Brexit, for once some facts.

[sjpt]

People could vote in person on the day and mail a vote later that same day.

If I remember right, a few weeks ago that's exactly what Trump was asking his supporters to do.

UK certainly has checks for that. If you have a postal vote that fact will be recorded on the register they have at the polls. If you still want to vote in person you need to put your postal vote in at the voting station.

Also, I think there are various numbers recorded that means a check could (with some difficulty) be made after the event. That poses a theoretical risk that it can be found out who somebody voted for, but it is difficult enough and involves enough different people/records that it doesn't pose a serious risk.

I don't know how it works in the US, especially in places they mailed out postal votes even without people asking.

 

[OxygenJames]

Have the cross checks been completed properly and evenly? Why the window coverings, why the reluctance to cooperate with observers?

Just sayin’

More like just grasping at straws.

Barry is showing the classic signs of somebody who has a belief (the election was a fraud) - and now seeks out and clings onto any evidence or unanswered questions that might support him in that belief.

aka OG and his belief that the Russians made us vote Brexit. Barry check out some of OGs old posts - he was convinced this was the case - probably still is.

btw - to the rest of us - it's pretty much impossible to change somebody's mind once they go down this route because they dig in so deep there's no way for them to save face (if they change their minds) - the only way to save face is to double down again and again - or leave (I've a feeling Nigel and VFR use this strategy - they come on here posting complete nonsense then when they're confronted they slink off either never to return or at least long enough so when they come back they think the rest of us have forgotten).

So expect Barry to continue down this road - probably forever - he'll end up like Trump - in years to come repeating the mantra that the election was a fraud and he never really lost.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

I see another U-turn:

Marcus Rashford: PM climbdown over free meals in school holidays
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-54841316

Three cheers for the multimillion pound footballer. He’s saved all the children from starvation.

Remember, in the words of the spectacular Whitney Houston, “ I believe the children are our future” Therefore it must be so.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

More like just grasping at straws.

Barry is showing the classic signs of somebody who has a belief (the election was a fraud) - and now seeks out and clings onto any evidence or unanswered questions that might support him in that belief.

aka OG and his belief that the Russians made us vote Brexit. Barry check out some of OGs old posts - he was convinced this was the case - probably still is.

btw - to the rest of us - it's pretty much impossible to change somebody's mind once they go down this route because they dig in so deep there's no way for them to save face (if they change their minds) - the only way to save face is to double down again and again - or leave (I've a feeling Nigel and VFR use this strategy - they come on here posting complete nonsense then when they're confronted they slink off either never to return or at least long enough so when they come back they think the rest of us have forgotten).

So expect Barry to continue down this road - probably forever - he'll end up like Trump - in years to come repeating the mantra that the election was a fraud and he never really lost.

I’ll never believe this election result. Never! Never I tells ya!

 

[Woosh]

I don't know how it works in the US, especially in places they mailed out postal votes even without people asking.

each vote is placed inside a security envelope.
That security envelope must have the voter's signature.
The envelope has also computer readable markings to identify the voter and enables signature comparison.
If that person also votes in person, their voting record is flagged at check in.
So double voting is nigh impossible.
That does not stop canvassers buying the mail-in ballot papers and envelopes.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

each vote is placed inside a security envelope.
That security envelope must have the voter's signature.
The envelope has also computer readable markings to identify the voter and enables signature comparison.
If that person also votes in person, their voting record is flagged at check in.
So double voting is nigh impossible.
That does not stop canvassers buying the mail-in ballot papers and envelopes.

What happens if the someone votes for Biden in person at 11:00 am and then sticks another vote for him in the post at 1:00 pm, which can happen. As long as it’s postmarked on or before Election Day. That would account for the delayed surge in votes.

What about all those postal votes sent to dead people?

I’m just puttin’ it out there.

 

[SirNigel]

A clear and highly accurate summary on the election fraud from Archbishop Vigano, well said senor!


Archbishop Viganò: We’re Witnessing “Colossal Electoral Fraud,” Pray That We Defeat the Enemy

• Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò has written another letter exhorting the American faithful to pray for the country and the defeat of Satan and his works.
• In truth, for months now we have been witnessing a continuous trickle of staggered news, of manipulated or censored information, of crimes that have been silenced or covered up in the face of striking evidence and irrefutable testimony. We have seen the deep state organize itself, well in advance, to carry out the most colossal electoral fraud in history, in order to ensure the defeat of the man who has strenuously opposed the establishment of the New World Order that is wanted by the children of darkness. In this battle, you have not failed, as is your sacred duty, to make your own contribution by taking the side of the Good. Others, enslaved by vices or blinded by infernal hatred against Our Lord, have taken the side of Evil.
  

