don't need to be a service engineer to tamper with the machines. 2 minutes and a ball-pen is all you need to get admin access.

you get into the login screen but still need the root/sudoers or admin credentials though.
I suspect that it's not Admin1234!

 

[vfr400]

Vfr ..this is just" whack a mole" again and again ,and is getting very tiresome. You continue to post unverified or incorrect information again and again, and people need to check it up. Just because one is paranoid does not mean that that people are not out to get one, is true but please a little bit of fact checking first.
The current state of play is that unless there was a massive coordinated campaign conspiracy by 50% of the US establishment to subvert this election, there just isn't any case to answer.
My take is that the civil servants employed at States level were so frightened by the potential this time around of Russian interference ,that THEY WERE PARANOID and made every possible effort to ensure the race was clean. Like everyone else they were blindsided by the CV19 bombshell, and sought to make postal ballots more palatable. In some cases the extension of voting duration and verification of voters was beyond that mandated by their legislation,and that is the majority of current legal challenges.

The difference between me and you is that I'm not partisan. I don't care who wins, which gives me the chance to do two things. Firstly, I can look at the information and weigh it up rationally and logically. Secondly, I can put stuff in front of you and know it's going to make you go nuts. That's quite entertaining.

 

[vfr400]

you get into the login screen but still need the root/sudoers or admin credentials though.
I suspect that it's not Admin1234!

Hmmm! You're probably right. I'd go for ADMIN or admin. The password, whatever it is, could easily be given to whoever they wanted. That's no security.

The problem is that everything about the machines and the company Dominion seems to be dodgy. There are said to be links to dirty money from Cuba and Venezuela plus links to the democratic party. It all looks dodgy to me. A proper audit is the only way to find out. They only have to do a few sample constituencies or whatever they call them. The problem is that in the places where the most dodgy dealings are reported, they mysteriously didn't keep the scans, even though they have to by law. Why wouldn't they keep them? Without the scans, there's nothing to audit.

 

[Danidl]

Just a reminder of what it means to sign an affidavit. It's not like an interview with a newspaper reporter. You do it under the penalty of going to jail for a long time if you were found to be intentionally not telling the truth.

Exactly... She can state exactly everything in my list and cannot be accused of lieing.

 

[Danidl]

Hmmm! You're probably right. I'd go for ADMIN or admin. The password, whatever it is, could easily be given to whoever they wanted. That's no security.

The problem is that everything about the machines and the company Dominion seems to be dodgy. There are said to be links to dirty money from Cuba and Venezuela plus links to the democratic party. It all looks dodgy to me. A proper audit is the only way to find out. They only have to do a few sample constituencies or whatever they call them. The problem is that in the places where the most dodgy dealings are reported, they mysteriously didn't keep the scans, even though they have to by law. Why wouldn't they keep them? Without the scans, there's nothing to audit.

How do you know that the scans have not been kept? In addition one of those scanners also makes a thumbprint photo of each image scanned..at least their website says so.
Who says there are links to Cuba.. please don't do coy now.

 

[Danidl]

The difference between me and you is that I'm not partisan. I don't care who wins, which gives me the chance to do two things. Firstly, I can look at the information and weigh it up rationally and logically. Secondly, I can put stuff in front of you and know it's going to make you go nuts. That's quite entertaining.

Yes I actually do care. Not for Biden on any personal level, but the levels of corruption and ineptitude of the Trump Administration have damaged the entire Western World.
I do however wish that the Democrats had picked someone maybe 20 years younger. And indeed I do wish the GoP had rediscovered their principles.
But now let's back up a stage, and identify any of the responses, I have given which are not rational or logical.

 

[flecc]

Thank goodness Scotland have qualified for the Euros. That’s made England’s task much easier. Cheers.

And they took the knee before kickoff.

Unusually their referee didn't though.
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[Danidl]

There are various Youtube videos showing that you don't need to be a service engineer to tamper with the machines. 2 minutes and a ball-pen is all you need to get admin access. Don't forget that some of the major counts were stopped for various spurious reasons and everyone was sent away, then they mysteriously started counting again an hour later.

This seems a bit far-fetched to me, but I don't discount it completely because at least it's logical. Some are saying that the Trump side knew that there would be fraud in the counting, so his plan was to let them get on with it, then expose it afterwards. There have been many articles in the past about how vulnerable these machines are, but nothing has been done apart from some weird executive order 2 years ago about remedies if the fraud is found or suspected.

Yes we did see that video at a TRADE show. Where it would presumably be opened up by Trade reps showing its features. I expect that the ones in operation would have minimal vandal protection .. like tamper proof screw heads.. We all know they can be opened with the correct tool, but there are multiple options and it takes time.
Again your statements about mysterious locking out of everyone.. Including the police?. In which affidavits is this listed?. And please for a rational logical reasoning person, quit using the Trump meme of "some people"

So counter narrative.
1. Trump voted by postal ballot. Encouraging others to do the same ..For some reason US people follow their Presidents lead.
2. For 18 months he had been spancilling the USPS , restricting money etc. Reducing its capacity
3. In the period of early voting many counties in States reduced the availability of postal boxes . Supposition is that the restrictions were demographic related ,with Republican Governors ,reducing access in Democratic areas. There are numerous complaints about this. I have not picked up any complaints in the reverse...but that can be biass on my part.
4. The President ,a candidate in the Election, demanded that counts be stopped During the process?... In certain states only . Why?.

Conclusion .. Trump attempting to Steal the election.