  Do not think that the children of darkness act with honesty, and do not be scandalized if they operate with deception. Do you perhaps believe that Satan’s followers are honest, sincere, and loyal? The Lord has warned us against the Devil: “He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks in character, because he is a liar and the father of lies” (Jn 8:44).
  In these hours, while the gates of Hell seem to prevail, allow me to address myself to you with an appeal, which I trust that you will respond to promptly and with generosity. I ask you to make an act of trust in God, an act of humility and filial devotion to The Lord of Armies. I ask that all of you pray the Holy Rosary, if possible in your families or with your dear ones, your friends, your brothers and sisters, your colleagues, your fellow soldiers. Pray with the abandonment of children who know how to have recourse to their Most Holy Mother to ask her to intercede before the throne of the Divine Majesty. Pray with a sincere soul, with a pure heart, in the certainty of being heard and answered. Ask her – she who is the Help of Christians, Auxilium Christianorum – to defeat the forces of the Enemy; ask her – she who is terrible as an army set in battle array (Song 6:10) – to grant the victory to the forces of Good and to inflict a humiliating defeat on the forces of Evil.

  
  Viganò, despite being Italian, has kept a close eye on US political developments and written much about them. He recognizes that Donald Trump has been fighting “against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world,” to quote St. Paul. In other words, Trump is engaging in a spiritual battle against the children of darkness who cherish, uphold, and benefit from the globalist political order. And that’s why they are so vehement in their opposition to him.
  
  
  Big League Politics has published articles about some of Archbishop Viganò’s letters before. In a letter from one week ago he warned of the encroaching dangers of globalism and the “Great Reset”:
  
  

 

[oyster]

What happens if the someone votes for Biden in person at 11:00 am and then sticks another vote for him in the post at 1:00 pm, which can happen. As long as it’s postmarked on or before Election Day. That would account for the delayed surge in votes.

What about all those postal votes sent to dead people?

I’m just puttin’ it out there.

Why does the time of voting matter?

So long as mail-in votes by people who have voted in person are identified and rejected, the time of the mail-in is irrelevant.

It is just possible the someone checks for aliveness as well, though I don't know the details.

 

[SirNigel]

Well well well ,
Dominion Software are in charge of the counting, would that be the same company that Pelosi`s aide along with other Dem activists work for?? !!
Not surprising that a software provider of electoral counting systems has connections to politicos.

 

[Woosh]

What happens if the someone votes for Biden in person at 11:00 am and then sticks another vote for him in the post at 1:00 pm, which can happen. As long as it’s postmarked on or before Election Day.

The postmark is generally not a problem, ballots are delivered by USPS so they are pretty much foolproof.
the machine will flag any security envelope that the person has voted in person, so his mail-in vote is discarded.
Whether he/she is going to be prosecuted is a different matter.

What about all those postal votes sent to dead people?

the thief does not know the person's signature so the machine will stop the security envelope if the signature on the security envelope is significantly different from that on file.
A clerk will then ring the voter to have his/her confirmation.
Like here, the electoral register is updated every few years with people moving house, births and deaths etc.

 

[Woosh]

Well well well ,
Dominion Software are in charge of the counting, would that be the same company that Pelosi`s aide along with other Dem activists work for?? !!
Not surprising that a software provider of electoral counting systems has connections to politicos.

you can't believe stuff like that.
It's more likely that the governing party will pass laws to restrict or prevent groups of opposition voters to participate or change the voting system like from first pass the post to PR or vice versa.

 

[Danidl]

What’s stopping them voting twice if they receive a postal vote by default? People could vote in person on the day and mail a vote later that same day. Why aren’t those checks being conducted and why were observers actively frustrated in their attempts to carry out such work?

THEY WERE ..which is why there is a delay in processing Postal votes. Checking takes time.
Have you ever attended a counting session?. Watching paint drying has a deeper attraction. Remember the ballots are private, and partisan party workers need to be at a distance where they can observe than new boxes do not magically appear, but not close enough to identify the ballot.
You are becoming your nickname.. spewing .
Regarding unsolicited ballot papers .. I got sent totally unsolicited kits at 2 year intervals for bowel cancer screening. I could have dumped them in the bin, along with my unsolicited credit card offers or auctioneers cheery notes wanting my property.or SKY TV offers Until I did the needful, signed the paperwork and sent them back,they had no value. They ..the medical board, then do their processing and it gives it value. So it is with votes.

 

[oyster]

Well well well ,
Dominion Software are in charge of the counting, would that be the same company that Pelosi`s aide along with other Dem activists work for?? !!
Not surprising that a software provider of electoral counting systems has connections to politicos.

Just up thread, I posted a vehement denial that there could be any issues with voting in Arizona. By a republican. Which state uses Dominion.

As I have said before, if Dominion is such a problem, how come the Trump administration spent four years NOT doing anything significant about it?

Wouldn't Trump's 2016 win have been even larger if the problem is in the software?

Wouldn't Trump have an interest in ensuring bad systems are not used?

Is it possible the same defective software was used in 2016, but working in the opposite direction, with the result we have seen over the last four years?

Computer System Known To Be Defective Is Tallying Votes

Yes, well! Please show me a computer system known not to be defective. Anywhere. Even just demonstrating that it is possible to have a defect-free system is logically impossible.

 

[SirNigel]

Three cheers for the multimillion pound footballer. He’s saved all the children from starvation.

Remember, in the words of the spectacular Whitney Houston, “ I believe the children are our future” Therefore it must be so.

You think it will go on food?!!
A new iPhone for the little chav plus a bundle of tat from SportsDirect more likely
Oh, and a months supply of fags

 

[oyster]

We still have plenty of distasteful behaviour within our own government:

UK's coronavirus vaccine taskforce chief faces questions over biotech fund

Report claims Kate Bingham’s venture capital firm has invested in companies developing Covid-19 antibody cocktails
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/nov/08/uks-coronavirus-vaccine-taskforce-chief-faces-questions-over-biotech-fund

How can a legal director work at arm's length? Their responsibilities as a director preclude such a long arm.

 

[Wicky]

Sorry, I don’t buy that. Covering up windows and deliberately moving the counting process away from the official observers to a distance where they can’t see what’s going on is suspicious. Where suspicion exists, an investigation must follow.

BS do a modicum of research before posting your inane questions

Police had to remove protestors who's intent was to distrupt the count

Republican and Democrat election monitors were present.

“Oftentimes, we would see one or more Republican watchers go to the table, which they have every right to do,” Nolish said. “But we saw them not respecting the 6-feet rule and then asking questions and interfering with the process."

The Republican challengers got bolder, at one point forming a circle around the tables and clapping and chanting in unison: 'Stop the count! Stop the count!'

The police presence grew. Election officials shut it down.

Shortly after 1 p.m. election officials shut the doors to the absentee ballot counting room and turned away all new challengers, even the ones who had stepped out for a lunch break.

Maddock also scoffed at the COVID-19 rules that required challengers to wear masks or be forced to leave.

'Get to TCF': What really happened inside Detroit's ballot counting center

Over a span of 24 hours, Detroit landed at the epicenter of the historic presidential election. And things got real ugly when Joe Biden took the lead.

eu.freep.com

In summary

 

[SirNigel]

Anyone remember Al Gore?
Whatever happened to Al ?? !!

 

[oyster]

BS do a modicum of research before posting your inane questions

Police had to remove protestors who's intent was to distrupt the count

Republican and Democrat election monitors were present.

“Oftentimes, we would see one or more Republican watchers go to the table, which they have every right to do,” Nolish said. “But we saw them not respecting the 6-feet rule and then asking questions and interfering with the process."

The Republican challengers got bolder, at one point forming a circle around the tables and clapping and chanting in unison: 'Stop the count! Stop the count!'

The police presence grew. Election officials shut it down.

Shortly after 1 p.m. election officials shut the doors to the absentee ballot counting room and turned away all new challengers, even the ones who had stepped out for a lunch break.

Maddock also scoffed at the COVID-19 rules that required challengers to wear masks or be forced to leave.

'Get to TCF': What really happened inside Detroit's ballot counting center

Over a span of 24 hours, Detroit landed at the epicenter of the historic presidential election. And things got real ugly when Joe Biden took the lead.

eu.freep.com

Would they have been as angry had the result been in favour of Trump?

An illegal count is just as illegal whoever is the apparent winner.

 

[oyster]

Anyone remember Al Gore?
Whatever happened to Al ?? !!

We are not all so senile we cannot remember the former VP and presidential candidate.

Are we to believe you are unable to perform an internet search?

OK, I'll believe it.

 

[SirNigel]

I`ve seen better voting systems in North Korea and Moscow